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00:06:17  <gorhgorh>do you know solene already ?
00:07:36  <joepie91_>gorhgorh: I'm not sure, I'm terrible with names
00:07:43  <joepie91_>heh
00:08:21  <gorhgorh>ok but you d'ont know her enough to have her contact anyway, so I'll send you mines: à
00:08:28  <gorhgorh>:)
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00:09:14  <gorhgorh>she is a friend of amir and will probably host you
00:09:59  <joepie91_>gorhgorh: oh, hold on, I may know who it is
00:10:33  <joepie91_>gorhgorh: her place == large building, some families also?
00:10:52  <joepie91_>(without going into detail, obviously)
00:13:07  <gorhgorh>it changed in between but yep
00:13:36  <joepie91_>ahh, right
00:13:37  <gorhgorh>anyway we will all meet at the conf's venue friday so, we all catch up there
00:13:50  <joepie91_>alright
00:14:04  <joepie91_>I just hope I won't have to carry around my bag for too long :)
00:14:40  <gorhgorh>I'm mailing you details but paris is small and the venue is 2 mn away from the tube
00:15:15  <joepie91_>hehe yeah, and public transport is pretty cheap too
00:15:23  <joepie91_>I've found Paris pretty nice to travel through
00:15:31  <gorhgorh>yep it is
00:15:35  <gorhgorh>and it is so small
00:15:45  <joepie91_>well not to me, I'm from NL :P
00:15:48  <gorhgorh>you can do everything by feet with a bit of time
00:15:56  <gorhgorh>ahh yes good point
00:15:58  <gorhgorh>but still
00:16:05  <joepie91_>I think only Reykjavik would actually be "small" to me as a city
00:16:09  <gorhgorh>berlin / london erc etc
00:16:09  <joepie91_>aside from Dutch places
00:16:12  <joepie91_>it's all perspective
00:16:14  <joepie91_>yeah, true
00:16:53  <gorhgorh>but still i mean you can cross the city by feet
00:17:09  <gorhgorh>this is smell enought to me
00:17:13  <gorhgorh>small
00:17:18  <joepie91_>I guess :P
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00:21:53  <joepie91_>gorhgorh: question... if dodgy wifi is a problem, have you considered picking up a cheap wifi repeater somewhere?
00:22:00  <joepie91_>that should make it significantly more reliable
00:22:16  <joepie91_>and they cost almost nothing nowadays
00:23:25  <joepie91_>I mean, it'd probably still be slow if you're eg. leeching off a wifi AP that's a while away, but having a lot of clients on a low-signal connection bogs it down very fast, whereas with a repeated it'd just be slow but still reliable
00:23:37  <joepie91_>rather than just dropping out all the time
00:25:38  <gorhgorh>tbh for the moment it will even be wifi less
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00:26:02  <joepie91_>aw, right
00:26:12  <joepie91_>gorhgorh: how are you doing the connection for the speakers?
00:26:26  <gorhgorh>simcard on french dataz fre plan
00:26:35  <gorhgorh>4g in paris is coool :)
00:26:58  <joepie91_>gorhgorh: is it unmetered or with a data cap?
00:27:21  <gorhgorh>depends on the plans
00:27:51  <joepie91_>if the traffic usage doesn't matter, I have an Android phone that I use for testing stuff I develop (daily usage for me is just a brickphone), and it can act as a reasonably reliable wifi AP when you give it a SIM card
00:27:54  <gorhgorh>most of them reduce bandwith afet 3go / month
00:28:32  <joepie91_>right
00:28:34  <gorhgorh>cool, we can do meshed neworks of pghopnes yep :)
00:28:45  <joepie91_>gorhgorh: should I take my Android with me then?
00:28:46  <joepie91_>:)
00:28:53  <gorhgorh>definitly
00:29:05  <joepie91_>even if we don't have power, on a full charge it should manage to be a wifi AP for about a day or so
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00:29:12  <joepie91_>so it should work out useful
00:29:23  <joepie91_>and since I have a brickphone for daily use, I don't need it myself when I'm there
00:29:31  <joepie91_>so :D
00:29:36  * joepie91_will pack it
00:29:49  <gorhgorh>=)
00:30:03  <joepie91_>I guess I'll also pack my usual plethora of cables from everything to everything
00:30:50  <gorhgorh>(i undersand why you don't want to carry your bag then
00:30:57  <joepie91_>hehe
00:31:02  <joepie91_>I'll be taking a hiking backpack
00:31:05  <joepie91_>I tend to pack rather... completely
00:31:27  <joepie91_>and it pays off :P
00:31:59  <joepie91_>was in London not too long ago, staying at a squat, somebody went "oh my charger is gone, does somebody have some random old connector Samsung phone charger"
00:32:14  <joepie91_>happened to have a travel USB adapter and a USB-to-everything cable
00:32:15  <joepie91_>etc
00:32:35  <joepie91_>so I generally just pack anything that could possibly end up being useful
00:33:09  <joepie91_>I'll also pack my AAA-battery-to-USB-charger :P
00:33:27  <joepie91_>anything else I should absolutely not forget to pack?
00:41:31  <gorhgorh>not that i would think of
00:42:13  <joepie91_>alright
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05:12:28  <joepie91_>PSA: critical OpenVZ container break-out vuln found in RHEL6 kernel + simfs, patch available, vzfs/ploop not affected
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07:39:44  <noffle>any recommendations for a tiny http router module?
07:46:05  <substack>routes
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13:13:01  <domanic>sorribas, mafintosh on my way over...
13:13:15  <mafintosh>domanic: cool
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14:25:25  <Surplus>Hey! So paris is freakishly expensive. And I would only need some floor space (1.75xThin) lol. I can give you my FB do u can see I'm no sociopath lol. Can anyone help meEeEe not spend too much? =)
14:26:18  <Surplus>So*
14:28:07  <Surplus>Any parisienne? :)
14:29:10  <rom1504>Surplus: https://www.airbnb.fr/
14:29:30  <rom1504>and you don't have to live in Paris itself, it's less expensive outside
14:29:35  <Surplus>Lol yes i can
14:30:50  <Surplus>If im trying couchsurf first Light as well try here i reckon
14:31:00  <Surplus>Might*
14:31:16  <Surplus>Thanks
14:32:15  <Surplus>Moreover i was going for 4 days or so since i dont know the center
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17:13:37  <ogd>substack: any rooms in hackistan available from nov 16th - nov 20th?
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17:34:02  <substack>ogd: sure, I'll be in paris so you can just stay in my room
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18:20:04  <ogd>substack: SWEET!
18:21:27  <domanic>ircretary, tell Surplus to join talk to gorhgorh and to join #squatconf
18:21:27  <ircretary>domanic: I'll be sure to tell surplus
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18:38:57  <domanic>Raynos, hey are you aware of any significant projects that are using mercury (apart from phoenix?)
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18:51:01  <Raynos>domanic: a few people in #virtualdom are using it
18:51:10  <Raynos>i cant point you to any large open source code
18:51:29  <Raynos>domanic: however the virtual-dom module that I build mercury on top of is used by elm-html and mozilla and other people
18:51:29  <domanic>Raynos, actually I can point YOU to some
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18:51:50  <domanic>because it's in phoenix
18:52:58  <Raynos>:)
18:54:21  <domanic>substack, ogd we need a "proudly lebron stack" png badge
18:54:28  <domanic>or websites and readmes
18:54:32  <ogd>'this module is a slam dunk'
18:56:24  <domanic>also we need lebron stack branded trainers
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23:01:29  <domanic>nathan7,
23:01:30  <domanic>yo
23:02:44  <nathan7>domanic: yo
23:03:05  <domanic>nathan7, I have someone who wants to talk to you that is also comming to squatconf from holland
23:03:12  <substack>domanic: I'll have a CORS url loader up for hyperboot soon
23:03:13  * joepie91_reads this conversation from both sides
23:03:18  <joepie91_>:)
23:03:18  <substack>as per your github issue
23:03:55  <domanic>substack, SWEET this is gonna kick ass!
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23:04:17  <substack>domanic: and also a homescreenish kind of thing you can add icons to
23:04:44  <substack>all with independent versioning, then I'll have an option to import and export the entire state of the homescreen
23:04:55  * joepie91_points AaronvanW at nathan7
23:04:59  <domanic>hahaha you have to have a "trash" bin in the corner
23:05:12  <nathan7>domanic: is it joepie91_? q=
23:05:13  <substack>which will mean you can encrypt your homescreen and all your apps with AES256 and throw it on a server of your choosing
23:05:25  <nathan7>oh
23:05:25  <domanic>nathan7, no it's AaronvanW
23:05:26  <nathan7>hi AaronvanW!
23:05:29  <joepie91_>:P
23:05:29  <substack>then restore from that blob anywhere else
23:05:37  <nathan7>I'm not sure how I can be useful
23:06:21  <AaronvanW>hi nathan7
23:06:28  <nathan7>it is my opinion that AES is more a brand than a cryptographic algorithm, substack
23:06:35  <nathan7>I'd rather use Salsa20 these days
23:07:17  <nathan7>AES is an inelegant beast, with many implementations vulnerable to side-channel attacks on the key schedule
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23:09:13  <domanic>nathan7 is througherly of the djb > nist school of cryptography
23:09:24  <nathan7>yep
23:09:38  <nathan7>the NIST standardised funky curves
23:09:40  <domanic>which is probably the correct one
23:09:54  <nathan7>that had only one reasonable explanation: a certain three-letter agency
23:10:34  <nathan7>the NIST is an institution (ab)used to aggressively push the NSA's choice of cryptographic algorithms, imho
23:10:55  <domanic>damn National TLA Organizations
23:10:57  <nathan7>and since we can't *tell* why the NSA is picking particular odd things, few explanations remain
23:11:31  <nathan7>but I'm also definitely a huge DJB fanboy
23:11:40  <nathan7>Salsa20 is *elegant* to implement
23:12:01  <substack>is there an npm package for it that also works in the browser?
23:12:09  <nathan7>and the most elegant, obvious implementation is also the correct, secure one
23:12:12  <nathan7>free of side-channel attacks
23:12:25  <nathan7>substack: not sure
23:12:31  <nathan7>substack: I could write you one, but not today
23:12:48  <nathan7>I have a Rust implementation I wrote that's quite concise and clear
23:12:54  <nathan7>and I believe it to be correct
23:12:55  <substack>this one looks like it will work https://github.com/calvinmetcalf/salsa20/blob/master/index.js
23:13:23  <joepie91_>[00:12] <nathan7> and the most elegant, obvious implementation is also the correct, secure one
23:13:29  <joepie91_>this is probably the most important bit, imo
23:13:34  <joepie91_>easy to do the right thing
23:13:35  <nathan7>yep
23:13:38  <joepie91_>not just in security
23:13:42  <joepie91_>and crypto
23:13:44  <joepie91_>but just in general
23:13:49  <nathan7>DJB's C is indecipherable, so I wrote a Rust impl as a starter
23:13:50  <joepie91_>it should always be easy to do the right thing :P
23:13:58  <nathan7>because I was writing a hardware implementation
23:14:12  <nathan7>I need to redo that in Verilog, MyHDL is terrible
23:14:26  <nathan7>I wanted to have a VHDL version too and I refuse to write VHDL
23:14:49  <joepie91_>nathan7: PM for a sec
23:16:04  <substack>nathan7: thanks, I'll use salsa20. this implementation looks good too
23:16:11  <nathan7>substack: C=
23:16:39  <nathan7>substack: my only nit is https://github.com/calvinmetcalf/salsa20/blob/master/index.js#L37
23:17:25  <nathan7>substack: other than that, the code looks absolutely fine
23:18:09  <nathan7>substack: I'd have initialised it to null, so that the JIT knows that it's always a fixed-size array (or null)
23:18:35  <nathan7>substack: and trying to use it without a key would throw instead of failing silently
23:18:50  <nathan7>ah, wait, they call setKey immediately
23:19:14  <nathan7>still a silly way to initialise it, but JITs probably pick up the object shape algright
23:23:27  <wa7son>rvagg: In abstract-leveldown the tests sometimes tests that there’s no error using t.notOk(err, ’no error’). Would it be ok if I made a PR changing it to t.error(err) ?
23:23:48  <wa7son>It outputs better errors when running tests
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23:43:52  <rvagg>wa7son: yep, the just need to be both tap and tape compatible. I think t.ifError() might be best?
23:44:14  <wa7son>ah ok… will make sure it is
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