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00:02:28  <mikolalysenko>substack: haha, I kind of doubt this will happen any time soon
00:02:42  <substack>it's very in-line with the abstract goal of research, which is to provide building blocks for subsequent research to build upon
00:03:08  <mikolalysenko>maybe, it could happen some day
00:03:14  <substack>if not npm, at least some systematized way of delivering software
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00:27:09  <ogd>mikolalysenko: whoa nice idea!
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00:30:55  <ogd>mikolalysenko: all it would take probably is to sit down with him and teach him git, github and npm
00:31:12  <mikolalysenko>I think so
00:31:34  <mikolalysenko>though you would have to catch him in the right state of mind, and make the case that it was worth learning
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02:07:33  <taterbase>So I’m running a node script in hopes of altering the current shell session’s ENV
02:07:40  <taterbase>But I’m not sure it can be done
02:08:05  <taterbase>The node process is it’s own child process, I can’t figure a way to modify the shell’s env from the node process
02:08:08  <taterbase>Any thoughts?
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02:42:47  <mikolalysenko>check it out: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/gl-scatter-plot
02:43:06  <mikolalysenko>kind of simple, but I think the idea for using utf symbols for point glyphs is kind of cute
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04:09:55  <jjjohnny>mikolalysenko: start with "you're a smart guy..."
04:10:12  <jjjohnny>i was referring to older texts
04:14:06  <jesusabdullah>lulz
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05:03:29  <jjjohnny>EXCEL FUNCTIONS EVERY COMMUNITY MANAGER SHOULD KNOW
05:03:29  <LOUDBOT>BUCK IT IS CAPSLOCK DAY
05:04:17  <jjjohnny>I SAID BUCK CAPLOCK DAY OKAY YOU HERE ME BUCK. ALL CAPS, ALL THE TIME. GET YR BUTT DOWN HERE!
05:04:17  <LOUDBOT>REMEMBER I CAME IN YOUR HAIR AND SNOW IS GOD'S COME SO I SNOWED IN YOUR HAIR
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05:09:14  <jjjohnny>I DONT GET DISRUPTED BOTCH
05:09:15  <LOUDBOT>GOTTA GET IT UP, GET IT OFF, GET OUT!
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05:11:53  <jjjohnny>GET IN, AND STAY THERE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, CUZ ITS WONDERFUL NICE, AND MOVE CONTINUOUSLY TO CREATE LIKE A MAGNETIC FIELD, FOR SEX ORGANS
05:11:53  <LOUDBOT>AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL TELL ME TO SHADDUP AND I WILL ANSWER "NO"
05:12:26  <jjjohnny>THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS, AND SAYS NOTHING
05:12:27  <LOUDBOT>HE WAS INTO NODEJS CONSULTING
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05:17:17  <jjjohnny>WE NODJAS N PSY4S N WZRDRZW N SOULDJAS 4 GNAWLEDGE
05:17:17  <LOUDBOT>WELL LINDSAY I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE FOR YOUR GAS
05:18:42  <jjjohnny>YOUR EVERY NOTHING
05:18:42  <LOUDBOT>PROPHET REAGAN SENT BY GOD TO DEREGULATE THE RIGHTEOUS CORPORATIONS
05:20:22  <substack>LOUDBOT: twitlast
05:20:22  <LOUDBOT>http://twitter.com/LOUDBOT/status/474782830510092288 (SubStack/#mefi)
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05:43:06  <anvaka>theoretically, why it would be a bad idea to cache entire package dependency tree as a tarbal on CDN?
05:44:10  <anvaka>e.g. when i do `npm i browserify`, instead of making 48 network requests, wouldn't it be nice to have just one?
05:44:59  <jjjohnny>anvaka: becuz node
05:45:23  <anvaka>jjjohnny: what?
05:45:46  <jjjohnny>possibly becuz versioning madness
05:45:59  <anvaka>cc isaacs, ceejbot
05:46:01  <jjjohnny>would create many massive singletonnes
05:47:03  <anvaka>jjjohnny: sorry, I do not follow. Can you elaborate please?
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05:50:35  <jjjohnny>version wads
05:51:14  <chapel>anyone see this? http://unriskinsight.blogspot.com/2014/06/fast-functional-goats-lions-and-wolves.html
05:51:56  <chapel>I made some modifications, their code was hugely inefficient https://gist.github.com/chapel/1c038b2bf64b3037aaea
05:52:27  <anvaka>jjjohnny: so, versions tree could be a key to cache...
05:52:39  <anvaka>value is a tarbal
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05:53:50  <jjjohnny>anvaka: so when I publish a module with a dependence which has no version specified
05:54:02  <jjjohnny>and you download it
05:54:14  <jjjohnny>npm would create a tarball for cache
05:54:34  <anvaka>correct
05:54:44  <jjjohnny>but next time that dependency is updated, and next time somebody downloads my module
05:54:56  <jjjohnny>a new tarball is created
05:55:33  <jjjohnny>is it okay to delete the old one?
05:55:57  <anvaka>ya, totally
05:56:06  <anvaka>cache shouldn't be reliable
05:56:19  <anvaka>it would be just a nice option for faster npm installs
05:56:36  <anvaka>if someone publishes updated version of a module, there are several options
05:57:16  <anvaka>npm registry already tracks packages that depend on a module, and packages on which module depends
05:57:46  <anvaka>so when something changes in the graph - invalidate cache
05:58:02  <anvaka>alternatively you don't even have to do anything
05:58:32  <anvaka>since npm could generate a new key for entire dependency tree when someone requests it
05:58:39  <jjjohnny>A CACHE IS A BONANZA
05:58:40  <LOUDBOT>YOU ARE WEARING ONE POINT THREE LAMBUNITS OF LAMBSWOOL
05:58:47  <anvaka>:)
05:59:13  <jjjohnny>LOUDBOT: twitlast
05:59:14  <LOUDBOT>http://twitter.com/LOUDBOT/status/474792609228259328 (kulp/#peltkore)
05:59:25  <jjjohnny>anvaka: how about this
05:59:48  <jjjohnny>npm pre-orders your tarball, waits for a callback, and then picks it up at the next window
06:00:28  <anvaka>jjjohnny: i guess it would work..
06:00:41  <anvaka>anything which reduces amount of IO works i guess
06:01:02  <jjjohnny>anvaka: try npmjs.org/package/npmd
06:01:47  <anvaka>jjjohnny: thank you
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07:20:45  <niftylettuce_>isaacs: hey is npm unpublish proj@x.x.x && npm publish not working?
07:20:53  <niftylettuce_>seems to have been failing for me the past few days
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07:27:50  <niftylettuce_>anyone know why it keeps failing and won't let me unpublish nor publish over existing, even with -f?
07:28:05  <niftylettuce_>oh...http://stackoverflow.com/a/21952673
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07:34:07  <jbenet>substack mikolalysenko
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07:35:25  <substack>yoyoyo
07:35:33  <jbenet>whoops, entered too early. meant: substack mikolalysenko research papers are appearing on github. repos are being cited as part of papers now. github got DOIs recently. at least one conf uses github to do peer review. things are moving the right direction! :) and yes, already, software tools are cited by research.
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08:08:47  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: seaport services down: tunnels
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10:15:36  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: seaport services down: queue
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10:17:46  <pkrumins>crap everything just went down for some reason and isn't coming back
10:23:23  <Altreus>pkrumins: kit does your vim plugins series include ctrlp.vim?
10:23:28  <Altreus>because :o
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13:50:50  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 50.57.72.32 (free10)
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13:57:54  <pkrumins>ok everything is back up
13:58:07  <pkrumins>Altreus: doesn't include ctrlp.vim, what does it do?
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13:59:24  <Altreus>pkrumins: it's for searching for files!
13:59:36  <Altreus>you press ^P and start typing
14:05:34  <pkrumins>oh cool
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15:00:27  <isaacs>ircretary: tell niftylettuce Yeah, that stopped being supported a while ago
15:00:28  <ircretary>isaacs: I'll be sure to tell niftylettuce
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16:06:29  <mikolalysenko>well, this was fun: https://gist.github.com/mikolalysenko/d32cfb2c74dcdc2746ef
16:06:48  <mikolalysenko>I guess we can conclude that untyped languages are 1000x better than static typing!
16:07:32  <mikolalysenko>also, I started using irccloud, and it is nice that it puts gists inline in the chat window
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16:11:19  <creationix>mikolalysenko: how is that so fast?
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16:11:55  <mikolalysenko>because it doesn't do something stupid
16:12:23  <creationix>what you don’t first create a hierarchy of classes with proper inheritance chains?
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16:12:31  <creationix>that’s cheating :P
16:14:45  <mikolalysenko>hahaha
16:15:09  <mikolalysenko>and also allocate a billion tiny temporary arrays at every other statement
16:17:24  <mikolalysenko>but more seriously, there is a closed form solution to that problem they pose. I just use that instead of some crazy/ad-hoc brute force method
16:17:43  <mikolalysenko>it is a bit silly to compare different (bad) implementations of inefficient ways to solve a problem
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16:21:13  <creationix>right, so it’s not that js is so fast. It’s that your algorithm is way more effecient.
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16:26:48  <mikolalysenko>yes. but more than that, it is also that their comparisons are irrelevant
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19:45:20  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.72.32(free10)
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