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04:19:16  <Wraithan>If I could get some retweets on this, I'd appreciate it: https://twitter.com/Wraithan/status/486724761133658112
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05:04:09  <feross>Wraithan, defunctzombie_zz: filed an issue: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/7914
05:09:00  <Wraithan>chrisdickinson: ^
05:10:29  <chrisdickinson>excellent timing!
05:10:41  <Wraithan>chrisdickinson: yeah, figured you'd be interested
05:11:02  * Wraithangoes back to heavily using object streams for his irc parser
05:12:11  <chrisdickinson>Wraithan: i have no karmabot, but i must !m
05:12:27  <Wraithan>oh, did I take my bot out of here?
05:12:32  <Wraithan>I must have
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05:12:49  <Wraithan>!m feross and chrisdickinson
05:12:50  <ZenWraithBot>You're doing great work feross and chrisdickinson!
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05:14:45  <feross>ZenWraithBot: hi there
05:15:31  <Wraithan>feross: ZenWraithBot is my pet robot
05:15:46  <Wraithan>he follows me into channels usually, but he didn't end up in here
05:15:52  <Wraithan>so I had to go find him
05:17:03  <feross>i just use irccloud so i am my own pet robot
05:17:26  <feross>if you mention feross when i'm offline, i'll just see it when i'm back online
05:17:42  <feross>is that what ZenWraithBot does?
05:18:03  <Wraithan>No, I stay connected all the time using weechat in a tmux session (and znc)
05:18:25  <Wraithan>my robot mostly just encourages or discourages people, and has a few private features that access my calendar and such
05:18:40  <chrisdickinson>(motivate = !m, demotivate = !dm)
05:20:09  <chrisdickinson>http://motivate.im, also
05:20:24  <Wraithan>Forgot about that site
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05:21:09  <Wraithan>Most of the bots have a specific channel, mine doesn't since it is in like 25
05:22:13  <feross>!m Wraithan chrisdickinson
05:22:14  <ZenWraithBot>You're doing great work Wraithan chrisdickinson!
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05:22:46  <feross>cool, will use :)
05:24:23  <Wraithan>chrisdickinson: opinions on my terrible parser integration tests? https://github.com/wraithan/clean-zenircbot/blob/master/test/parser.tap.js
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05:28:38  <chrisdickinson>Wraithan: looks good thus far. might need more unicode ;) also, in createSource you might want to `source.push(null)` to end the steam
05:29:01  <Wraithan>chrisdickinson: ah yes, forgot about that
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05:52:46  <chrisdickinson>feross: `new Buffer('1', 'base64')` gives you an empty buffer, too
05:53:17  <feross>chrisdickinson: wow
05:53:29  <Wraithan>That sounds non-ideal
05:54:14  <chrisdickinson>if i'm not mistaken, that might not be a bug, actually
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05:55:31  <chrisdickinson>to encode a single byte, you have to pad the output with ==
05:55:40  <chrisdickinson>and even then, the leading info is two chars long
05:55:58  <chrisdickinson>so with '1' the message is incomplete -- there's not a full byte to read
05:57:01  <chrisdickinson>feross: probably not a bug, just a weird encoding format :\
05:58:08  <feross>okay, but the fs.createReadStream issue is still a bug
05:58:38  <feross>because the encoding option isn't for specifying the format of the file contents, it's for specifying the type of data you want emitted
05:59:00  <feross>it's for specifying the encoding to be emitted
05:59:24  <feross>the analogous thing to check for Buffer would be new Buffer('1').toString('base64') since it uses the encoder
05:59:27  <feross>and that actually works for Buffer
05:59:51  <chrisdickinson>for fs.createReadStream, encoding is specifying the read behavior -- how to interpret the byte stream coming form the disk
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06:03:56  <feross>chrisdickinson: from my experience, this is not true
06:03:57  <feross>checking now
06:06:17  <chrisdickinson>feross: specifically, https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/_stream_readable.js#L155 -- the chunk given by .push (https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/master/lib/fs.js#L1572) will always be run through the encoder
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06:09:07  <chrisdickinson>well, "always" in that it's being pushed without a specific encoding so it's falling back to the stream's internal decoder
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06:13:40  <feross>chrisdickinson: the chunk being pushed through the encoder is not a problem
06:13:45  <feross>that's fine
06:14:06  <feross>i think the issue is that .end() is not being called on the string_decoder when pipe() is used with the stream
06:14:17  <feross>when you add a 'data' event listener you get base64 data
06:14:24  <chrisdickinson>ahhh
06:14:31  <feross>var string_decoder = require('string_decoder')
06:14:31  <feross>var decoder = new string_decoder.StringDecoder('base64')
06:14:31  <feross>console.log(decoder.write(new Buffer('a')) + decoder.end())
06:14:36  <feross>that works fine
06:14:49  <feross>you get 'YQ==' as expected
06:15:06  <feross>but if you never call end() then you never get the end bit of the stream
06:15:39  <feross>chrisdickinson: also your link in the issue is broken
06:15:47  <feross>can you fix because i want to read about this more
06:20:24  <chrisdickinson>sigh, packet loss is through the roof
06:20:25  <chrisdickinson>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64#Decoding_Base64_without_padding
06:20:26  <chrisdickinson>feross: ^^
06:28:26  <chrisdickinson>looking into this more, thanks for the followup comment
06:28:35  <chrisdickinson>also, #libuv is a good place to hang out
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06:28:45  <chrisdickinson>(for bringing attention to these issues)
06:29:36  <chrisdickinson>feross: and in all cases v0.11 works but v0.10 does not?
06:30:14  <feross>chrisdickinson: yep, all examples in my comment work fine in node 0.11
06:30:53  <feross>cool, will hang out in #libuv
06:31:02  <feross>thanks for the pointer :)
06:31:07  <chrisdickinson>no problem!
06:31:16  <chrisdickinson>i'm taking a look at this now, too
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07:19:34  <chrisdickinson>feross: okay, got a fix that needs to be refined
07:20:14  <chrisdickinson>hmm, maybe more than i thought ... :)
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07:27:43  <feross>chrisdickinson: cool, lmk when you have a PR out. i'm curious to take a look
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16:50:42  <guybrush>go is really cool and everything, but importing without putting them on local namespace and no semver?! wtf.. it is like they deliberately ignore all the good things of npm
16:51:38  <guybrush>though the language is really cool and channels rock (for what i can say after playing arround with it for some days)
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16:52:47  <guybrush>but no semver and no local namespace feels _really_ bad, coming from node
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20:56:04  <ogd>substack: apparently mail@substack.net is bouncing
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23:13:15  <jesusabdullah>WHERE'S DOMINIC
23:13:15  <LOUDBOT>NICE I AM A STUDENT PILOT MYSELF WITH ABOUT SIXTY HOURS
23:13:30  <jesusabdullah>substack: you might like http://www.medialounge.net/lounge/workspace/nettime/DOCS/1/fabricat.html
23:13:37  <jesusabdullah>I had dominic in mind but, you too
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23:41:47  <substack>jesusabdullah: washington the state
23:41:50  <substack>me too!
23:42:05  <substack>I can see him he's assembling a structure
23:42:54  <jesusabdullah>Tell him to read that
23:43:05  <jesusabdullah>I'm reading a nettime anthology, lots of good stuff
23:43:22  <jesusabdullah>software section's all a bit dated of course, seeing as though it's all 1998-1999
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