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00:09:13  <defunctzombie>substack: done in v1.3.2
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00:09:55  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: I am still kinda shocked this happened. TJ has not been a maintainer for a long time. This is what we get for not getting control of the express repo sooner
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01:55:48  <ahdinosaur>defunctzombie: regarding the express repo moving to strongloop, that's bullshit for a corp to "own" a community repo so they can look better.
01:56:04  <defunctzombie>yea, not a single person approves of this
01:56:21  <ahdinosaur>i support a fork, but since that's expensive, maybe more people should threaten a fork
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02:05:10  <ahdinosaur>"oh, there are people here? well i own this land so i make the rules." it's an interesting case of project sovereignty.
02:10:03  <guybrush>its TJ's repo he can do what ever he wants (just my opinion), also its MIT just fork it
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02:10:22  <guybrush>theres no need to "threaten" it
02:10:27  <Raynos>if you fork it give it a new funny name
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02:10:48  <Raynos>Vote with your feet
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02:12:16  <guybrush>really i know noone gives a shit about my opinion :D but i think its cool that strongloop invests into maintaining it (like real money behind it and stuff)
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02:14:40  <ahdinosaur>lol Raynos
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02:17:42  <Raynos>guybrush: they will add such useful features as "better error handling with strongloop zones"
02:17:47  <Raynos>:D:D:D:D
02:18:00  <guybrush>oh i cant wait to use that
02:18:04  <ednapiranha>ButtXpressJS
02:18:16  <ednapiranha>does anyone know what dominic tarr's pub key chat thing is called?
02:19:23  <guybrush>hm maybe you mean substack's cipherhub?
02:19:36  <ednapiranha>is it that?
02:19:37  <ednapiranha>hmm
02:19:39  <Raynos>or better integration with the strong-oracle driver using `app.db`
02:19:40  <guybrush>https://github.com/substack/cipherhub
02:19:44  <guybrush>im not sure maybe :>
02:19:57  <ednapiranha>hmm no
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02:24:07  <ahdinosaur>ednapiranha: https://github.com/dominictarr/secure-scuttlebutt?
02:24:09  <ednapiranha>ah. secure-scuttlebutt
02:24:10  <ednapiranha>yes
02:24:11  <ednapiranha>:)
02:24:13  <ednapiranha>just found it
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02:26:01  <ahdinosaur>Raynos: can't tell if serious
02:26:17  <Raynos>ahdinosaur: dude, getting good oracle support is so hard.
02:26:43  <Raynos></troll>
02:27:23  <ahdinosaur>:)
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02:30:23  <guybrush>wtf who's idea was it to nest all the things in subdirectories in java?
02:30:51  <guybrush>src/foo/bar/java/fr/blub/meh/bla.java omg
02:32:48  <ahdinosaur>namespacing
02:33:12  <guybrush>i_can_namespace_withoutUsingSubdirectories
02:34:24  <guybrush>they could do it like that: /m/y/s/u/p/e/r/p/r/o/j/e/c/t.java
02:35:02  <guybrush>it would solve all the namespacing-problems :D
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02:38:29  <Raynos>guybrush: imagine you had folders like npm
02:38:44  <Raynos>so it would be `org/npmjs/registry/code`
02:38:53  <Raynos>this is how you should maintain all your code
02:39:18  <guybrush>hm yes recently i really fell in love with golang
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02:42:28  <guybrush>npm was a revolution once it introduced local packages everywhere, but somehow i think everyone needs to rethink the nested directories
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02:43:01  <guybrush>i mean it really works great but it would be better to have node_modules/moduleX/versionY
02:43:56  <guybrush>and with go i can do that really easy (though the whole community and everything does not use semver..)
02:44:40  <guybrush>but i like that go's `import` does not force you to do things in a specific way
02:45:23  <guybrush>i think they really embrace the idea to use tools to actually write (or alter) code
02:47:06  <guybrush>anyway, not having semver feels really bad
02:47:17  <guybrush>i mean you can do semver but the whole community isnt :D
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02:51:18  <guybrush>and without semver its very hard to maintain lots of tiny modules (or packages..)
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02:58:07  <ahdinosaur>mmckegg: yo
02:58:53  <mmckegg>ahdinosaur: hey!
02:59:38  <mmckegg>I'm implementing ftp woo! well might as well be.
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03:02:43  <mmckegg>ahdinosaur: once this is done, then all of the important pieces are in place for Loop Drop to work over the network
03:06:30  <defunctzombie>guybrush: TJ has not been a maintainer for a long time, he had the repo under his account cause we never moved it
03:06:48  <defunctzombie>guybrush: but to say that this is now "his" codebase completely ignores the actual contributions of the current maintainers
03:06:57  <defunctzombie>he was paid, simple as that
03:07:22  <ahdinosaur>mmckegg: sweet :)
03:08:36  <ahdinosaur>we need more developer coops
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03:08:53  <guybrush>defunctzombie: :/
03:09:58  <mmckegg>ahdinosaur: no hashing at this stage, only the owner can send the file. The server will cache though, so you only have to send the file once.
03:10:01  <guybrush>but still i think its wrong to blame TJ or anyone for anything, all that counts is that its MIT
03:10:39  <ahdinosaur>guybrush: it's cheap to fork code, expensive to fork communities
03:11:11  <guybrush>hm yes
03:12:29  <guybrush>anyway i think that this is a problem because of npm
03:12:38  <guybrush>since its not distributed
03:13:21  <guybrush>if there were multiple npms noone would care about anyone forking or lead-maintaining anything..
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03:13:50  <guybrush>like with git i just can depend on multiple urls (fallbacks...)
03:14:14  <guybrush>as long as i can depend on ah commit-sha1
03:14:53  <ahdinosaur>mmckegg: cool. i look forward to jamming tomorrow
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03:25:18  <defunctzombie>guybrush: no, this is a problem because there was a community and it was basically "sold" without asking the community
03:25:31  <defunctzombie>the people that actually write and maintain the code are the "owners" now
03:26:32  <guybrush>sure, i think you have all rights to complain (as one who contributed a lot)
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03:30:10  <guybrush>also i really understand your opinion :D but still TJ can do whatever he wants with the repo and noone stops the community (current maintainers) to just fork
03:30:39  <chapel>and I think they should
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03:49:37  <misterinterrupt>problem for me is I don't write C
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18:24:51  <knownasilya>so anyone know how to exit nested tests with tape? After tests finish it just hangs
18:25:40  <calvinmetcalf>t.plan()
18:29:03  <calvinmetcalf>I'm sitting next to him
18:29:10  <calvinmetcalf>helping him debug
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19:21:26  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/11.0
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19:44:27  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.171.229(dev-ie6-2)
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19:48:52  <mafintosh>domanic: https://github.com/dominictarr/signed-varint/pull/1
19:49:19  <domanic>mafintosh, thank you
19:50:25  <mafintosh>domanic: latest version of my protocol-buffers module follows the .encode/.decode/.encodingLength scheme so it should be compatible with varstruct and friends
19:50:40  <domanic>mafintosh, SWEET!
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19:51:32  <domanic>mafintosh, merged into 2.0.0
19:51:46  <mafintosh>domanic: cool thanks
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20:35:10  <substack>domanic: I was running into some issues with keyEncodings on sublevel but found a work-around
20:35:22  <substack>I'll be sending a patch soon
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20:37:03  <domanic>substack, yeah I've been finding some stuff with that too
20:37:10  <domanic>substack, what is the issue?
20:37:46  <substack>createReadStream() was returning encoding errors or no data when I was using bytewise
20:38:04  <substack>when doing db.sublevel({ keyEncoding: bytewise })
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20:38:24  <substack>it wasn't converting the keys with the keyEncoding
20:38:36  <substack>so I had to do that manually
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20:38:52  <substack>but get() and put() seemed to work ok
20:40:34  <domanic>substack, okay yeah, I'm having that problem this morning too
20:40:56  <domanic>the way that sublevel@6 handles prefixes it has a prefix encoding
20:41:20  <domanic>which just gets passed a key as an array: [[path, to, sublevel], key]
20:41:35  <domanic>then that is encoded with the precodec
20:42:11  <domanic>so, it should *just work* with bytewise, so if you set bytewise precodec on sublevel then it will work with any js object as a key.
20:42:45  <domanic>well, it *should* work - that is the idea at least
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21:36:13  <ogd>hij1nx: hey are you still up for a level-replication hangout sometime?
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22:10:50  <domanic>substack, okay I've updated level-sublevel to 6.2.1, see if that works for bytewise keys.
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22:11:48  <domanic>oh yeah, use require('level-sublevel/bytewise') to get bytewise encoding for keys.
22:11:55  <domanic>that is ALL keys
22:12:48  <domanic>if you want to use bytewise on a single sublevel, that is not implemented yet, because the basic encoding patterns still use strings
22:13:25  <domanic>trouble with binary keys is that you'll still need to escape them to get the order correct
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22:31:27  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.56.27.70(dev-ie6-1)
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23:34:58  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.72.32(free10)
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23:49:00  <mikolalysenko>this video is great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ5_u8Lgvyk
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23:50:27  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.174.105(dev-ie8-2)
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23:57:41  <mikolalysenko>substack ogd et al, lots of great ideas on code reusability
23:58:11  <mikolalysenko>reminds me of voxel.js with three.js integration
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