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07:27:19  <Xstoudi>Hey! Who do I need to contact to submit a proposal ?
08:00:37  <ljharb>Xstoudi: only TC39 members can make proposals; https://github.com/tc39/proposals/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md may be helpful
08:32:25  <Xstoudi>Presently, it's written that you have to find a TC39 champion by going on es-discuss, but my proposal was never discussed by a champion, do they even look on external proposals sometimes ?
08:35:12  <Xstoudi>I know that's a lot of work, but my proposal is actually simple to write, understand, it's a feature that doesn't require syntax modification because that's only a function that can improve performance in many cases
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08:47:25  <Xstoudi>So, the question is to know if there is TC39 members that are open to support externals proposals
08:50:00  <annevk>Xstoudi: did you post about your proposal to es-discuss?
08:50:13  <annevk>Xstoudi: link to the thread?
08:51:42  <Xstoudi>https://esdiscuss.org/topic/math-minmax
08:52:05  <Xstoudi>Just saw that a tc39 champions answered, but didn't gave me feedback on what he asked
09:00:51  <annevk>As far as I can tell you didn't really make a persuasive enough argument
09:01:37  <annevk>And the email that starts with "Sorry for the delay!" probably didn't provide enough context (or data) for anyone who wasn't really convinced to begin with to start caring again
09:04:59  <Xstoudi>~2x performance improvement on widely used uses cases, nothing more, nothing less :)
09:06:13  <annevk>Xstoudi: I mean that you didn't say you got a 2x improvement mitigating the problems Boris hinted at
09:06:29  <annevk>Xstoudi: you just said "I have new benchmarks" which requires the reader to do all the legwork
09:06:52  <annevk>Xstoudi: and since the readers were already not very convinced, that's likely why the conversation stopped
09:11:50  <Xstoudi>ok ok, gonna explain the results better
09:20:02  <annevk>Xstoudi: you also need to address the concern from ljharb
09:20:15  <annevk>Xstoudi: that there's sufficient need for that kind of speedup
09:31:22  <Xstoudi>Done, thanks for help, @annevk
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13:30:51  <Domenic>It's also not really interesting to speed up slow code in nice cases by 2x
13:31:31  <Domenic>If someone's application's bottleneck is Math.max + Math.min, you should show that (a) that occurs a lot in the wild; (b) applications are too lazy to rewrite themselves using one for loop, but *are* willing to switch to a new function and import a polyfill until it ships in all browsers
13:31:46  <Domenic>This seems highly unlikely to me, so I would oppose the proposal in committee unless persuasive data on (a) and (b) were provided.
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16:33:18  <ljharb>(they quit) but yeah i totally agree
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