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17:06:43  <wycats>Domenic: I remember the huge political scandal when Rails changed its default country picker
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17:33:18  <littledan>CLDR has extremely carefully thought through terminology on all of these things
17:33:54  <littledan>the Intl behavior is proposed in https://github.com/brawer/proposal-intl-displaynames
17:35:00  <littledan>the big data size is the localized list of territory (the neutral name for country) names; it seems cheaper to ship the two-char territory list to clients than all the localized names
17:35:18  <littledan>here in Catalonia, they like to use the word country for the region
17:37:11  <devsnek>we could just do what google does and use the location of the user's machine to decide what version of territories to display
17:37:16  <ljharb>if we refer to taiwan as a country, or *not* as one; or if we refer to palestine as a country, or *not* as one, it will cause problems, and i do not want tc39 to instigate any of those debates.
17:37:27  <ljharb>the location isn't sufficient.
17:37:29  <michaelficarra>littledan: that sounds like a far improved API!
17:37:36  <devsnek>ljharb: was a joke anyway
17:37:46  <ljharb>lol
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17:38:13  <TimothyGu>can we just avoid the term "country" in the API?
17:38:27  <littledan>devsnek: I thought it was a good joke! Yeah, localize the whole UI by IP address
17:38:31  <TimothyGu>most (realistic) people in China wouldn't object to calling Taiwan a region
17:38:45  <devsnek>nameOfGroupOfPeopleWhoThinkTheyHaveSoverignDomain
17:39:04  <ljharb>devsnek: then you'd have to include Quebec, and parts of the south
17:39:08  <ljharb>also Texas
17:39:17  <devsnek>lol
17:39:22  <littledan>TimothyGu: I think that's a good practice, but you'll still want to differentiate between different designations like "Chinese Taipei" and "Taiwan (ROC)"
17:39:24  <littledan>or something like that
17:39:35  <littledan>anyway I believe avoiding "country" is standard practice in this area
17:39:40  <ljharb>👍
17:40:04  <TimothyGu>I thought Chinese Taipei was specifically for Olympics, or at least I don't remember seeing that anywhere else
17:40:07  <devsnek>lets get xi jinping in the skype and see what he thinks
17:40:24  <littledan>(I am not an expert in this area)
17:40:44  <littledan>another multi-name thing is FRYOM/Macedonia, even though everyone agrees it's a country
17:41:22  <michaelficarra>ljharb: anything wrong with using the now-defunct node globals `GLOBAL` or `root`?
17:41:30  <devsnek>how about Intl.Borders
17:41:58  <ljharb>michaelficarra: root doesn't convey what it is imo, but the only issue would be that i'd have to go back and re-get metrics on a new list of alternatives
17:42:22  <michaelficarra>ljharb: apparently it did to someone, since node added it once upon a time
17:42:30  <ljharb>michaelficarra: also `GLOBAL` probably will never work since there's surely code on the web that relies on the absence of GLOBAL to indicate "browser"
17:42:41  <ljharb>actually yeah since that exists in node, same problem
17:42:53  <ljharb>anything that already exists in node is likely to be a web compat issue
17:42:55  <TimothyGu>also should we be using #tc39-delegates
17:42:58  <michaelficarra>ljharb: but were they widely used enough for it to make a difference?
17:43:02  <ljharb>yes, we should, ty
17:43:05  <aki_>eh
17:43:16  <michaelficarra>meh, not if we decide not to go with them lol
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21:45:28  <evilpie>I don't remember if I submitted the tc39 agreement
21:46:00  <devsnek>evilpie: https://tc39.github.io/agreements/contributor/
21:46:22  <evilpie>I mean can somebody look me up?
21:50:22  <ljharb>evilpie: i think littledan can but it's probably faster to just re-submit :-p
21:51:14  <evilpie>lol phone number
21:51:24  <ljharb>867-5309
21:52:06  <littledan>it's an optional field!
21:52:25  <akirose>i have called that number on so many area codes
21:52:29  <littledan>I wouldn't recommend resubmitting in general; that will just make the data messier. just a second and I'll check...
21:52:42  <evilpie>it's not optional though
21:52:54  <akirose>someone in michigan runs a dj service with that phone number. (his name is not jenny.)
21:53:13  <littledan>evilpie: Yes, you signed
21:53:41  <evilpie>weirdly enough there seems to be no acknowledgement email, usually you get those with google forms
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21:59:45  <evilpie>Is sebmarkbage still coming to tc39 meetings?
21:59:51  <ljharb>evilpie: he was here yesterday
22:00:53  <evilpie>I need to ping him if he is interested in presenting it
22:02:09  <ljharb>it'd have to wait til september
22:03:18  <evilpie>yeah sure
22:05:29  <cloudshu>evilpie: what would you like to present?
22:05:44  <ljharb>cloudshu: trim for stage 4
22:05:52  <cloudshu>ah
22:05:56  <evilpie>I am not sure if we actually need to present it, but https://github.com/tc39/ecma262/pull/1275
22:06:00  <ljharb>evilpie: the PR needs merged 262 tests also
22:06:06  <evilpie>it does
22:06:10  <ljharb>oh wait got it
22:06:28  <ljharb>k well if seb isn't here in september, i'll present it :-p
22:09:15  <leobalter>ljharb yes! I signed off the test reviews and I'd love to see it merged. Let me check the engines status for this
22:14:24  <leobalter>ljharb evilpie implemented with tests passing without flags on V8, Spidermonkey, and JSC
22:14:40  <leobalter>Chakra is failing
22:15:43  <ljharb>woot
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22:33:01  <ljharb>evilpie: HA i approved a PR after it was merged https://github.com/tc39/proposal-string-left-right-trim/pull/26 :-p
22:33:03  <ljharb>keithamus: ^
22:33:22  <evilpie>do they actually support trimStart/trimEnd?
22:33:46  <ljharb>i'm assuming in the TP
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23:27:34  <leobalter>evilpie I'll check for annex-b methods as well
23:27:58  <ljharb>those are already in all browsers but it's good to have tests for them
23:29:00  <leobalter>we have the tests :)
23:29:16  <ljharb>woot
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