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15:08:14  <devsnek>that last es discuss thread got me thinking about serializing things and i came up with https://github.com/devsnek/js_transport
15:08:28  <devsnek>would be cool to see how domenic's blocks proposal plugs into that
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16:53:46  <littledan>Hey, I'm having trouble being able to speak in #tc39-delegates. Can anyone help?
16:54:04  <littledan>It would be great if someone could post the remote call-in link
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18:13:07  <Domenic>littledan: is there talk of exposing a list of countries, then? That's a big desire from web developers
18:13:31  <Domenic>Oooh I can make the IRCCloud sound on your computer
18:13:41  <bterlson>booDOO
18:13:43  <bterlson>booDOO
18:20:42  <ljharb>oof, a list of countries sounds difficult :-/
18:20:56  <ljharb>do you include Taiwan and China? Israel and Palestine? any choice will infuriate a lot of people
18:21:42  <rkirsling>I think that issue is delegated to ISO though
18:22:41  <ljharb>anyone who propagates those decisions will be considered equally culpable, i suspect.
18:23:03  <michaelficarra>ljharb: wouldn't it just be locale dependent?
18:23:28  <ljharb>that's certainly another option, but there's folks with opinions in every locale
18:23:32  <michaelficarra>you see the countries that you recognise, just as you see the name your language uses for the contries
18:23:49  <ljharb>right but the examples i gave above are political, not regional
18:24:10  <michaelficarra>politics can be part of locale, no?
18:24:15  <ljharb>definitely not
18:24:24  <ljharb>there's plenty of people in the US that think palestine is a country, and plenty that think it is not
18:24:45  <rkirsling>"country" codes are technically region codes though
18:24:48  <michaelficarra>yeah, so my locale would be en-us-palestineisacountry
18:24:52  <ljharb>lol
18:24:54  <rkirsling>lol
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18:25:01  <akirose>actual lol
18:25:17  <michaelficarra>I mean we put the calendar system in locale, right?
18:25:20  <rkirsling>I don't think there's anything controversial about zh-HK, zh-TW, etc.
18:25:30  <rkirsling>regardless of politics
18:27:26  <ljharb>agreed, but those are clearly regions
18:27:35  <rkirsling>well one is "clearly" :P
18:27:39  <ljharb>a list of countries explicitly talks about sovereignty
18:27:55  <ljharb>and the sovereignty of taiwan and palestine are the controversial ones, in my examples.
18:28:01  <rkirsling>if it's literally "country", yeah
18:28:10  <rkirsling>I might've missed something here, sorry
18:28:28  <akirose>let's do it. let's be fearless. KOSOVO AND PALESTINE AND TAIWAN ARE INDEPENDENT NATIONS đź’Ą
18:29:09  <dilijev>in BCP-47 langtags xx-YY, YY is a region not a country -- so I don't see a problem
18:29:15  <rkirsling>but looks like ISO itself delegates to the UN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1#Naming_and_disputes
18:30:22  <ljharb>akirose: this probably isn't the place to have that debate :-)
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18:31:03  <devsnek>is javascript a sovereign nation yet
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18:31:11  <akirose>fair
18:31:29  <ljharb>devsnek: that is almost certainly a less controversial proposal
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18:33:13  <rkirsling>lol
18:33:26  <rkirsling>Day X: JS becomes a sovereign nation
18:33:49  <rkirsling>Day X+1: First war declaration upon the JS nation
18:33:57  <akirose>dibs on empress
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18:36:54  <michaelficarra>akirose: don't ever be the public figure; be the person behind the public figure controlling them like a puppet
18:37:06  <akirose>good thinking michaelficarra
18:37:14  <akirose>except i'm no one's puppet https://snaps.akibraun.com/MedFGWy.gif
18:38:04  <ljharb>https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlQ6FqiqyCQIsAU/giphy.gif
18:38:05  <michaelficarra>on an unrelated note, dibs on a high-level position that has frequent contact with the empress
18:39:11  <ljharb>dibs on "head of the department that certifies dibs"
18:39:27  <akirose>what is this, chicago
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20:06:32  <Domenic>Yeah so one reason we haven't solved this on the web is because the political issue. But if TC39 wants to solve it---perhaps by delegating to ICU?---we can build a country-picker <input> on top or something :)
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