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| <dguttman> | https://github.com/sindresorhus/junk |
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| <domanic> | calvinmetcalf, hey do you know of any other streaming mac protocols? |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | domanic: tls in chacha20/poly1305 or aes-gcm could be considered one |
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| <domanic> | calvinmetcalf, sorry - to clarify - I mean a protocol where you can stream data in, and get authenticated data out in real time |
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| <domanic> | like your hmac-stream, but poly1305 needs to buffer the whole session to authenticate it |
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| <domanic> | it's a stream cipher... but it's not streaming authentication |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | so tls with aes-gcm or chacha20/poly1305 is a streaming authenticated encryption |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | as it handles the framing for you |
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| <domanic> | yeah, it's the framing that I'm interested in right now |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | https://iojs.org/api/tls.html#tls_tls_createsecurepair_context_isserver_requestcert_rejectunauthorized |
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| <domanic> | calvinmetcalf, question: what advantage does a polynomial authenticator (eg poly1305) have over a hmac? |
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| <substack> | yessss just got peernet search working |
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| <domanic> | it seems to me that it's used for the same role? is it just perfomance? in that why not use poly1305 as a hash? |
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| <substack> | with a test, now need to bake up some more pathological test cases |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | domanic: performance I think |
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| <substack> | domanic: https://github.com/substack/peernet/issues/2 |
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| <substack> | I remember you were also looking at p2p webrtc signaling |
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| <domanic> | calvinmetcalf, hmm - so why not use polynomial authenticators for a hash? |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | domanic: because it's not a hash it's a mac |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | poly1305 would be more equivalent to an hmac not a straight up hash |
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| <domanic> | right, because it takes a key |
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| <domanic> | but you could use a standard key and youd have a hash. |
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| <domanic> | as long as it was collision resistant and unreversable |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | domanic: it very well might be ok, but poly1305 (and ghash from gcm) were designed with narrower security goals in mind |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | and it might be open to all kinds of attacks if you can predict the key or something |
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| <domanic> | right |
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| <domanic> | so it's safe to use a hashes to build a mac (i.e. hmac) but not necessarily a mac to build a hash |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | well note that it's only safe to use hashes to build a mac very carfully in order to avoid pitfalls like length extention |
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| <domanic> | of course |
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| <domanic> | calvinmetcalf, I'm sensing that tls is vulnerable to the bug I described on hmac-stream too, but I can't the right spec to say for sure |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | I think max packet length is low enough that that isn't an exploitable issue |
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| <mafintosh> | domanic: i'm heading to labitat on frederiksberg |
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| <mafintosh> | domanic: its a hackerspace. |
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| <domanic> | mafintosh, I think I'm gonna stay in tonight, tomorrow though! |
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| <calvinmetcalf> | domanic: https://github.com/calvinmetcalf/hmac-stream/pull/6 |
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| <domanic> | calvinmetcalf, ah I saw you where working on that |
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| <mafintosh> | domanic: after biking through the rain i understand that decision |
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