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00:31:33  <feross>mafintosh: not that I know of
00:31:45  <feross>mafintosh: maybe by sending a message back to other side telling them to slow down / pause?
00:32:14  <feross>we might want to ask in #webrtc
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01:24:24  <mafintosh>feross: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/RTCDataChannel/bufferedAmount (but no 'drain' event :/)
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01:40:45  <mafintosh>feross: i guess we could poll that once in a while using a timer but that seems a bit hackish
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02:17:01  <jjjohnny_>jlord: do you know what github use to render pdfs to canvas?
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04:01:13  <yoshuawuyts>mafintosh: does signalhub work with simple-peer's initiator? Digging into webRTC for the first time tonight.
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04:13:10  <reqshark>wtf https://github.com/mafintosh/webcat
04:13:47  <mafintosh>reqshark: fixed a couple of issues now - connection works more reliably now
04:14:30  <reqshark>ok i'll upgrade in just a minute
04:16:48  <reqshark>ok i guess 1.1.2 it is
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04:18:03  <mafintosh>reqshark: oh yea
04:18:16  <mafintosh>reqshark: try connecting to me
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04:18:44  <reqshark>mafintosh, let ninja do it's thing i'm working with a 2.0 ghz processor here
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04:22:07  <jjjohnny_>feross: i'm trying to use simple-peer, am getting error processing ICE candidate
04:31:30  <reqshark>wow webcat is rediculous
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04:47:06  <reqshark>it's like, i don't know run man page for WRITE(1)
04:47:25  <reqshark>$ man write
04:47:48  <reqshark>plus file redirect shit
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04:52:56  <substack>jjjohnny_: npm install -g airpaste
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06:55:00  <mafintosh>substack: airpaste over the web, https://github.com/mafintosh/webcat
06:55:35  <substack>very good
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07:03:30  <mafintosh>feross: hmm i think simple-peer looses some data when you .end() it - will try to investigate
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07:18:44  <mafintosh>feross: ok sent you a pr with a temporary fix
07:20:08  <mafintosh>yoshuawuyts: see the webcat source. we basically use the signalhub to detect when both peers are online and then we pick a random one of the two to be the initiator (they both pick a random number - the one with the highest one becomes the initiator)
07:33:47  <substack>starting to jot down some omega projects: https://github.com/substack/omega-projects/issues
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08:43:19  <greweb>any lib to parse an svg string server side?
08:43:54  <greweb>basically I just want to "query" all the paths and extract the d attribute with svg-path-parser
09:05:25  <substack>greweb: any html parser should be able to handle svg
09:05:53  <substack>you can use trumpet for example
09:05:55  <greweb>ok thanks :-) I was looking to xmldom right now
09:06:07  <greweb>oh trumpet
09:06:17  <greweb>nice one
09:08:06  <greweb>finally svg is just xml to any xml lib fits too
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11:03:39  <jjjohnny_>you know what it is about the module wizardry
11:03:47  <jjjohnny_>it's the creative format
11:05:09  <jjjohnny_>objectively, what is coming out of the high level modular wizardry is by far the most creative
11:07:25  <jjjohnny_>it is no surprise that it is not immediately appreciated by business and Ye Olde Gaurd
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11:09:25  <jjjohnny_>but it heavily influences the new
11:09:38  <jjjohnny_>if they are exposed to it
11:10:21  <substack>I think the modular way has been gaining a pretty decent following on its own
11:10:34  <jjjohnny_>i agree
11:10:51  <substack>can't really expect that everyone's prior experiences will align in a way where it resonates
11:11:40  <substack>some people really want to have a grab-bag of somebody else's opinions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11:12:47  <jjjohnny_>creative, artistic, admirable projects, those are what catch the eye of the neophyte
11:13:02  <jjjohnny_>the magic will work itself
11:13:36  <jjjohnny_>but there is some game in helping more people to it
11:13:47  <jjjohnny_>that is what these ocnferences are about
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11:15:46  <freeall>I sometimes wonder if conferences really changes opinions or if it's more for the people who already agree with you
11:19:51  <jjjohnny_>freeall: both probably, but those are sets of people we care least about if our goal is to reach out
11:20:31  <substack>freeall: even among the faithful, reinforcing themes is important for community cohesion
11:20:38  <substack>and there are always new ideas coming down the pipe
11:21:06  <substack>I learned about a few new things just tonight from different folks, both online and in person
11:22:26  <substack>I think what draws people toward modularity is bad experiences with monoliths
11:22:53  <jjjohnny_>for every one person today in software dev, there will be at least two new ones this time next year
11:23:09  <jjjohnny_>or what it is, 18 months?
11:23:27  <freeall>I have started a job where I do more frontend. It really hurts to see how it's just not modular at all
11:23:50  <freeall>We use angular, and then all the "modules" are angular modules. It's painul.
11:24:08  <freeall>*painful
11:24:24  <jjjohnny_>Angular: It's Worse than You Thought. It's Panal
11:25:41  <jjjohnny_>most devs are building the row houses of software.
11:25:56  <jjjohnny_>we build works of functional art
11:26:17  <jjjohnny_>that you can live in
11:26:45  <freeall>I quite liked when React came out. It may not be entirely perfect, but it was refreshing to see that it's not as all in as other frontend frameworks
11:27:58  <jjjohnny_>yes it seems to have good parts, except where there stuck php inside yr javascript
11:31:40  <substack>react is ok, but nowhere near as nice as virtual-dom/mercury libs
11:31:56  <substack>and react goes off the deep end with some things, like react-router is insanity
11:34:16  <substack>using jsx to configure a router...
11:34:22  <substack>it's worse than apache xml files
11:41:39  <freeall>I thought about something the other day where I got annoyed about angular and other frameworks that solves all your problems at once
11:41:52  <greweb>+1 about react-router
11:42:03  <freeall>It was that writing code is easy, but making software is challending
11:43:42  <greweb>jsx is quite nice to not having to write createElement by hand. but using it to define routes feel a hack.
11:46:50  <substack>greweb: that's just React having a lousy api though :/
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11:54:24  <freeall>Do you guys have a way to get a list of open pull requests that are in repos you are a collaborator on?
11:54:45  <substack>github.com/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+user%3Asubstack
11:55:02  <substack>substituting substack for your username
11:55:39  <freeall>substack: but isn't that only on repos you own?
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11:57:11  <freeall>From what I have been able to find out github doesn't have this in their api, but I could be wrong
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17:19:50  <mafintosh>substack: looking through your omega projects i realize more and more that we need a widely deployed general purpose dht
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17:37:17  <feross>substack: dang you have a lot of open prs
17:38:03  <feross>jjjohnny_: hey, what is the error you're getting?
17:38:09  <feross>jjjohnny_: can u paste it?
17:38:54  <jjjohnny_>feross: i think we worked it out.
17:39:13  <jjjohnny_>that every peer connection needs a new simple-peer construct
17:39:32  <mafintosh>juliangruber: around?
17:40:10  <feross>mafintosh: omg dude webcat is genius
17:42:04  <feross>mafintosh: also, the bufferedAmount property / no 'drain' event problem is the same with websockets, no?
17:42:14  <feross>i think they just copied the websocket api for data channels
17:42:30  <feross>mafintosh: how do the websocket stream libraries do backpressure? we can just copy that
17:45:01  <mafintosh>feross: it doesnt :/
17:45:11  <mafintosh>feross: for the same reasons
17:45:23  <feross>ah, so this solution can be reused across both. awesome
17:46:22  <mafintosh>feross: i'm thinking just start a timer that polls bufferedAmount every 100ms and set a higher than normal watermark (like 1mb or something)
17:47:12  <feross>mafintosh: yep, exactly what i was thinking
17:47:17  <mafintosh>feross: that'd support 1mb/100ms speeds which is fine for most thing (could be configurable)
17:47:17  <ogd>people have asked me for this in websocket-stream but i never had an answer
17:47:51  <mafintosh>feross: only we need to handle .end better (see my pr)
17:50:54  <feross>mafintosh: yeah, i already had a similar 100ms hack in there for a similar case. i'll merge your pr. we can hopefully find a solution to this
17:51:47  <mafintosh>feross: i feel like we should get in touch with some standards body and have them add a drain event before the spec is finalized
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17:56:35  <ogd>+1
17:56:39  <feross>mafintosh: thanks!!
17:56:54  <feross>what other apps have you guys built with simple-peer? I should update the list here: https://github.com/feross/simple-peer#real-world-apps-that-use-simple-peer
17:57:25  <ogd>screencat
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18:02:01  <ogd>i emailed github support asking nicely for CORS GET on username.keys
18:02:23  <feross>https://github.com/feross/simple-peer#production-apps-that-use-simple-peer
18:03:11  <mafintosh>ogd: nice
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18:10:31  <ogd>mafintosh: electron-prebuilt
18:10:41  <mafintosh>ogd: https://github.com/mafintosh/electron-prebuilt
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18:17:53  <yoshuawuyts>mafintosh: thanks!
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20:43:14  <yoshuawuyts>substack: `npm i -g wsnc` is currently broken, probably due to a bad publish
20:43:40  <yoshuawuyts>https://github.com/substack/wsnc/issues/1
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21:15:07  <jjjohnny_>yoshuawuyts: this is what im sayiing, architecture is a high level API for building software using the decentralized (DEX) code writers society
21:16:09  <jjjohnny_>mixing your creative work with pay work shouldn't go beyond the module level, but thas everyones choice
21:17:04  <jjjohnny_>with architects out there translating UXERSPACE desires for software into module punchcards
21:18:10  <yoshuawuyts>I like the term "module punchcard"
21:18:36  <jjjohnny_>shovel ready work, as substack always puts it
21:20:20  <jjjohnny_>we are those architects, but we'd like there to be an army of them, since it is so easy
21:21:07  <jjjohnny_>i need somebody to loan me a few grands in 20 dollar bills, as prop for the video
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21:31:44  <jjjohnny_>REQSHARK FIND ME A LOAN
21:35:35  <jjjohnny_>i think reqshark is broken, somebody buy it a round of financing
21:38:55  <yoshuawuyts>substack: wonderful, thanks for fixing! :D
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23:07:54  <reqshark>jjjohnny_, just use `webcat reqshark`
23:13:27  <jjjohnny_>dios taco rainbows
23:15:23  <jjjohnny_>does simple peer work from node?
23:15:36  <reqshark>yea
23:15:59  <reqshark>like version 0.12 or whatever?
23:17:10  <jjjohnny_>is that a chrome thing?
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23:20:00  <reqshark>idk it's a webcat dep https://github.com/mafintosh/webcat/blob/master/package.json#L14
23:20:39  <mafintosh>jjjohnny_: yea it does now
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23:25:13  <jjjohnny_>amaze
23:32:57  <substack>mafintosh: i think it's worth copying some of the install notes from wrtc into the webcat readme
23:33:11  <substack>from https://www.npmjs.com/package/wrtc#getting-started
23:33:35  <substack>because if you try to install webcat without doing those it will fail to install in a very unfriendly way
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23:50:44  <mafintosh>substack: good idea. will do
23:51:09  <substack>I also haven't got wrtc to build at all on my system :/
23:51:20  <substack>it's built against a newer libc blech
23:51:30  <substack>all of this stuff is garbage >_<
23:51:47  <substack>really need a pure js (or very lightweight binary deps) version
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23:55:14  <jfhbrook>wait what the hell is ncurses for in that?