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16:31:57  <aklein>cloudshu: so I put together slides for my parameter scoping thing...and now I can't find the part of the spec where the individual declarative environments are supposed to be created
16:32:26  <aklein>cloudshu: do you happen to remember where this is? or are V8 and SpiderMonkey just wrong?
16:45:11  <brab>aklein: are you talking about function calls or let bindings?
16:45:46  <aklein>brab: neither, i think? https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11xRhQlcNGBdmKC43lEx7fUP0wl-QtFLg55FwgAvLE2k/edit#slide=id.g1c264b0f9c_0_58
16:47:21  <brab>in strict mode the z would never escape the eval, no?
16:47:34  <aklein>sure, this is only in sloppy mode
16:53:11  <brab>aklein: I guess this is specced here https://tc39.github.io/ecma262/#sec-functiondeclarationinstantiation
16:53:31  <brab>"If default value parameter initializers exist, a second Environment Record is created for the body declarations."
16:55:05  <brab>step 28 does it
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18:04:08  <cloudshu>brab: no, he's talking about the per-parameter position var env
18:04:09  <aklein>brab: that's a different scope than the one I'm looking for...
18:04:13  <cloudshu>i'm still trying to find it
18:04:27  <aklein>brab: that is the scope that the later slides are discussing in that deck
18:05:19  <brab>oh, sorry, I misunderstood
18:05:35  <aklein>brab: no worries, I've been staring at this bit of spec for three years and I misunderstood too :)
18:08:22  <cloudshu>aklein: i still can't find it, this worries me
18:08:40  <aklein>cloudshu: I was digging through pre-es6 drafts this morning and couldn't find anything either
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18:09:22  <aklein>bterlson: do you happen to understand this part of the spec? :)
18:09:23  <brab>aklein: is it Note 3 at the end? « Parameter Initializers may contain direct eval expressions. Any top level declarations of such evals are only visible to the eval code (10.2). The creation of the environment for such declarations is described in 14.1.19. »
18:09:59  <cloudshu>oh yes that's the Iterator
18:10:01  <cloudshu>14.1.19
18:10:06  <cloudshu>the sidebar search failed me
18:10:21  <aklein>ahhh
18:10:35  <cloudshu>or i failed at clicking on the second one, i guess
18:10:39  <brab>yes, step 6 creates it
18:10:43  <aklein>brab: thank you!
18:10:57  <bterlson>cloudshu: noooo
18:11:02  <bterlson>cloudshu: how did it fail?
18:11:08  <cloudshu>cloudshu: i misspoke, it was my faukt
18:11:09  <cloudshu>fault
18:12:06  <aklein>brab: saved my day, phew
18:12:57  <brab>aklein: glad I could help
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22:25:07  <sfink>what is the status of (non-wasm) Typed Objects? I can't find anything describing where they are. Are they still a thing?
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22:31:50  <ljharb>sfink: "abandoned" https://github.com/tc39/proposals/blob/master/inactive-proposals.md
22:32:01  <sfink>ah, thanks
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