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| <Raynos> | hello stackvmers |
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| <Raynos> | I am writing documentation |
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| <Raynos> | and I am writing `execCallback(cmd, options?, function (err, stdout) {})` as what my function looks like |
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| <Raynos> | What is the best way to make it obvouis that options argument is optional |
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| <substack> | options={} |
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| <Raynos> | cc substack, dominictarr ^^ |
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| <Raynos> | oh good idea! |
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| <mikolalysenko> | also made this thing along the way: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/simplify-2d-complex |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Question: What resources would you give someone that wanted to learn front-end javascript? |
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| <mikolalysenko> | how much programming do they know? |
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| <shama> | jesusabdullah: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/ |
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| <jesusabdullah> | shama: oh yeah, all over mdn |
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| <jesusabdullah> | mikolalysenko: Comfortable with the fundamentals, wants to figure out what to DO with it |
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| <jjjohnny> | mikolalysenko: maybe I need a cut function too? to occasionally shift half of the array? |
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| <jjjohnny> | shuffle.shuffle.shuffle.cut.shuffle.shuffle |
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| <jjjohnny> | pkrumins: we gotta play chess some time |
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| <jesusabdullah> | mikolalysenko: so, like, ramping up through doing some basic jquery shit up to "uses browserify, will do an ember app for food" |
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| <jjjohnny> | pkrumins: on my chess site http://chessfoo.com |
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| <jjjohnny> | mikolalysenko: how would one test for biasing in randomization? |
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| <shama> | jesusabdullah: I havent found anything better than the guides on MDN for generic front-end js. Unless they're looking for something very specific, like "How do I play videos?" or "How do I make games?" |
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| <jjjohnny> | jesusabdullah: it's impossible |
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| <mikolalysenko> | jjjohnny: the issue is that if you have some bias in the permutation, then it could be amplified by repeating the map |
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| <mikolalysenko> | for example, say you want to permute 2 symbols [0,1] |
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| <mikolalysenko> | there are two permutations here, [0,1] and [1,0] |
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| <mikolalysenko> | and suppose that it is maybe 0.55 prob of getting [0,1] and 0.45 prob of getting [1,0] |
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| <mikolalysenko> | hmm |
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| <mikolalysenko> | actually I just realized this example doesn't work |
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| <jjjohnny> | johnny 1, maths 0 |
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| <mikolalysenko> | haha |
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| <mikolalysenko> | you win this time! |
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| <mikolalysenko> | but it is true that you can end up amplifying the bias, just not in this case |
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| <jjjohnny> | it'd be neat to test out the bias of random in JS |
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| <mikolalysenko> | I would need to think a bit longer to construct a good example |
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| <mikolalysenko> | here is a wiki page that might help understand this a bit better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher%E2%80%93Yates_shuffle |
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| <jjjohnny> | also, i bet it would only require the smallest input, as a parameter, to unbias |
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| <jjjohnny> | like, input from the user (cut the deck) |
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| <mikolalysenko> | or you can use fisher yates to shuffle the array |
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| <jjjohnny> | yeah thats neat |
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| <mikolalysenko> | which takes only O(n) instead of possibly O(n log(n)) like .sort |
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| <jjjohnny> | hm |
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| <mikolalysenko> | that page also goes into the details of why other shuffle algorithms don't quite work |
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| <mikolalysenko> | it is worth reading I think, since it is a neat and somewhat counterintuitive result |
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| <jjjohnny> | will do. so simple too |
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| <mikolalysenko> | yeah, in particular check out this section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher%E2%80%93Yates_shuffle#Comparison_with_other_shuffling_algorithms |
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| <mikolalysenko> | it is also easy to see why the fisher-yates algorithm is correct |
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| <mikolalysenko> | since it uniformly selects one of n! possible permutations |
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| <mikolalysenko> | analyzing why various broken shuffles don't work though is much harder to do |
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| <mikolalysenko> | jjjohnny: hmm, actually you are right about repeated application of biased shuffles converging to a uniform distribution |
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| <mikolalysenko> | well, assuming that the probability of any given permutation being selected is > 0 |
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| <mikolalysenko> | this can be proved using the pigeonhole principle |
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| <mikolalysenko> | jesusabdullah: I think if they understand jquery, they can just mentally replace the "$(blah)" -> "document.querySelectorAll(blay)" |
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| <jjjohnny> | i used a similar method to the fishcer-yates to ranomize my chessboard for fischer-random chess |
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| <jjjohnny> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess960_starting_position#Polyhedral_dice_method |
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| <jjjohnny> | which variation can be played at chessfoo.com |
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| <mikolalysenko> | it feels like the older I get the more I resent writing c++ |
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| <mikolalysenko> | I think this is an unhealthy emotion |
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| <mikolalysenko> | and the worst parts of the language are in many ways the most trivial things |
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| <mikolalysenko> | like splitting every module into a .c/.h file, the awful build tools, the slow compiling, and obtuse error messages |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: pong |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: can I make the tester just mixin the results to the modules collection instead of creating a Result? |
| 21:03:33
| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: that way I don't have to write a separate thing to mixin the results later |
| 21:03:50
| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: well the main thing is I would have to wait for the jobs to finish |
| 21:04:32
| <defunctzombie> | so I was gonna change around some of the collection names |
| 21:04:44
| <defunctzombie> | specificially I was gonna make jobs actually the results |
| 21:04:51
| <defunctzombie> | for each module/version run |
| 21:05:07
| <defunctzombie> | and then change to whatever jobs is now to be called "queue" or something |
| 21:05:28
| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: you can change it to suit your needs, but I think it is useful to have a collection of just the jobs run and their results |
| 21:05:42
| <defunctzombie> | the modules collection is separate, it is more metadata like |
| 21:05:48
| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: you can make the tester update both for now |
| 21:05:56
| <defunctzombie> | we just gotta get something going |
| 21:06:01
| <defunctzombie> | and then tweak the dials after |
| 21:06:52
| <airportyh> | useful for diagnose later? |
| 21:07:43
| <airportyh> | yeah lets just do both |
| 21:08:11
| <defunctzombie> | I also want to switch the tester over to actually grabbing the npm module |
| 21:08:14
| <airportyh> | how to setup saucelabs/webdriver stuff to run? I guess I'l lneed an acount |
| 21:08:15
| <defunctzombie> | not the repo |
| 21:08:20
| <defunctzombie> | yep |
| 21:08:23
| <defunctzombie> | get a free account |
| 21:08:26
| <airportyh> | although I am content right now just runing the browserify stuff |
| 21:08:51
| <airportyh> | can I just turn queue's concurrency up to get more throughput? |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: yea |
| 21:11:54
| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: should be able to just change a number |
| 21:12:12
| <airportyh> | cool |
| 21:12:15
| <defunctzombie> | my todo list has an item to make the launcher have more arguments |
| 21:12:20
| <defunctzombie> | so you can tweak things like that |
| 21:12:33
| <defunctzombie> | and to also split up the "tester" from the downloader |
| 21:12:47
| <defunctzombie> | so you can just run the tester on any project on your system |
| 21:14:43
| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: I am gonna create a wiki on the "www" repo which will be the main wiki describing the system and how it communicates, what the collections do etc. |
| 21:14:56
| <defunctzombie> | the architecture to some degree |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: ok, I'll also need to document what I've been doing :) |
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| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: for my stuff, you should be able to clone the aggregator repo |
| 21:17:32
| <airportyh> | npm install |
| 21:17:41
| <defunctzombie> | what does the aggregator do? |
| 21:17:44
| <airportyh> | and then be able to `bin/search <keyword>` |
| 21:17:52
| <airportyh> | to try out the search engine |
| 21:17:54
| <defunctzombie> | oh I see |
| 21:18:03
| <defunctzombie> | how does it know what database? |
| 21:18:07
| <defunctzombie> | did you hard code that? :( |
| 21:18:09
| <airportyh> | oh... |
| 21:18:12
| <airportyh> | db.json |
| 21:18:21
| <airportyh> | should be {"url": "..."} |
| 21:18:25
| <defunctzombie> | k |
| 21:18:58
| <airportyh> | and… github.json should have "username" and "password", but you don't need that for just searching |
| 21:19:36
| <airportyh> | currently there are 1537 modules in db.modules |
| 21:19:54
| <defunctzombie> | what is github.json for? |
| 21:20:02
| <airportyh> | github credentials |
| 21:20:12
| <defunctzombie> | yea.. for what? |
| 21:20:15
| <airportyh> | at one point I *did* run against rate limiting |
| 21:20:28
| <airportyh> | and authenticating gave me a higher limit |
| 21:20:51
| <defunctzombie> | ah |
| 21:20:54
| <airportyh> | for github api getting github stars, forks and watcher counts |
| 21:21:12
| <defunctzombie> | isn't that stuff put into the db? |
| 21:21:29
| <airportyh> | they are now |
| 21:21:35
| <defunctzombie> | search should just be hitting out db right? |
| 21:21:39
| <defunctzombie> | *our |
| 21:21:43
| <airportyh> | correct |
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| <defunctzombie> | k |
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| <defunctzombie> | so that is if I want to populate the db? |
| 21:22:19
| <airportyh> | I also had code that handle moved repo |
| 21:22:38
| <airportyh> | like when you renamed your github handle for example |
| 21:22:52
| <airportyh> | it can handle that |
| 21:24:00
| <airportyh> | currently gets info from github api, package.json from github, npm metadata api, and npm module page to scrape the popularity info |
| 21:25:12
| <defunctzombie> | shouldn't search be separated out into a module? |
| 21:25:25
| <airportyh> | yeah, will do that |
| 21:26:05
| <airportyh> | defunctzombie: how to configure zuul for saucelabs? |
| 21:26:13
| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: see the zuul wiki |
| 21:27:08
| <airportyh> | .zuulrc? |
| 21:27:28
| <defunctzombie> | yea |
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| <airportyh> | ok cool |
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| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: I am gonna clean up the tester stuff a bit and launch it on a DO worker box |
| 21:40:01
| <defunctzombie> | airportyh: remember to change your collection from "jobs" to "queue" for the worker queue |
| 21:40:16
| <defunctzombie> | and "jobs" will now be what use to be called "results" |
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| <ogd> | airportyh: hey what are you working on these days? |
| 21:56:45
| <ogd> | airportyh: and will you be at nodeconf? |
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