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17:15:40  <evilpie>somebody should really add some issue guidelines on github to stop people from wasting their time with feature requests
17:17:22  <annevk>Is there a new issue template?
17:17:32  <annevk>Also, good point
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17:50:00  <devsnek>https://github.com/tc39/ecma262/pull/1449 :)
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18:17:50  <evilpie>devsnek++
18:18:41  <devsnek>i just wish that 1 + 1 bug could be fixed
18:20:59  <annevk>jmdyck: is the W3C HTML fork still maintained? I thought they had never interacted with TC39
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18:46:07  <jmdyck>annevk: Well, at https://github.com/w3c/html , the latest commit was a month ago, so I'd say it's still maintained. The Web Platform WG is certainly still chartered to deliver HTML 5.3, among many other things.
18:46:43  <jmdyck>As to their interaction with TC39, I have no idea.
18:48:31  <jmdyck>https://www.w3.org/2017/08/webplatform-charter.html#external-groups says they "may also collaborate with" TC39.
18:50:13  <annevk>jmdyck: anyway, I’m not sure it’s relevant as no impl follows that spec and I wouldn’t wanna ask more of TC39 contributors than actually needed
18:52:56  <jmdyck>do all impls violate the W3C spec?
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19:13:30  <annevk>jmdyck: hard to tell as nobody is using it
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19:37:16  <jmdyck>Interesting. Is that common knowledge?
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19:43:42  <devsnek>i wouldn't consider w3c's html an authoritative source
19:45:04  <devsnek>jmdyck: as far as i'm aware w3c's html is a copypaste from whatwg in order to maintain their charter
19:45:41  <devsnek>domenic would probably know more
19:46:14  <Domenic>jmdyck: the W3C has officially stopped maintaining their HTML fork; they announced it on their blog this morning I believe
19:46:30  <devsnek>hmm that's a fun coincidence
19:46:35  <Domenic>https://www.w3.org/blog/2019/02/w3c-strategic-highlights-strengthening-the-core-of-the-web-html/
19:46:44  <Domenic>It's hidden behind layers of euphemism
19:46:55  <Domenic>"In the recent extension of the Web Platform Working Group, we noted that while the WHATWG and the W3C continue negotiations to provide a single authoritative specification for HTML and DOM, no joint work with the WHATWG would advance on the W3C Recommendation track; we believe that having two distinct HTML and DOM specs claiming to be normative is generally harmful for the community."
19:47:04  <Domenic>"joint work with the WHATWG" = forks of WHATWG work
19:47:28  <devsnek>as far as i'm aware browsers only pay attention to whatwg
19:47:30  <devsnek>so
19:47:32  <devsnek>🤷
19:47:56  <Domenic>Yeah, but I get the sense jmdyck was interested in standards-orgs politics, so I'm spelling that out instead of focusing on reality
19:47:58  <annevk>Oh nice that got clarified
19:48:05  <Domenic>Yeah it's officially out of the charter now
19:48:16  <Domenic>https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2018JulSep/0024.html
19:48:29  <Domenic>lists all the URLs of things that will no longer advance, including https://www.w3.org/TR/html53/
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21:15:46  <jmdyck>Domenic: I actually read that blog post this morning (which is I think what reminded me to ask my question in 1445). The wording you quoted struck me as odd, so I dug into it a bit and came to a different conclusion from you. I'll see if I can find it.
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21:17:06  <devsnek>the blog post is confusing (probably because pr) but the email is pretty clearcut
21:21:00  <jmdyck>Ah right, the msg you linked to (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2018JulSep/0024.html) says that html53 (etc) won't advance along the REC track *during this extension* (i.e., during the extension of the charter to 2018-12-31). So given that that period has passed, I looked for what the charter says *now*, and it seemed to indicate that html 5.3 was still a deliverable.
21:23:15  <jmdyck>Ah, I guess WebPlat was not showing me the current charter.
21:23:44  <jmdyck>Or maybe they were. Hrm.
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21:33:31  <jmdyck>ok, here's the post-2018 extension of the WebPlat charter: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2019JanMar/0012.html
21:33:47  <jmdyck>"The previous recommendation regarding having no REC track advancement for a subset of the documents still applies."
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21:37:41  <jmdyck>So it looks like https://www.w3.org/2017/08/webplatform-charter.html *is* the current charter, and it *does* say that HTML is a deliverable, but that's not the full picture.
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21:45:11  <jmdyck>given what I'
21:47:40  <jmdyck>Given what I've seen so far, it looks to me like the AB said "if we don't reach an agreement with WHATWG, there's a fair chance we'll just abandon those specs, so WebPlat should not expend any energy on them".
21:50:39  <jmdyck>In the latest WebPlat minutes (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2019JanMar/0018.html) one of the WG chairs says "As far as I know we are waiting for W3C to get responses from the browser vendors, or vice versa, on the details of the mooted collaboration agreement"
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22:08:03  <devsnek>https://github.com/patrickhulce/third-party-web
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