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17:55:55  <rkirsling>lol
17:55:55  <rkirsling>```
17:55:55  <rkirsling>λ eshost -sx "print(new Date('08.10.2023'))"
17:55:55  <rkirsling>#### ch, jsc, sm, xs
17:55:55  <rkirsling>Invalid Date
17:55:55  <rkirsling>#### v8
17:55:55  <rkirsling>Thu Aug 10 2023 00:00:00 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
17:55:56  <rkirsling>```
18:02:13  <Domenic>One day, someone will spec a date parser
18:03:12  <cloudshu>is that star trek time
18:03:39  <cloudshu>what is that called with the decimals, stardate
18:06:30  <rkirsling>cloudshu: yeah, but it looks like it's always one decimal point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardate
18:06:59  <cloudshu>ah
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18:15:40  <annevk>Someone from Mozilla was nearly there with a Date parser spec
18:16:22  * annevkremains hopeful
18:19:44  <efaust>annevk: yeah, it's a crying shame that morgan's work was lost there. She had spent a LOT of effort outlining the intersection behavior.
18:20:18  <efaust>frankly, that's partially my fault. By the time we went looking for it, she had left the company and it had sorta disappeared.
18:21:05  <annevk>I did not realize we lost it, ouch
18:25:35  * efaustcertainly doesn't know where it is, and I don't know if any of the SM people from then that are still around do, either
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18:44:03  <rkirsling>efaust: 😢
19:12:17  <devsnek>`new CivilDateTime(2023, 08, 10)` :)
19:13:11  <devsnek>hmm temporal also has fromString
19:14:30  <ljharb>efaust: it’s not lost; i found a fork of it. It’s on the proposals repo.
19:41:19  <Domenic>Doesn't that 08 actually mean 10
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20:05:43  <efaust>ljharb: wait, really?! \o/
20:15:39  <littledan>I don't think that repo included most of the supporting materials
20:17:10  <ljharb>fair, i'm not sure morgan's repo ever did tho
20:17:23  <ljharb>like i'm not sure the supporting materials ever got posted anywhere accessible - but if they did, what was the url?
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20:24:42  <annevk>ljharb: http://mrrrgn.com/date/ per https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1274354#c1
20:25:09  <annevk>https://github.com/tc39/proposal-date-time-string-format links that too
20:26:45  <annevk>https://github.com/tc39/proposal-uniform-interchange-date-parsing is also interesting; why did all of these get stalled?
20:27:38  <annevk>mathiasbynens: Date.parse > <script srcset> 😛
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20:38:05  <ljharb>annevk: aha, thanks
20:40:36  <annevk>ljharb: efaust: there might not have been too much on that site though: https://web.archive.org/web/20161109002227/http://mrrrgn.com/date/
21:27:13  <efaust>yeah, that was a rehost of whatever she had left laying around, IIRC
21:27:25  <efaust>at some point, there was a beautiful chunk of markdown
21:27:56  <efaust>much of the pain is that someone has to go back, even armed with her analysis and confirm that they're still the actual on-web semantics from various browsers
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22:44:09  <littledan>annevk: Richard Gibson is currently taking up this mantle
22:44:33  <littledan>But he's starting with a less ambitious approach than what Morgan was doing
22:59:00  <littledan>hey, I know some people here had concerns with top-level await. I'm wondering, what if you had to use an `import await` statement when importing a module that contained a top-level `await`? I'm thinking, this might add a little more explicit-ness and make it clear that asynchronous stuff is going on. So the whole feature becomes an opt-in--no change in the semantics or synchronous-ness of your module unless you use `await` or
22:59:01  <littledan>`import await`.
22:59:16  <littledan>(this idea came from Tobias Koppers)
22:59:57  <ljharb>i like the idea, but since using `import await` still makes that module async, it's still got the same virality issues as TLA
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