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04:00:27  <mappum>is everyone in this channel going to maker.land?
04:06:18  <substack>me
04:18:47  <mappum>nice
04:19:04  <mappum>i can't get enough of hacker camps
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14:33:46  <mikolalysenko>yes
14:34:09  <mikolalysenko>maker.land looks awesome
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15:13:15  <jfhbrook>makerland?
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16:25:32  <noffle>mappum: I'm going :)
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16:53:40  <ogd>mappum: you should come! hackrf round two :D
16:55:13  <mappum>Already got tickets for my gf and myself 👍
16:57:17  <mappum>And invited a friend
17:11:05  <ogd>mappum: WOOT
17:11:20  <ogd>mappum: are you driving from seattle? i had a friend that might also drive from seattle...
17:11:36  <ogd>have*
17:14:28  <mappum>ogd: yep. Cool, maybe we should carpool
17:14:59  <mappum>Is there a message board or anything for carpool requests?
17:15:37  <ogd>mappum: not yet but i was gonna email all attendees in a week or two and ask if anyone who wants/needs a ride to reply to me and i can coordinate
17:16:34  <mappum>That's a good way to handle it. Any idea how many attendees there will be?
17:17:17  <ogd>mappum: i think 50
17:18:52  <mappum>Cool, I'm looking forward to it 😀
17:19:09  <mappum>Bring your hackrf
17:19:41  <ogd>mappum: will do
17:25:04  <ogd>mappum: ok actually https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/makerland-rideshare
17:27:54  <substack>ogd: are dogs ok to bring?
17:28:00  <ogd>substack: yea
17:28:43  <mappum>Sweet, I'm bringing a dog too
17:29:32  <ogd>i dont wanna necessarily encourage it because ETOOMANYDOGS but if people ask i'll say yes :)
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19:47:01  <substack>ugh I spent 3 days trying to figure out something in c++, caused by forgetting `break` at the end of a `case`
19:49:32  <jfhbrook>that sucks substack
19:49:57  <substack>well I got some other things working in the mean time
19:50:25  <substack>judicious use of fprintf(stderr, ...) statements saved the day
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21:42:58  <joepie91>[23:40] <salvum> Just an FYI for Defcon goers.... they are using Biometrics for the room locks at bailys and paris. you can opt out.
21:43:33  <joepie91>bret: well there's http://audiocogs.org/codecs/
21:43:41  <jfhbrook>isn't defcon the conf that had strippers as prizes for hacker trivia?
21:43:59  <joepie91>bret: that's probably the closest you're going to find for this, without binding to gstreamer / outsourcing to ffmpeg / libvlc / whatever
21:44:21  <joepie91>wonder if you could emscripten gstreamer...
21:52:09  <bret>i dont need browser support
21:52:20  <bret>in fact, i would rather keep this performant as possible
21:52:32  <bret>joepie91: cool these are good resources thank you
21:53:57  <joepie91>bret: yeah, if it's for server-side Node or such, then you definitely want to look at gstreamer (caution: GNOME dependency), libvlc (should work cross-platform but is basically undocumented and I'm not sure bindings exist) or ffmpeg (probably by transcoding to something that you can consume more easily? I think there's also a lib though)
21:54:19  <joepie91>duct tape solution is using child_process to call ffmpeg and just reading its stdout :P
21:54:25  <joepie91>oh
21:54:31  <joepie91>bret: mpd is another possible option depending on your requirements
21:54:32  <bret>would be cool to avoid the tape :p
21:54:49  <joepie91>"Music Player Daemon (MPD) is a flexible, powerful, server-side application for playing music. Through plugins and libraries it can play a variety of sound files while being controlled by its network protocol."
21:54:58  <joepie91>runs as a standalone process, meant to be controlled from third-party applications
21:55:02  <joepie91>plays most everything afaik
21:55:12  <bret>looking to do an electron based music library
21:55:31  <joepie91>hmmm. electron ships with a bunch of codecs already, irc?
21:55:32  <joepie91>iirc*
22:06:06  <bret>from within a window process i think
22:06:46  <bret>its another approach i plan on messing with
22:10:17  <bret>it would be cool to avoid hidden windows
22:11:04  <bret>(in order to allow the user to close a window, and keep audio playing)
22:14:30  <bret>joepie91: https://github.com/RSATom/WebChimera.js sick!
22:15:16  <joepie91>bret: neat, but https://github.com/RSATom/WebChimera.js/issues/69 :P
22:15:23  <joepie91>surprised this exists though
22:15:43  <bret>i dont need video C:
22:16:11  <bret>joepie91: yeah me too !
22:18:46  <joepie91>bret: idk if that issue also applies for audio though
22:18:54  <joepie91>the reporter might just only have tried video
22:19:01  <bret>also found https://github.com/andrewrk/node-groove
22:19:51  <joepie91>bret: uses ffmpeg
22:19:53  <joepie91>:P
22:20:08  <bret>oh dang
22:20:18  <bret>maybe its bundled?
22:21:07  <bret>ill have to mess around
22:21:23  <bret>maybe the dependency can be bundled up in the electron app?
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22:24:42  <joepie91>bret: possibly, but it's probably going to be messyu
22:24:44  <joepie91>messy*
22:25:01  <joepie91>this is an area where I think Rust might get very interesting
22:25:05  <bret>what did winamp used to use?
22:25:20  <joepie91>Mozilla is gradually reimplementing all their media stuff in Rust, as I understand it
22:25:24  <bret>rust is cool, but i dont have time to learn it right now
22:25:25  <joepie91>and you can *already* link to Rust code from Node
22:25:37  <joepie91>oh yeah, I'm not suggesting it as a solution here
22:25:46  <joepie91>but give it a few years and I think we might have reasonable modular media dependencies
22:25:48  <bret>i would hapily use a mozmedia rust binding if it existed
22:26:04  <joepie91>as for winamp, iirc they used their own thing
22:26:24  <joepie91>bret: anyhow, see eg. https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/07/shipping-rust-in-firefox/
22:26:40  <bret>i saw that a while back
22:27:03  <joepie91>it's likely that other components are planned to be replaced in the future
22:27:21  <joepie91>and given the fairly modular nature of the Rust ecosystem, it's likely to be easier to integrate into applications than behemots like ffmpeg and libvlc
22:35:34  <bret>yarg, i hate when native modules don't fully bundle their depdendencies
22:35:53  <bret>it makes npm like every other derpy package manager
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