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07:42:29  <jjjohnny>substack: v1.1.0 of the demo hyperboot app flashes rapidly but does noy have the warning, can u please change that version?
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07:45:13  <substack>jjjohnny: versions are permanent
07:46:15  <jjjohnny>but substack that one has fast flashing lights and no warning
07:46:24  <jjjohnny>our users will be baffled
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07:47:52  <substack>jjjohnny: it's not possible to go back and change versions
07:48:51  <jjjohnny>nyuk nyuk nyuk
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07:54:48  <substack>https://github.com/substack/hyperboot-example-app
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08:07:32  <jjjohnny>MODULARITY SAYS THE CORRECT PROGRAM FOR THIS PROBLEM IS A WRITE ONLY DATABASE
08:07:32  <LOUDBOT>ORALLY PERHAPS, OR WITH SOME SANDPAPER AND A BOTTLE OF VODKA
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08:08:09  <substack>jjjohnny: well it's just like how npm works
08:08:12  <jjjohnny>YES TAKEN ONE EVERY 20 NANOSECONDS
08:08:13  <LOUDBOT>I WILL LEVERAGE MY RIGHTEOUS FURY INTO QUALITY HACKING TIME
08:08:14  <substack>you can only publish new versions
08:08:54  <jjjohnny>i was making a joke, substack, making a jokse LIKE A BOSS
08:09:00  <substack>ah right
08:09:32  <jjjohnny>the write only database thing is no joke tho, that is pure brilliance
08:10:20  <terinjokes>jjjohnny: your unix computer comes with one
08:11:13  <terinjokes>echo 'path!to!the!correct!subtree!key|value' > /dev/null
08:11:14  <jjjohnny>did somebody say jokes?
08:11:20  <jjjohnny>haha
08:11:41  <terinjokes>pretty sure you could get that working with levelup pretty quickly
08:11:45  <jjjohnny>i was gonna say delete/recycle bin but i knew it wasnt unix enuf
08:12:19  <substack>write only databases are the only kind of database that won't delete your data
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08:13:26  <jjjohnny>substack: but u cant read it so how do you know?
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08:13:50  <jjjohnny>this is a CS paradox, i found one
08:14:06  <substack>reading is just an optional feature you can get
08:14:23  <substack>you can purchase it from a trusted purveyor of fine databases as an after market add-on
08:14:49  <jjjohnny>free storage get yours
08:17:36  <substack>the internet is already a write-only database
08:17:55  <substack>everything you write gets stored in data centers in maryland or utah
08:18:04  <substack>you just can't get it back out again
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08:22:03  <jjjohnny>jones big ass storage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0gb9v4LI4o
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08:29:11  <owen1>substack: i like the idea of https://github.com/substack/html-inline is it being used somewhere? is that your version of 'components'?
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08:30:31  <owen1>yeah
08:31:16  <substack>owen1: I'm just using it for hyperboot
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08:31:40  <substack>so that I can just ship around a single html file
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08:32:43  <owen1>ok. is hyperboot suppose to be a generic scaffolding for offline-first app?
08:33:51  <owen1>a wrapper on top of the horrific Application Cache?
08:34:07  <jjjohnny>substack: jk i dont care about css imports
08:35:56  <owen1>i heard horror stories from App cache, and service workers suppose to solve some of the issues with it. but it's going to take some time to get adopted.
08:35:59  <jjjohnny>css imports are hella stupid if u think about it, since css cant reference css
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08:36:22  <jjjohnny>owen1: app cache is fine if you design yr shit accordingly
08:37:06  <jjjohnny>service workers is kinda crazy, its like app cache / offline life preserver for the old AJAX websites
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08:37:35  <jjjohnny>might work out ok since its gonna be a DOM method tho, so thats cool
08:38:37  <jjjohnny>livecad.wtf
08:38:43  <jjjohnny>http://livecad.wtf
08:39:27  <substack>owen1: yes, it's all just wrappers on top of applicationCache but also does the server-side delivery since that's hard to do precisely correct
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08:40:57  <owen1>substack: so the motivation to build it is to create something easier to work with when u want some offline capabilities?
08:45:31  <substack>owen1: it's more that applicationCache is a means to the objectives listed on hyperboot.org
08:46:03  <substack>which is primarily about removing the attack vector with browser crypto where the server can decide to send a different payload whenever it wants
08:46:18  <substack>that everything works offline is a happy bonus
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08:51:09  <jjjohnny>RIP AJAX
08:51:09  <LOUDBOT>OH HAI, CPAN THIRD OV YUR TEST REPORTS BELONG TO ME.
08:51:26  <jjjohnny>hyperboot is the NPM for apps
08:51:51  <jjjohnny>web apps
08:52:04  <jjjohnny>apps that connect to each other
08:52:26  <jjjohnny>via a network of tubes
08:52:57  <jjjohnny>these tubes are filled with microtubes
08:53:24  <jjjohnny>microtubes look like hairs
08:53:41  <jjjohnny>the internet if tubes looks like up your nose
08:54:08  <jjjohnny>the microtubes run perpendicular to the macro tubes
08:54:58  <jjjohnny>thus the view down an inter tube looks like spoke wheel
08:55:13  <jjjohnny>a spoked wheel animated by the ghost of salvador dali
08:55:59  <jjjohnny>that is the fundamentally the view of the "internet of webs", or the "web all the things" meme
08:56:53  <jjjohnny>i am a spider that is not a spider but all spiders, and you are swine
08:57:08  <jjjohnny>that is why I can tell you these things, pig
08:57:45  <jjjohnny>and why you better believe them, hog, before your time starts cooking
08:58:37  <jjjohnny>here let me spin your a story
08:59:00  <jjjohnny>its called the story of the facts i delivered to your moments ago
08:59:16  <jjjohnny>and i shall spin it into a single image
08:59:33  <jjjohnny>i will summon the web formula
08:59:42  <jjjohnny>looks at my web
09:00:05  <jjjohnny>thats is what it looks like down an internet tubes the long way
09:00:50  <jjjohnny>this is a two dimension image, you see, this web is an isomorph
09:01:42  <jjjohnny>well, a 2d image broken into fractal animation by the wind of the ghost of dali
09:01:58  <jjjohnny>do you smell thunder, swine?
09:03:05  * jjjohnnycalls this story charletans' webs'
09:04:19  <jjjohnny>which can be logically translated to the contents of those webs
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09:23:05  <jjjohnny>LOUDBOT IS MY SIRI
09:23:05  <LOUDBOT>CURRENT STATUS: SUFFERING FROM EXTREME MEMORY OVER-COMMIT DISEASE
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09:29:27  <substack>domanic: demo is up! http://demo.hyperboot.org/
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09:44:40  <n3b_>O_O
09:47:25  <owen1>after playing a bit with hyperboot, i am not sure if i understand the usecase. it's looks like it's meant for app developers to let their users control what version of the app they want to use. why would i want a user to use anything but the recent version of my app?
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09:48:55  <substack>owen1: because you could push any code whatsoever to end users
09:49:00  <substack>including malicious code
09:49:32  <substack>if your app uses browser crypto, that means you can compromise your users keys the next time they load the page
09:50:01  <substack>also, you could push updates that annoy users and they would want to use the older version
09:50:17  <substack>it's all the same reasons why you might want to use an old version of a library from npm
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09:51:27  <owen1>ah. so you're brining npm but for web apps
09:51:46  <owen1>at least the versioning aspect
09:51:56  <substack>it's very different in many other ways to npm
09:52:01  <substack>but it has versioning that users control
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11:35:55  <juliangruber>substack i enjoy working with hyperstream et al on the server so much!
11:36:03  <juliangruber>now i don't even need to look at web pages any more
11:36:22  <juliangruber>when refactoring i just `node example.js > before.html` and then i use diff(1) to see if things changes
11:36:24  <juliangruber>d
11:36:25  <juliangruber>so good!
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11:41:15  <substack>juliangruber: how were you doing that stuff before?
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12:07:24  <juliangruber>substack you mean which modules?
12:07:55  <juliangruber>i mean yeah i could have used curl and a server too
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12:50:26  <domanic>jjjohnny, I want a new symbol language, like chinese, or egyptian that maps to concepts not words, except with emoji
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15:58:32  <pfraze>domanic_, jjjohnny :+1: emojilang
15:59:49  <domanic_>maybe it could be implemented as a game, where you must communicate (charades) with other players, but only with emoji.
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15:59:56  <domanic_>players must create their own language
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16:03:19  <pfraze>oh yeah, I love that idea
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17:07:53  <domanic_>substack, if you use level-sublevel/bytewise, then you don't need to encode the keys as bytewise - that just encodes them twice
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18:46:36  <airportyh>ogd: also additional documentation over here https://github.com/browserify-search/scripts. You'll probably have ideas on how to integrate the mongo data dumps with dat.
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