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11:15:48  <jjjohnny>im currently giving one of my processor cores a workout
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15:03:41  <substack>yo
15:04:12  <mercerist>so what's this place here
15:04:23  <substack>it's like the node.js chillout lounge
15:04:33  <substack>slash browserify slash crazy mad science
15:04:45  <mercerist>great
15:04:47  <mercerist>so
15:05:50  <mercerist>I'm starting on a new project for which I've been tasked to do the front-end. long-term I believe React plus perhaps flux or some similar approach is best. however, we're limited on time and I have limited experience, so taking the time to figure it all out is not really possible.
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15:06:46  <mercerist>the solution that seems most pragmatic to me, for now (the initial, relatively limited app to show to the investor(s)), is to let the back-ender do his thing (with symfony) and provide him with the markup I want, and then to (mostly) just load html snippets
15:06:49  <substack>Raynos has been working on a thing https://github.com/raynos/mercury
15:06:52  <mercerist>bit like how the basecamp guys do it
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15:07:12  <substack>it's very ala-carte, should be super easy to pick the pieces you need and ignore the rest
15:07:17  <mercerist>aha
15:07:26  <mercerist>I think this works because the app is relatively component-ized and not so complex for now
15:07:49  <mercerist>and I figure I can relatively easily swap out more complicated elements with react.js modules later on
15:08:16  <mercerist>my main concern at this point is how to structure the logic that retrieves the relevant html 'snippets'/partials
15:08:50  <mercerist>is there any sort of standard approach for this, perhaps a light event-based framework?
15:09:02  <mercerist>err, by standard I mean popular
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15:09:41  <mercerist>if the app gets more complicated I can swap out the partials with react goodness, and upgrade to flux(xor) or similar non-mvc approach
15:09:57  <mercerist>(mercury looks nice, btw)
15:10:27  <substack>it's pretty common to inline them with a browserify transform
15:10:55  <mercerist>inline react components, you mean
15:11:05  <substack>fetching partials
15:11:25  <mercerist>too many of them, and many are loaded on-demand
15:11:57  <mercerist>basically the back-ender takes care of most logic, which is why for the most part (global) events would suffice for now, and minimal dom-manipulation
15:12:13  <substack>oh that's harder
15:12:40  <mercerist>basically I'd fetch a partial, and attach some basic events to the root element
15:12:43  <substack>if you get html back, you can use domify to turn them into html elements
15:12:53  * merceristlooks into domify
15:13:11  <substack>once you have an element you can do elem.querySelector() to fetch sub-elements and attach listeners or whatever
15:13:19  <mercerist>ah yeah
15:13:40  <substack>https://github.com/substack/browserify-handbook#reusable-components
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15:14:03  <substack>covers the basics of that approach, just swap out the part that talks about brfs with something that loads the html fragments over xhr instead
15:14:31  <mercerist>ah yes! thanks. I read that a while back but forgot about it.
15:15:05  <mercerist>I might have to settle for jQuery just so new front-enders can get up to speed quicker though :-/
15:15:48  <substack>you can let them read this: http://substack.net/weaning_yourself_off_jquery
15:15:54  <mercerist>haha
15:16:12  <mercerist>we can target ie8 and up, so that's nice
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15:19:47  <mercerist>hmm, I suppose it would make sense to treat the 'chunks' of html coming down as widgets, and that way organize the html chunks and it's events
15:20:41  <mercerist>so instead of defining an Article and an array of Articles, I'd rather leave most of the html construction up to the back-end (since that guys seems to want to do it that way), and have a separate ArticleList object that retrieves a known chunk of html articles and attaches the proper events to that (which should not be many)
15:20:54  <mercerist>although that seems an odd approach
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15:21:10  <mercerist>I should re-read how they did this for basecamp...
15:21:21  <substack>you could just loop over the articles from the response if they come in a list
15:21:30  <substack>and create the Article wrappers individually
15:22:08  <mercerist>yeah, if an Article has enough going on inside that, that would make sense
15:22:15  <substack>var root = domify(html); [].slice.call(root.querySelectorAll('.article')).forEach(function (elem) { Article(elem).appendTo('#articles') })
15:22:18  <mercerist>so I'd basically separate the article list into articles
15:22:18  <substack>something like that
15:22:20  <mercerist>yeah
15:22:23  <mercerist>good idea!
15:22:33  <mercerist>I should probably do that from the staart
15:22:35  <mercerist>*start
15:23:06  <mercerist>I guess my approach will be a bit like this: https://signalvnoise.com/posts/3112-how-basecamp-next-got-to-be-so-damn-fast-without-using-much-client-side-ui
15:23:15  <mercerist>much as I'd like to go all fancy on their asses
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16:10:16  <jjjohnny>is there a way to know if two process are running in the same thread?
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16:34:15  <domanic>jjjohnny, that is not how processes work - what are you trying to do?
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16:40:03  <jjjohnny>domanic: ensure that the two node processes i run are on different CPUs
16:40:42  <domanic>jjjohnny, the os decides whether & when to do that
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16:44:46  <jjjohnny>domanic: i know but i figured if I could deduce it somehow, I would kill a process and restart it until I knew it was on another thread
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16:46:36  <jjjohnny>btw javascript developers, you can get unlimited precision arithmetic by shelling out to linux command "dc"
16:47:07  <domanic>jjjohnny, okay well the real question is: can you measure the difference?
16:47:08  <jjjohnny>aks me how i discovered it
16:47:48  <jjjohnny>domanic: possibly with while loops, but I don't want to rigorously test a process I'm trying to start
16:48:22  <domanic>jjjohnny, why do you think your processes are running on the same cpu?
16:50:58  <jjjohnny>wells
16:51:14  <jjjohnny>i havent tested rilly
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16:52:03  <jjjohnny>but what would be the point of say running two process on a 2 vCPU VPS
16:52:21  <jjjohnny>one a web server, the other a level db proxy
16:53:09  <jjjohnny>on my home machine it doesnt matter much, but on a mobile device sized slize...
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16:58:22  <jjjohnny>im being hypothetical but real talk
16:59:19  <jjjohnny>we may end up with 1000 core chips
16:59:29  <jjjohnny>1024 core probs
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17:59:05  <mikolalysenko>jjjohnny: we already have 1024 core+ chips in GPUs
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20:50:48  <andrewdeandrade>substack: with respect to your tape nested tests, is there any reason why you didn't go with Ovid's nested TAP format where tests are indented and a new plan is presented for each subtest suite?
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20:54:07  <andrewdeandrade>http://blogs.perl.org/users/ovid/2014/03/perlqa-hackathon-in-lyon---day-1.html
20:56:40  <andrewdeandrade>that implementation is fairly new, but the original approach to nesting tap tests was discussed back in 2009. per guarav, it hasn't yet made it into v13 and the ietf proposal (tap@ietf.org has been quiet for an awful long time. I'm currently checking on what's up there).
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20:57:48  <andrewdeandrade>https://github.com/Ovid/tap-stream
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21:29:13  <jjjohnny>protip: the repl will hobble yr code
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21:32:13  <jjjohnny>nope that was me hobbling my code
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21:45:30  <pfraze>still, blame the repl
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21:49:05  <jjjohnny>pfraze: unjust like the hamburglar, whom society cannot even afford to feed $.49 value of food
21:49:35  <jjjohnny>the repl is like I only have one process but i have to feed all these codez!
21:49:57  <jjjohnny>GET ANOTHER PROCESS, HIPPY REPL!
21:49:57  <LOUDBOT>OH NO HE'S BACK QUICK GET IN THE CAR
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21:53:38  <pfraze>haha
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22:15:42  <jjjohnny>question, if I am using high precision floats that may nake up 3 digits in front of the decimal, how do incr and decr the smallest value possible without causing a floating point error? GO
22:15:54  <jjjohnny>s/nake/take
22:16:43  <jjjohnny>i suppose normalizing the range to 0-.99999999999999
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22:27:14  <jjjohnny>type the following into yr repl
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22:27:56  <jjjohnny>1 - 1e-16.toFixed(20).length
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22:30:55  <jjjohnny>oh i see what i did there
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22:52:33  <domanic>jcrugzz, hey twitter css is broke for me
22:53:22  <jcrugzz>domanic: oh twitter. regular text protocols still win
22:54:00  <jcrugzz>well im still at the office currently. we got some couches if you want to chill and hack or we could go out somewhere
22:54:05  <jcrugzz>whatever works
22:57:31  <domanic>jcrugzz, oh where is your office? I'm getting hungryish now
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22:57:49  <jcrugzz>domanic: 16th and 5th ave
22:58:08  <jcrugzz>basically 2 stops on the F train
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