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00:22:26  <feross>sooo, this just happened: https://twitter.com/izs/status/560227497850056704
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00:22:42  <feross>i'll see ya'll at node summit!
00:24:19  <ogd>lol
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01:31:51  <ogd>feross: experimental (uses regex) https://github.com/maxogden/standard-format#standard-format
01:32:44  <feross>ogd: nice!
01:32:55  <feross>i'll add it to the readme
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06:17:09  <kumavis>Raynos: playing with mercury, getting some weird behaviour
06:17:53  <kumavis>somehow event registration is not working?
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06:55:06  <kumavis>Raynos: I think it was latest that im manually brininging in modules instead of using mercury and the latest virtual-dom is not compatible somehow
06:56:15  <substack>mafintosh: ok it seems that changesdown.decode(data) gets stuck in an infinite loop in this app
06:56:19  <substack>but otherwise it's fine
06:56:25  <substack>if I don't decode the chunks
06:56:42  <kumavis>Raynos: just confirmed this to be true
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07:22:15  <kumavis>ah ok that took awhile, but there is an implicit expectation that virtual-dom and DOMDelegator are both using data-set
07:22:46  <kumavis>later virtual-dom uses ev-store instead
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07:33:09  <kumavis>Raynos: created an issue https://github.com/Raynos/mercury/issues/122
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09:13:05  <mafintosh>substack: oh i fixed a bug related to this in protocol buffers yesterday. Try reinstalling
09:21:29  <mafintosh>substack: and you need to do changesdown.decode(data.value) - there was a docs bug about this to
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10:18:11  <substack>mafintosh: cool thanks!
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12:19:33  <substack>mafintosh: seems to have fixed the issue
12:19:45  <mafintosh>substack: awesome
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14:01:15  <mafintosh>substack: i'm building a hyperlog demo for the browser that uses hyperboot - everything should work offline
14:02:02  <mafintosh>substack: and then when that works i should make it sync using webrtc!
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15:34:18  <greweb>Hi guys
15:34:47  <greweb>what is today the best tooling way to do: browserify + react & jsx + es6 ?
15:35:50  <greweb>I'm confused by all these browserify transformers like: reactify (which have part of es6 ?), es6ify (but what about jsx then?), & what about react-tools + browserify? etc..
15:36:22  <yoshuawuyts4>wouldn't touch jsx with a ten-foot pole
15:36:39  <yoshuawuyts4>browserify is amazing though; suggest you give 6to5ify a look
15:36:45  <greweb>yeah
15:36:57  <greweb>so maybe reactify->es6ify
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15:37:22  <yoshuawuyts4>stuff like mercury / deku / hyperscript is also pretty neat
15:38:03  <greweb>React released a new beta version and they have es6 support, but it is maybe not ready for browserify. they have their own react-tools
15:38:28  <yoshuawuyts4>imo better defined domains than react, which has turned into a huge pile of features
15:38:56  <yoshuawuyts4>'react-tools' should be enough of a warning in itself, that means you're dealing with a framework which probably does too much
15:40:19  <greweb>i've tried a few alternatives: mithril and virtual-dom. I've been not so convinced by them. React is pretty good to me, I should consider mercury the next time, but I can't lose time changing X times the tech :D focusing on getting things done on things you know is more important.
15:41:14  <greweb>if react-tools was based on existing browserify stuff, it would be ok, right?
15:41:29  <greweb>like if it was just aggregating some transformers in a consistent way
15:42:00  <yoshuawuyts4>imo: no. There should be 0 need for that in the first place.
15:42:01  <greweb>but I agree in that current release, it is not very interesting when you want to use npm modules
15:42:18  <greweb>but how do you have es6 + jsx then?
15:42:43  <greweb>it is like es6 don't understand dialect, jsx don't understand es6
15:42:56  <greweb>so who goes before who in the chain of transformations?
15:43:10  <yoshuawuyts4>idk what react-tools is to be fair, haven't touched it in a while. maybe #react can better answer your question on this one
15:43:25  <greweb>ok ;-)
15:46:30  <greweb>yoshuawuyts4: what do you personnally like? which vdom lib?
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15:57:24  <yoshuawuyts4>kind of excited about where deku is heading, I think they're getting a lot of things right.
15:59:56  <yoshuawuyts4>only concern with all these frameworks is that they're *frameworks*, wish there was a way to make them interact with each other without any lock in
16:00:07  <yoshuawuyts4>e.g. have webomponents work cross framework
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16:03:08  <mafintosh>feross: my entire day has been: function(), oops function ()
16:06:08  <mafintosh>feross: how does 'standard' feel about trailing whitespace?
16:08:45  <yoshuawuyts4>`function ()` feels strange if you're not used to it, hah
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16:18:03  <greweb>yoshuawuyts4: ok thanks, deku looks great :-)
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18:01:12  <paul_irish>thlorenz: suppp
18:01:39  <paul_irish>thlorenz: whats a good channel for us to talk more about tooling? you could come to #chrome-devtools ...
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18:02:47  <thlorenz>paul_irish: joined, also we have ngin8 to discuss any debugging related tooling for v8 + io.js
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19:33:33  <jjjohnny>mention react in here get banned
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20:10:05  <substack>react react react
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20:22:29  <thealphanerd>lol
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20:22:59  <thealphanerd>substack: does browserify magically get es6 support when you run node in harmony mode / io, or will it require refactoring down the road?
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20:27:01  <jjjohnny>you dont wanna react with these
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20:30:00  <thealphanerd>jjjohnny: hows it going?
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20:32:06  <jjjohnny>thealphanerd: well i'm live coding pretty decent algorave music
20:32:22  <thealphanerd>hawt
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20:33:50  <jjjohnny>and i have zero income or savings
20:35:34  <jjjohnny>my js dsp is technical af tho
20:36:15  <jjjohnny>horse js u can quote me
20:37:42  <thealphanerd>lol
20:37:44  <thealphanerd>WHO IS HORSE
20:38:27  <jjjohnny>AND COULD U PLS QUOTE ME I NEED THE $OCIAL CAPITAL
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20:43:29  <substack>thealphanerd: the parser already supports es6
20:43:38  <thealphanerd>!!!
20:43:39  <thealphanerd>:D
20:43:55  <substack>es6 modules are of course a completely different story, especially since there's no good interop story that isn't insanity
20:45:26  <thealphanerd>that was what I was primarily thinking about
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20:45:37  <thealphanerd>there are solutions like 6to5ify
20:45:49  <thealphanerd>but I was curious how the module stuff would work
20:46:11  <thealphanerd>but I guess that is a larger question within the node community… once harmony lands mainline, do we still support common as first class
20:46:16  <feross>mafintosh: 'standard' disallows trailing whitespace
20:50:54  <substack>es6 might end up being like c/c++
20:51:22  <substack>where c++ adds some useful things, lots of garbage, but different groups keep using both versions
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21:01:42  <thealphanerd>substack: fair enough :D We are thinking of moving famo.us to es6, so was curious what your support is looking like
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21:07:26  <substack>once es6 modules land in node/iojs core it will be a different matter, but for now it's all opt-in from browserify transforms
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21:12:14  <thealphanerd>that makes sense to me
21:12:18  <thealphanerd>es6 is in io core
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21:12:26  <thealphanerd>but I don’t think it is worth exploring until that makes it way to node
21:12:28  <thealphanerd>probably 0.12
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21:15:15  <substack>es6 modules are a different beast from the rest of es6
21:15:22  <substack>will require much more internal retooling
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21:22:16  <jjjohnny>best not to react to es6 modules
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21:26:06  <thealphanerd>substack: that was my thinking… I figured with the way you build the ast and handle transforms there would be a pretty major refactor necessary to support es6 modules natively
21:29:59  <substack>no, I would just switch on a global transform that already exists by default
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21:37:29  <alexandergugel>I'm trying to run testling on Travis CI, but it seems like it's not using PhantomJS. https://travis-ci.org/Famous/famous/builds/48387898 Did anyone experience similar problems?
21:38:46  <alexandergugel>It throws the following error: firefox --no-remote -CreateProfile browser-launcher-efb2fefa exited with code 1: Error: no display specified
21:44:50  <thealphanerd>substack: ^^^ problem we are having on our team
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21:47:09  <substack>alexandergugel: travis isn't running an x server
21:47:32  <thealphanerd>you need that for phantom?
21:47:38  <thealphanerd>they claim phantom support :S
21:48:25  <alexandergugel>http://docs.travis-ci.com/user/gui-and-headless-browsers/#Using-xvfb-to-Run-Tests-That-Require-GUI-(e.g.-a-Web-browser)
21:48:33  <alexandergugel>Can I use xvfb?
21:49:18  <alexandergugel>But they state that PhantomJS doesn't require xvfb: http://docs.travis-ci.com/user/gui-and-headless-browsers/#Using-PhantomJS
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22:01:19  <dlmanning>Is there something like ndarray that works with non-square matrices?
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22:35:21  <yoshuawuyts4>dlmanning: have you tried asking in #stackgl?
22:36:54  <dlmanning>I haven't, I wll
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23:11:50  <kumavis>Raynos: hey i've been enjoying playing with mercury, I really want to find a way to seperate the state and the channels though, I understand why you've done it this way after trying to separate them
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23:14:35  <kumavis>but you have the same coordination issue, where does the reference to the weakmap come in
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