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| <thlorenz> | Raynos: The --no-optional argument will prevent optional dependencies from being installed. |
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| <thlorenz> | Just discovered that via the twitters |
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| <thlorenz> | that'd solve your problem and should probably be the default |
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| <jesusabdullah> | https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en?hl%3Den#!topic/nodejs/oHQB3fft8zg |
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| <jesusabdullah> | hehehehe |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I'm a jerk |
| 01:06:50
| <jesusabdullah> | that said: hehehehe |
| 01:07:46
| <jesusabdullah> | I should make a bot that procedurally generates nodejs mailing list posts |
| 01:08:19
| <guybrush> | is twitter/airportyh in here? |
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| <paul_irish> | I don't think i've seen toby around irc |
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| <guybrush> | oh ok :/ |
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| <dlmanning> | ogd: ping |
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| <ogd> | dlmanning: ahoy |
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| <ogd> | guybrush: airportyh has been hanging in here recently, just not now |
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| <dlmanning> | ogd: So I hear you saying that you want to fight me ;) |
| 01:29:49
| <guybrush> | kk, just wanted to ask about npmcomponent since some packages are missing |
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| <ogd> | haha not really |
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| <Raynos> | thlorenz: peerdeps are optional? :S |
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| <dlmanning> | ogd: So it's not that I care overmuch about my crappy little browserify transform |
| 01:30:59
| <Wraithan> | fight fight fight fight |
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| 01:31:38
| <dlmanning> | But there aren't any really great ways (that I could think of) to make sure that the compiled module has its dependencies |
| 01:32:28
| <ogd> | dlmanning: in your case handlebars is a plugin right? |
| 01:32:40
| <dlmanning> | Not handlebars itself |
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| <ogd> | so why can't handlebars be a dependency? |
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| <dlmanning> | ogd: Because then my the transform would need to expose the functionality in Bad Way |
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| <ogd> | dlmanning: im not sure i understand the context now, do you have a link to the module you are referring to? |
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| <dlmanning> | https://github.com/dlmanning/browserify-handlebars |
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| <ogd> | ok so in the context of that module why can't handlebars be a dependency? |
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| <ogd> | e.g. what does 'Bad Way' mean exactly? |
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| <dlmanning> | Well it can, but then the compiled module (which functions at the project level), would need to refer to the internal dependency tree of the browserify-handlebars module |
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| <dlmanning> | And it seems odd to have packages effectively exporting multiple resources into a project |
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| <dlmanning> | peerDep seems more naturally suited to the problem |
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| <ogd> | 'compiled module' means the browserify bundle? |
| 01:39:49
| <dlmanning> | No, it's the precompiled handlebars templates |
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| <dlmanning> | The plugin precompiles the templates and includes that module with the runtime (not the full handlebars module) in the browserify bundle |
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| <ogd> | oh so at transform time you require('handlebars') to use .precompile but then the browserify bundle includes enough to run require("handlebars/runtime") |
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| <dlmanning> | ^ I think the last thing I typed answers that |
| 01:43:10
| <ogd> | still trying to fully understand it. is it that browserify wouldn't be able to resolve 'require("handlebars/runtime")' |
| 01:43:48
| <dlmanning> | It wouldn't if handlebars were only a dependency of browserify-handlebars |
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| <dlmanning> | It needs to be a dep of the project being browserified |
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| <ogd> | ok gotcha |
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| <ogd> | so IMO your project should still have handlebars as a dep because of this line https://github.com/dlmanning/browserify-handlebars/blob/master/index.js#L20 |
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| <dlmanning> | ogd: That's a good observation. I agree |
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| <dlmanning> | And that's an oversight |
| 01:45:43
| <ogd> | as for the runtime i can see where you're coming from |
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| <dlmanning> | Cool |
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| <dlmanning> | So, if peerDeps causes so much chaos that it needs to be yanked, so be it |
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| <dlmanning> | But I'll have to replace it with something (equally?) janky |
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| <ogd> | my gut reaction is that browserify-handlebars should be injecting a known working version of the handlebars runtime |
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| <dlmanning> | See I kinda wanted to avoid that |
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| <dlmanning> | Cause I did that first |
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| <dlmanning> | But then I thought I'd put my trust in semvar (and kpdecker) |
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| <dlmanning> | So users of the plugin get an up-to-date version of handlebars without me having to update the module whenever handlebars releases a point update |
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| <ogd> | gotcha, I use * or ^ for addressing that |
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| <ogd> | sorry not * but ~ |
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| <dlmanning> | Right, but it wouldn't work if I packaged the runtime in my module |
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| <thlorenz> | Raynos: peerdeps installing is optional |
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| <ogd> | dlmanning: couldn't you just have handlebars: ^2.0.0 in your package.json? |
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| <dlmanning> | ogd: Sure, but then the compiled template module would have to reach down into the internal dependency tree of browserify-handlebars, and we're back to single modules effectively exporting multiple deps |
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| <ogd> | oh i meant in the version of browserify-handlebars where you injected the runtime rather than depending on browserify to do it |
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| <ogd> | ah but the downside of that approach is that multiple copies of the runtime would get included |
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| <dlmanning> | yeah |
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| <ogd> | dlmanning: thanks for explaining. i now think you are using peerdeps as they are intended |
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| <dlmanning> | haha, well thanks |
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| <dlmanning> | <3 |
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| <dlmanning> | Thanks for listening |
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| <dominictarr> | jjjohnny: hey - nah I don't think that fos needs to be a protocol - maybe there is a protocol in there but it should be more general |
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| <dominictarr> | isaacs: ping2 |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: btw have you tried the latest npmd@1? it's refactored a lot. Most features are removed, but core is getting very tight |
| 04:34:58
| <dominictarr> | It caches modules more intelligently than stock npm, and in such a way that offline works much better, even for http/giturls |
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| <substack> | cool, I'll pull the latest |
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| <dominictarr> | it doesn't have sync anymore either - that was kinda annoying - I'm gonna separate out the sync part into a server |
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| <dominictarr> | and that will become just another way you can resolve things. |
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| <substack> | makes sense |
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| <dominictarr> | the most annoying thing about npmd@0 was when you tried to install something but it hadn't synced yet |
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| <dominictarr> | that is gone |
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| <substack> | when you abstract the sync part into a server, will the client be able to have multiple servers? |
| 04:40:26
| <substack> | so if we're both offline but create an ad-hoc network I can pull modules from your npmd |
| 04:40:46
| <dominictarr> | it will just be a "resolve server" you'll do a json post to it to tell it what you want to install, it will send you a tree |
| 04:40:54
| <substack> | even better: if I could push my staged modules to you and when you get online my package will show up on the public npm |
| 04:41:08
| <substack> | because I signed it with my public key |
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| <substack> | but that will take some changes to the primary npm |
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| <dominictarr> | then you request what you don't have by shasum and it will send it to you as multipart or a tar or something |
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| <substack> | cool |
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| <substack> | ok built the latest version |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: yeah, that wouldn't be very secure until we have signed packages |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: we'll need some new protocols to get to a _fully_ p2p pm |
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| <jjjohnny> | dominictarr: installed on third attempt |
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| <dominictarr> | jjjohnny: 3rd? |
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| <jjjohnny> | yeah got a lot of errors first two |
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| <dominictarr> | what sort of errors? |
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| <jjjohnny> | some fstat errors, i remember |
| 04:45:00
| <jjjohnny> | or lstat |
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| <jjjohnny> | seems to be working fine tho |
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| <dominictarr> | jjjohnny: this where npm errors? |
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| <jjjohnny> | yeah |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: people discussing riding from seattle to toorcamp https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/toorcamp/ap4QeyvS8Zg |
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| <jjjohnny> | substack: did you submit to cascasia.js? |
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| <jjjohnny> | cashcashier.js |
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| <substack> | nope |
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| <substack> | I'll be in NZ |
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| <jjjohnny> | dominictarr: what did you propose to em? |
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| <dominictarr> | jjjohnny: "the history of node.js streams" |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: I'm adding range support to level search... but should I store dates as unix times or as strings? |
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| <substack> | well timestamps aren't lexicographically sortable without transformation |
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| <substack> | because they are integers |
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| <substack> | but iso8601 dates are sortable |
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| <substack> | and you can inspect them too |
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| <substack> | but it gets tricky with timezones |
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| <dominictarr> | JSON.stringify(date) is sortable |
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| <substack> | yes it's iso8601 or thereabouts |
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| <dominictarr> | this all gets bytewise encoded so unix or iso are both sortable |
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| <substack> | oh! |
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| <substack> | if it's encoded with bytewise then I would actually lean toward integers |
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| <substack> | but I'm not sure why |
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| <substack> | that's just what my fast heuristic brain that can't explain itself is telling me |
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| <dominictarr> | yeah - it's less bytes and that is better for indexes. |
| 06:08:09
| <dominictarr> | since bytewise is not human readable anyway, then there is no advantage to putting a human readable encoding inside of it. |
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| <dominictarr> | okay cool. |
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| <dominictarr> | in both ways you loose the timezone... but I don't want to get into that mess... |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: hmm, no I think it should be indexed as json - because that is what it will become when it's saved |
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| <dominictarr> | so if it was reindexed it would become strings so it would be wrong. |
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| <wolfeidau> | lol |
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| <mmalecki> | substack: *loving* clocker |
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| <mmalecki> | substack: I can work with no internet access, which wasn't possible with harvest |
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| <mmalecki> | substack: and it's CLI |
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| <substack> | mmalecki: excellent! |
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| <substack> | and it's like, hardly any code |
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| <mmalecki> | yeah, that's the best thing about it |
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| <mmalecki> | it's really UNIX :) |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: json-stable-stringify doesn't handle Date correctly. |
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| <dominictarr> | pull request coming... |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: on no... maybe it does. |
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| <dominictarr> | turns out it does... |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie_zz: fyi I am working on browserify search today |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: cool |
| 14:45:20
| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: I got in to NYC yesterday very late |
| 14:45:23
| <defunctzombie> | so I am all over the place today |
| 14:45:33
| <defunctzombie> | but might hop on and do some work soon |
| 14:45:34
| <airportyh> | alright |
| 14:45:55
| <airportyh> | I enhanced the www a little |
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| <airportyh> | added bootstrap buttons and icons |
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| <airportyh> | and client-side routing |
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| <defunctzombie> | cool |
| 14:48:33
| <defunctzombie> | for icons I typically use icomoon cause you can build whatever icon set you want |
| 14:48:57
| <defunctzombie> | less limiting than using the predefined sets people like to pimp out |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: cool didn't know about that |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: I didn't know what icon to use for dependents count, so I just used a heart |
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| <defunctzombie> | haha |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: btw I forked queue to make it start by itself https://github.com/airportyh/queue |
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| <defunctzombie> | cool |
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| <airportyh> | so you can keep pushing jobs to it after it has stopped |
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| <juliangruber> | is there a way to asynchronously write to stdout in node? |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: how do you feel about using npmd to speed up testing? |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: how does that speed it up? |
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| <ogd> | ins0mnia: done |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: smarter caching |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: does npmd actually work? |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: I guess I'll have to try to find out |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: also, check out npm-install |
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| <defunctzombie> | which iirc I added caching |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: I am good with using anything that works and helps |
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| <defunctzombie> | once we get things running |
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| <airportyh> | npm-install is just docs right? |
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| <airportyh> | or a module? |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: module |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: a module I wrote to do non-deduped npm installs |
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| <defunctzombie> | and it has a caching layer |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: also.. did I give you access to the heroku deploy? |
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| <airportyh> | nope |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: ok, I added you. I think you will get an email |
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| <airportyh> | cool |
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| <thlorenz> | juliangruber: probably should ask in libuv if they do async IO for stdout/stderr like with any other file or if something is special |
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| <thlorenz> | juliangruber: remember from C that stdout stuff gets buffered and flushed later, while fprintf(stderr) gets flushed right away |
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| <defunctzombie> | iirc stdout is async but stderr is not.. but I could be wrong |
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| <thlorenz> | defunctzombie: cuz it gets buffered and flushed later right? |
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| <defunctzombie> | yea |
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| <thlorenz> | I mean in the end stdout goes to tty, so I don't know if it can really be non blocking |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: ah yes! my changes are live http://browserify-search.herokuapp.com/ |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: nice |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: tho I would make the search term a query arg |
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| <defunctzombie> | q=search+terms+here |
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| <defunctzombie> | this is more typical than a path |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: also, putting in "reactive" as a search term doesn't return reactive :) |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: that's messed up |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: but react does |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: I agree it is messed up |
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| <airportyh> | must be the way they tokenize it in mongo |
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| <defunctzombie> | you are the keeper of the logic so I pass the baton to you :) |
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| <defunctzombie> | I think we should open links in an iframe on the right |
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| <airportyh> | no it's there, just way down in the page |
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| <airportyh> | it's getting a bad score because it doesn't have github url linked |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: I think we should give higher prority to exact module name matches |
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| <defunctzombie> | ah |
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| <defunctzombie> | for example a search for "array" |
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| <defunctzombie> | returns eventemitter2 as the first result |
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| <defunctzombie> | which seems to have nothing to do with array |
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| <airportyh> | yeah, eventemitter2 also ranks high for test |
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| <airportyh> | I guess their readme just has lots of content about everything |
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| <defunctzombie> | heh |
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| <airportyh> | I guess a more sophisticated approach would be a page-rank like thing |
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| <defunctzombie> | we should weigh the keywords and module description higher than the readme |
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| <airportyh> | it already does that |
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| <airportyh> | by having those higher in the search body |
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| <airportyh> | but not enough |
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| <defunctzombie> | ah |
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| <airportyh> | the thing is some readmes talk endlessly about how good their tests are |
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| <airportyh> | and so end up getting ranked for test |
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| <defunctzombie> | rofl |
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| <defunctzombie> | maybe we should only grab the first N words of the readme |
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| <defunctzombie> | good readmes generally have a description first |
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| <defunctzombie> | and a few other details |
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| <defunctzombie> | test stuff comes later |
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| <airportyh> | yeah we could try that |
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| <dguttman> | and then there was the rise of module SEO |
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| <defunctzombie> | :D |
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| <airportyh> | :) page rank could weed these out too |
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| <airportyh> | like if it's dependent on by other test related modules? |
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| <defunctzombie> | I have a friend who use to work for google |
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| <defunctzombie> | doing machine learning |
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| <dguttman> | Sample TODO mvc framework. Tests, browserify, level, tests, tape, dat, test |
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| <defunctzombie> | I might be able to convince him to take a look at some things |
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| <airportyh> | that would be great |
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| <airportyh> | I have the python "collective intelligence" book next to me |
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| <airportyh> | I am happy that superagent gets rank 2nd for ajax |
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| <airportyh> | but jquery is like 15th for dom |
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| <defunctzombie> | haha |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: I think a heart is misleading for dependencies |
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| <defunctzombie> | makes me think likes |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: maybe use a chain icon |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: search for "link" on icomoon |
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| <ogd> | irc is where hackers talk when they don't want to be overheard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ&feature=youtu.be |
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| <pfraze> | speaking of has anybody decoded the backdoor yet? |
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| <defunctzombie> | ogd: YES |
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| <defunctzombie> | pfraze: yea |
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| <defunctzombie> | yesterday |
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| <defunctzombie> | it was finally decoded |
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| <defunctzombie> | I was alerted by my IRC bot that speaks leet |
| 17:12:40
| <defunctzombie> | ok... we need a bot here that will turn everything we write into leet |
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| <pfraze> | I'd feel safer if we did |
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| <isaacs> | ircretary: tell dominictarr pong2. maybe use email? |
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| <ircretary> | isaacs: I'll be sure to tell dominictarr |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: so trying to browserify the github module will hang indefinitely |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: ? |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: https://gist.github.com/airportyh/10930576 |
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| <airportyh> | :) |
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| <defunctzombie> | sounds like a browserify bug |
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| <defunctzombie> | probably something with streams |
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| <defunctzombie> | I blame all problems on streams |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: if we spawn browserify then we can timeout and kill it |
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| <airportyh> | harder with in-process js |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: yea, that might be smart |
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| <defunctzombie> | make an issue about it on the tester |
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| <defunctzombie> | I want to move to spawning for some things anyway so this might be a good defensive reason to do so |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: ^ |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: browserify hangs |
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| <airportyh> | https://github.com/substack/node-browserify/issues/732 |
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| <airportyh> | or I could just try to fix that :P |
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| <substack> | confirmed |
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| <substack> | airportyh: browser-resolve isn't calling its callback in require |
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| <airportyh> | substack: this one? https://github.com/defunctzombie/node-browser-resolve/blob/master/index.js#L109 |
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| <substack> | packageFilter is stuck in a loop |
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| <airportyh> | substack: narrowed to infinitely in this vicinity https://github.com/substack/node-resolve/blob/master/lib/async.js#L65-L106 |
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| <airportyh> | so github's "main" is set to "." |
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| <defunctzombie> | possible fix is for that module's main to be fixed |
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| <defunctzombie> | and for npm to not allow such tom foolery |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: but npm allows such tom foolery it seems |
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| <defunctzombie> | yes |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: either it maps . to ./index, or it just fell back to ./index |
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| <defunctzombie> | tragically things are too lenient |
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