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04:15:46  <jbenet>substack are you around? you might be in mid-conf
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04:28:40  <substack>jbenet: I'm in shanghai
04:29:05  <jbenet>substack yeah-- i meant on the internet and on irc :p --
04:29:38  <jbenet>i've a bunch of ideas re labeled pipelines, and multi-pipe constructs.
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04:30:31  <jbenet>and since they're not super crystalized want to discuss. But the gist is this: we need a really clear, good way to compose a bunch of duplex streams into pipeline units,
04:31:00  <jbenet>hmm -- i'll draw it.
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04:39:38  <substack>jbenet: you can nest labeled streams with arrays
04:39:49  <substack>and then refer to the nested array by its label
04:39:54  <substack>at least with labeled-splice-stream
04:40:01  <substack>err rather labeled-stream-splicer
04:40:09  <substack>I get the names of my own modules confused
04:40:40  <substack>so if you have [ 'A', a, 'B', [ x, y ], 'C', c ] you can pipeline.get('B').push(z)
04:40:51  <substack>and it's recursive, so you can do that as much as you want
04:41:58  <substack>var p = lsplicer([ 'A', a, 'B', [ 'X', x, 'Y', [ 'Q', [ t, u ] ] ], 'C', c ])
04:42:10  <jbenet>substack: i think there's a missing abstraction here. manipulating the whole pipeline like that can get really confusing. i'm thinking of pipeline bundle units. am drawing. will post in a bit.
04:42:19  <substack>p.get('B').get('Y').get('Q').unshift(r, s)
04:42:50  <substack>or actually you can just do
04:42:58  <substack>p.get('B', 'Y', 'Q').unshift(r, s)
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05:24:35  <jbenet>substack: https://github.com/jbenet/random-ideas/issues/24
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05:30:41  <substack>jbenet: I did something similar to implement stream-splicer
05:30:58  <substack>because I couldn't rely on events to control when a stream could be spliced off
05:31:10  <substack>had to push the control events into the stream data itself
05:31:36  <substack>I used strings for those control events and objects/buffers for the payload data
05:32:16  <jbenet>yikes, but that mixes flows. which you can demux, but is not super flexible to multiple ins/outs.
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05:33:22  <substack>you can just use a muxer/demuxer for that
05:34:29  <jbenet>hm, i guess it's like defining a message type, and then switching on it. it makes connecting all the pipes uglier though.
05:35:01  <jbenet>thinking of streams as physical tubing pieces is a spot-on metaphor. If i have a filter T pipe, i want to be able to just hook up hoses to every joint
05:35:15  <jbenet>join -> hole
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09:28:48  <jjjohnny>ircretary: ask domanic yes go ahead and mail it 3276 Logan st, oakland 94601
09:28:48  <ircretary>jjjohnny: I'll tell domanic you asked.
09:29:37  <pkrumins>ircretary: tell pkrumins test
09:29:37  <ircretary>pkrumins: I'll be sure to tell pkrumins
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09:30:11  <pkrumins>works
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10:59:25  <jjjohnny>pkrumins: i wasnt sure of the semantics
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11:11:43  <jjjohnny>pkrumins: we gotta get on a chess game sometime
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11:30:19  <pkrumins>jjjohnny: wanna play now?
11:31:03  <pkrumins>jjjohnny: created a game http://lichess.org/LcXFaCXV
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11:35:58  <jjjohnny>pkrumins: cool
11:36:57  <jjjohnny>pkrumins: im there
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11:39:20  <pkrumins>jjjohnny: me too, i just made a move
11:41:41  <jjjohnny>COMES OUT SWINGING WITH THE QUEEN PAWN
11:41:41  <LOUDBOT>THIS WONT END WELL FOR YOU
11:41:51  <jjjohnny>lol
11:41:58  <jjjohnny>LOUDBOT: twitlast
11:41:58  <LOUDBOT>http://twitter.com/LOUDBOT/status/482851396148932608 (joeyk/#peltkore)
11:42:53  <jjjohnny>THIS WONT END WELL FOR YOU
11:42:53  <LOUDBOT>I STOLE THE IDEA AND AM BUILDING AN EAST-WEST ONE BP
11:43:08  <jjjohnny>i too stole an idea
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12:19:07  <pkrumins>check mate!
12:19:14  <jjjohnny>WHITE IS VICTORIOUS
12:19:15  <LOUDBOT>I'M ATTEMPTING TO APPLY A LOUD CONTEXT TO YOUR SMALLTALK
12:19:28  <pkrumins>nice combination at the end
12:20:43  <jjjohnny>i didnt have the position to bate a rook like that
12:21:51  <jjjohnny>pkrumins: im white next
12:21:59  <jjjohnny>game 1 to krumins
12:22:16  <jjjohnny>and we play on http://chessfoo.com cuz i made it
12:22:31  <pkrumins>5 mins per player
12:22:44  <jjjohnny>haha no clock on my board
12:22:55  <jjjohnny>i'll play times on this one tho
12:22:57  <pkrumins>i seem to be white again
12:22:57  <jjjohnny>timed
12:23:21  <pkrumins>jjjohnny: hah is this your twitter https://twitter.com/astromanies
12:23:28  <pkrumins>it's in russian
12:23:40  <pkrumins>it links to that twitter page from chessfoo.com
12:23:50  <jjjohnny>it was in a previous time
12:23:50  <jjjohnny>oh shit
12:23:56  <jjjohnny>gotta change that
12:24:06  <jjjohnny>chessfoo does have fischer random chess tho
12:24:12  <jjjohnny>(the clock is broke, need to fix it)
12:24:23  <pkrumins>ok how do i start playing
12:24:31  <jjjohnny>u send me the link
12:24:31  <pkrumins>send me a link to the board
12:24:37  <pkrumins>but im white
12:24:51  <jjjohnny>http://chessfoo.com/board/stackvm
12:25:08  <pkrumins>how do i flip the board
12:25:38  <pkrumins>found it
12:25:39  <pkrumins>ur move
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12:58:03  <jjjohnny>pkrumins: im glad to know there a solid player around here
12:58:47  <jjjohnny>ive been playing fischer random since i built chessfoo
12:59:19  <jjjohnny>rarely play that cys chess anymo
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13:46:15  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: At least 10 people waiting in the queue for free servers! (Waiting: 10)
13:49:33  <jjjohnny>a module that turns an html doc with links to css and js and singe-source-ifies them into one html file
13:53:09  <jjjohnny>common scraper tech baby
13:54:08  <jjjohnny>basically browserify for html WHERE IS IT
14:00:02  <substack>ogd wrote that
14:00:29  <jjjohnny>OGDEN DEGOD
14:00:29  <LOUDBOT>FUCK ME WITH A 8" DIAMETER DILDO
14:01:19  <jjjohnny>SAID THE BARRIER TO THE SOLUTION TO THE SEEKER
14:01:19  <LOUDBOT>I'M DELIRIOUS. TIME TO GO HOME
14:01:36  <jjjohnny>ok i defeated loudbot, now where is that module
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15:08:49  <hij1nx__>https://twitter.com/hij1nx/status/482898534295810049
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15:11:11  <thlorenz>hij1nx__: what's up there? don't have offline logging so I see nothing ;)
15:11:22  <hij1nx__>oops, https://twitter.com/hij1nx/status/482898534295810049
15:13:22  <thlorenz>hij1nx__: looks interesting kinda like turtles all the way down for JS
15:13:44  <thlorenz>I suppose you could then write servers in JS w/out needing node? -- once it's fuller featured that is
15:13:45  <hij1nx__>thlorenz: yeah, if this project gets traction it will be really amazing
15:14:07  <hij1nx__>thlorenz: yeah, you wouldn't need libuv
15:15:05  <thlorenz>it's only like a month old, will be interesting to see what happens in another month or two
15:16:07  <hij1nx__>thlorenz: its like anarchy os ;) /cc juliangruber substack
15:16:58  <thlorenz>pretty much - if it implements core modules compat with node you could even use npm to install packages for it
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16:58:28  <juliangruber>substack: awesome work fixing the html-select issue!
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17:07:19  <substack>juliangruber: it was simple with those failing test cases already prepared
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17:11:42  <juliangruber>it didn't fix my original problem though :D hyperstream is hanging after the first row, I'll come up with a more specific test case
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17:15:15  <substack>juliangruber: I have a crazy stream router multiplexer in the works too
17:15:24  <juliangruber> nice
17:15:30  <juliangruber>substack: will it do binary data?
17:15:31  <substack>should play very well with hyper{space,stream,glue} and multilevel
17:15:52  <juliangruber>sounds good
17:15:56  <substack>yes it's using ogd's multiplex module
17:16:13  <juliangruber>oh so it's way more high level?
17:17:19  <substack>it's like an http router but for streams
17:17:23  <substack>it uses the `routes` module even
17:17:55  <substack>https://gist.github.com/substack/8a808661229d94f6c0f1
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17:19:45  <substack>and you can pass parameters either in the second argument to open() or in the url itself
17:20:29  <substack>so you could have a route at /multilevel or a route at /feeds/:user
17:22:44  <substack>plex.add('/feeds/:user', function (opts) { opts.min = [ 'feeds', opts.user, null ]; opts.max = [ 'feeds', opts.user, undefined ]; return opts.live ? liveStream(db, opts) : db.createReadStream(opts) })
17:22:48  <substack>something like that
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17:23:38  <juliangruber>aaah yeah that could be useful
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17:24:37  <juliangruber>there's other experiments / modules to implement the full http api over arbitrary streams
17:24:39  <substack>and then I'll have it so you can use the same plex instance locally to fetch streams to drive rendering
17:24:49  <juliangruber>and ideally, everyone would just use something like http over strings i think
17:24:58  <juliangruber>ah yeah
17:25:03  <juliangruber>i wanted to do that too
17:25:05  <substack>so you can plex.get('/feeds/substack').pipe(render.user()).pipe(res) on the server
17:25:21  <juliangruber>i have something similar with my "role" model
17:25:28  <juliangruber>module
17:25:29  <substack>and the client can plex.open('/feeds/substack').pipe(render.user().appendTo('#feed'))
17:26:04  <juliangruber>role('uppercaser', createUppercaserStream) process.stdin.pipe(role.get('uppercaser')).pipe(process.stdout)
17:26:19  <juliangruber>your approach is more decoupled, i like that
17:27:05  <substack>and yes once I get all this working I'm going to start trying to run the same routing code on the server and the browser
17:27:43  <substack>so then all you do is establish the mappings from your data sources (as streams) into your markup through transformations
17:27:44  <juliangruber>oh like a module that wrapps plex and http?
17:27:54  <substack>maybe something like that
17:28:07  <substack>it's still rather unclear but I want to poke around with that sort of thing
17:28:46  <juliangruber>and you should be able to create streams on the client too
17:28:57  <substack>I'll take a look at role
17:29:09  <substack>yes it's a symmetric protocol
17:29:10  <juliangruber>but since you're using the stream duplex pattern that should be of no question
17:29:24  <substack>which made is much tricker to implement of course!
17:29:33  <juliangruber>yeah
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17:37:31  <juliangruber>substack: https://github.com/juliangruber/multirole/blob/master/index.js#L41 is a good place to get started
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18:02:57  <jjjohnny>i registered cyberspace.academy
18:03:56  <jjjohnny>substack: ^
18:04:56  <jjjohnny>dot agency
18:05:05  <jjjohnny>dot archi?
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18:05:13  <jjjohnny>dot boutique
18:06:20  <jjjohnny>dot cleaning clothing coffee community company computer condos cool cruises
18:06:37  <jjjohnny>synth.estate?
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18:08:21  <jjjohnny>module.expert is available
18:08:30  <jjjohnny>module.club
18:10:56  <jjjohnny>mental.enterprises dont sleep on that
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18:43:24  <mikolalysenko>just double checking details about nodeconf: the pre-conference stuff is all on the 2nd right?
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18:50:35  <substack>jjjohnny: cyberspace.academy A+
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19:09:14  <jbenet>streams question: what highWaterMark should be set on "in between" pipes to get back pressure right and not too much overhead? just 1?
19:09:19  <jbenet>or will that cause problems
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19:11:34  <jbenet>also, if I want to .push() all data into a Readable stream, should I just be using PassThrough?
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19:27:49  <jbenet>substack RFC: https://github.com/jbenet/node-pipe-segment
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19:32:24  <chapel>@mikolalysenko: I am curious about that as well
19:32:34  <chapel>lol damn slack habit for mentions...
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19:52:46  <hughsk>mikolalysenko/chapel: yep, it's the 2nd :)
19:53:01  <chapel>hughsk: where are the details on that?
19:53:51  <hughsk>https://github.com/mikeal/nodeconf2014/issues/38 :)
19:54:11  <chapel>404 :(
19:56:18  <chapel>hughsk: is that the only location for the info, because it isn't public
19:57:33  <hughsk>chapel: oh that's not good, maybe ping mikeal if you can't see it?
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20:10:58  <groundwater_>ogd: where you at?
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20:41:57  <jjjohnny>now server http://node.module.club/index.html
20:42:00  <jjjohnny>serving
20:42:30  <jjjohnny>its a front end repl with real time async browserify via da CDN
20:42:41  <jjjohnny>u can require shits
20:42:54  <jjjohnny>oh u have to hit shift-enter to compile
20:45:56  <jbenet>jjjohnny awesome. very close to something i wanted to do.
20:46:19  <jbenet>jjjohnny but i'd like to have an actual repl-- this is more "edit the file"
20:46:41  <jbenet>Also, buttons like in http://requirebin.com would be useful
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20:48:29  <jbenet>I guess I want both. I want a REPL and i want to edit functions like a file. this goes back to a concept i had for a repl/editor, where you had one pane be a repl, and then any definitions added get copied over to another pane, where they are editable. if you edit them, that definition gets re-evaluated.
20:49:02  <jbenet>anyway, so far works great! :)
20:50:23  <jjjohnny>jbenet: ctrl + bracker scrolls thru history
20:50:27  <jjjohnny>bracket
20:51:02  <jjjohnny>next thing gonna happen is
20:51:33  <jjjohnny>a new module for window.open() where when you open a new window, the text editor context switched to that window
20:51:51  <jjjohnny>so you can open canvas.module.club and get a canvas window
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21:42:30  <ogd>jjjohnny: you at the hackistan at the moment?
21:46:52  <jjjohnny>ogd: yes
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22:02:19  <jjjohnny>is anybody toor camping in here with extra space?
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