00:00:03  <anandthakker>yay indeed!
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00:00:52  <substack>then I guess it percolated for long enough and I got that prototype working on the flight to NZ
00:01:06  <anandthakker>hah that's rad
00:01:32  <anandthakker>i recently made the reverse of that flight... great way to get some stuff done :)
00:01:51  <substack>the seats have AC too
00:01:56  <substack>or at least my airplane did
00:01:58  <substack>very handy
00:01:59  <anandthakker>woah
00:02:34  <anandthakker>mine didn't, so i was being pretty stingy with screen brightness and such
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05:49:09  <jjjohnny_>what is bash for apostrophe?
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05:49:52  <jjjohnny_>yo stagas
05:49:57  <jjjohnny_>i see you
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05:50:21  <stagas>jjjohnny_: i see you!
05:50:23  <stagas>:P
05:50:54  <jjjohnny_>stagas: do you browserify?
05:51:34  <jjjohnny_>i noticed openDSP is written in ES module
05:52:08  <jjjohnny_>wondering what npm-ish shim i should use
05:53:12  <stagas>jjjohnny_: I have a minimal hand rolled module system but I'm trying to move to proper es6 using System and stuff, still working on how to do that
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05:55:15  <stagas>jjjohnny_: the constraint I have is that they need to build incrementally, caching, really fast on the browser
05:56:00  <stagas>jjjohnny_: so I figure that only a deterministic build can achieve that i.e no version checks, the import is essentially a key value pair
05:56:25  <jjjohnny_>yeah i prebundle everything
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05:56:37  <stagas>jjjohnny_: also you don't want your build (music track) suddenly changing sound because of some random patch
05:56:50  <jjjohnny_>gp
05:57:06  <jjjohnny_>you do want it changing sound, tho, because of some random pitch
05:57:17  <stagas>yup
05:57:36  <stagas>even if it's a bug, you'd still be using it in the mix
05:57:40  <stagas>as it is
05:58:02  <jjjohnny_>did you see this: http://requirebin.com/?gist=c30b90745e17b7c3ddaa
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05:58:29  <jjjohnny_>i wrote it today, speaking of random pitches
05:59:19  <stagas>let me try with chrome
06:00:28  <stagas>I get a loading indicator forever in both ff and chrome
06:01:47  <jjjohnny_>geez
06:01:50  <stagas>ah it worked
06:01:56  <stagas>nice!
06:02:06  <jjjohnny_>better send a ticket to npm
06:02:16  <jjjohnny_>as that is where you loaded the modules from
06:02:18  <stagas>haha blends with the birds outside my house
06:02:23  <jjjohnny_>sweet!
06:08:39  <stagas>also starting to think deterministic builds are better in general, semver and version ranges are only added complexity and issues, mainly you can't trust humans to semver properly
06:09:27  <stagas>most of my experience has been: why did this stop working? oh this deep deep dependency got updated
06:10:53  <jjjohnny_>so far I have skirted these issues by using only my own modules
06:11:49  <jjjohnny_>and also Ihave started publishing cached builds
06:12:02  <jjjohnny_>using hmltb.in
06:12:41  <jjjohnny_>so if i write a synth I like, i can publish it to myself in a forever cached, offline working way
06:13:00  <jjjohnny_>you can't do that without bundling, i don't think
06:13:30  <stagas>yeah.. you can also completely remove manifests, when an import is an uri you just point to the file you need, you don't need the indirection of a manifest file to determine where that file lives
06:17:02  <stagas>if you also use a jsdoc header then a source code file can be autonomous, can be passed around without any notion of package managers etc
06:18:32  <stagas>anyways that's where i'm heading, trying to find how this can work inside the new browser apis, System mainly
06:19:37  <jjjohnny_>ultimately this about me not losing my code, which I would be prone to without npm/github
06:20:16  <jjjohnny_>and being an indie dev
06:20:32  <jjjohnny_>i dont want to make service, but i do want to publish synths
06:20:44  <jjjohnny_>or, if a service, that is separate
06:21:02  <jjjohnny_>the apps should work, and be versioned
06:21:13  <jjjohnny_>but that doesn't mean the deps should be!
06:21:26  <jjjohnny_>and i am in point of fact not a semver adherent
06:22:27  <jjjohnny_>which is probably why nobody uses my modules
06:22:32  <jjjohnny_>haha
06:22:50  <jjjohnny_>HIRE ME TODAY
06:23:39  <jjjohnny_>nonetheless, i do have versions of all my modules of course. some older version better than the newer, despite thenewer being "correct"
06:24:25  <jjjohnny_>like this delay, something like an off by one, but not. something inverted in the feedback. once i fixed that, the delay lost some life
06:25:41  <jjjohnny_>i jus recorded two running version of the chirpy birds, one much evolved from the other, playing at the same tie
06:25:44  <jjjohnny_>time
06:26:07  <jjjohnny_>i cant stop
06:26:12  <jjjohnny_>it is endlessly interesting
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06:36:23  <stagas>jjjohnny_: git is the single thing we need to be using and a cdn on top like rawgit. eliminating the middle man (pms) we're getting rid a huge set of problems that needn't be there the first place
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06:40:29  <jjjohnny_>stagas: do you write node backends?
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06:59:35  <jjjohnny_>and for extra measure, my live code station node.module.club keeps diffs for each compile per tab-session
06:59:42  <jjjohnny_>cached locally
07:00:49  <jjjohnny_>which has saved me a few deep evolutionary sounds
07:05:22  <jjjohnny_>all of them, actually
07:06:02  <jjjohnny_>which as of the most recent tab is 666 sessions!
07:08:46  <jjjohnny_>well i just opened my 666th session, i'll se yall on the other side
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07:16:08  <thealphanerd>MODULE CLUB
07:16:09  <thealphanerd>:D
07:16:12  <thealphanerd>right on jjjohnny_
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16:39:12  <mikolalysenko>fun stuff: http://rise4fun.com/z3/tutorial
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22:11:15  <substack>domanic: are you headed down for the nodeup thing?
22:11:32  <substack>I think they're going to start soonish
22:11:44  <substack>at EPIC
22:11:57  <domanic>substack, yeah just killing some email before I checkout
22:12:39  <domanic>substack, just got storm gear: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=862450834 for 1/10 the price of new!
22:12:54  <substack>ok!
22:13:04  <substack>I already brought my $7 raincoat from fruitvale
22:13:26  <substack>domanic: checkout is 10am, ritchie says
22:16:40  <domanic>haha I woke up at 10am and tried to check what the checkout time was
22:16:43  <domanic>usually there is a note
22:17:09  <domanic>substack, yeah normally I just use a pvc thing, but getting cold and wet suck
22:17:11  <domanic>s
22:27:45  <domanic>substack, on my way
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