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02:30:21  <jmdyck>littledan: ?
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14:01:58  <littledan>jmdyck: What are you asking about?
15:16:27  <jmdyck>was thinking about bigint
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15:23:22  <jmdyck>littledan: one question is whether the bigint proposal's refactoring would do anything to resolve issue 1086
15:25:05  <jmdyck>or (vice versa) whether a resolution of issue 1086 would affect the bigint proposal much.
15:34:46  <jmdyck>and wondering whether bigint is catching the train for ES 2018, or if the integrated version of the proposal is imminent.
15:40:26  <annevk>jmdyck: I certainly hope that the bigint issue I pointed to will help resolve issues like 1086 for good
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15:45:48  <jmdyck>annevk: but I'm guessing that that bigint issue doesn't actually need to be (fully) resolved for the bigint proposal to proceed.
15:46:22  <annevk>jmdyck: yeah maybe not, though I'd be a little disappointed if it doesn't
15:47:29  <jmdyck>or you could say: it'snot really bigint's job to solve that problem in the spec.
15:49:10  <annevk>People pushing new features make that argument a lot I feel and it's how we end up with loads of technical debt in the platform
15:50:14  <annevk>If everyone pushing something new took ownership of improving the existing architecture first to the point where the new thing could be cleanly introduced, we'd be in a better state; though this applies less to JavaScript I feel as it's in a pretty good shape already
15:51:05  <jmdyck>Actually, I think the bigint proposal *is* doing that to a large extent.
15:52:02  <jmdyck>with its abstraction of numeric types.
16:14:48  <littledan>jmdyck: Thanks for the ping, commented there
16:15:34  <littledan>Thanks to Brendan Eich for pushing for this clean abstraction of types in the BigInt spec text
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16:16:27  <littledan>BigInt won't be in ES2018, but I'm optimistic for ES2019
16:18:07  <littledan>annevk: Seems like spec architecture faces similar problems to all open source projects: it's easy to complain in unproductive channels, work around or do your own thing, and harder to make a clean contribution upstream even though there's a clear path to doing so
16:21:46  <annevk>littledan: I think the problem is worse somehow in that for a lot of the web platform there doesn't seem to be a real requirement for features to have architectural grounding
16:22:11  <littledan>annevk: Unlike other software???
16:22:29  <annevk>littledan: so you can introduce some kind of performance API that exposes requests made by the page, without actually making changes to Fetch that would enable you to do that
16:22:44  <annevk>littledan: and furthermore, implementers will just go ahead and implement it and don't object
16:22:59  <annevk>littledan: software typically has to compile and run under a few basic scenarios
16:23:28  <littledan>JS gets around this partly, recently, by actually providing hooks, and partly by saying the problem of providing architectural grounding to JS embedders is out of scope. I'm not sure if it's the ideal model
16:23:52  <annevk>JS is pretty ideal all things considered, my beef is mainly elsewhere
16:24:32  <annevk>I think an annoying thing with JS/impls was SharedArrayBuffer
16:24:50  <annevk>As that had severe host implementations nobody really worked on so Domenic and I scrambled a bit to pick that up
16:33:41  <jmdyck>"severe host implementations"?
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16:39:08  <Domenic>implications
16:40:49  <jmdyck>ah
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17:00:26  <jmdyck>git question: how can I get a copy of https://github.com/tc39/ecma262/pull/1048/commits into my repo? The "from" repository appears to inaccessible to me.
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18:45:52  <cloudshu>bterlson: around?
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