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00:26:04  <isaacs>defunctzombie: that's weird. what version of npm? got a log or example you can share?
00:26:21  <defunctzombie>isaacs: (~)$ npm --version
00:26:21  <defunctzombie>1.4.4
00:26:31  <isaacs>defunctzombie: ok, well, that's pretty recent-ish
00:26:39  <isaacs>defunctzombie: in that it's the most recent published version :)
00:26:45  <defunctzombie>isaacs: log no cause I just did a publish and it worked
00:26:46  <defunctzombie>haha
00:26:56  <defunctzombie>but when I went to do "npm install <module>"
00:27:00  <defunctzombie>I got the published version
00:27:12  <defunctzombie>even tho I did "npm publish <tarbar url> --tag=rc
00:27:19  <isaacs>defunctzombie: one sec, trying myself
00:27:24  <defunctzombie>k
00:27:36  <defunctzombie>this was the express module earlier today
00:27:44  <defunctzombie>if that helps you narrow anything down server side
00:27:54  <isaacs>defunctzombie: indeed. i can repoduce, that is a bug.
00:28:39  <isaacs>defunctzombie: the bad news is that it's 5:30 pm and i have to run and buy a present for someone before the store closes.
00:28:44  <isaacs>can you post a bug on the npmjs.org repo?
00:30:12  <defunctzombie>will do
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08:56:16  <Raynos>anyone familiar with the windows equivelant of /dev/tty ?
08:56:48  <Raynos>mmalecki: /dev/tty works fine in linux, but cant find the windows equivelant
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16:57:55  <ogd>BAM https://github.com/maxogden/cat-picture#readme
16:58:23  <Altreus>internet over. ogd wins.
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17:50:28  <marcello3d>ogd: requirebin looks pretty neat---I want to see just a tiny more explanation of the why/what one'd do with it on the page
17:52:03  <marcello3d>the code font is also kinda hard to read on retina. has a very light weight
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17:53:05  <marcello3d>last thing, if I just write alert('ok'); I get an error: ReferenceError: undefinedalert is not defined
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18:05:32  <ogd>marcello3d: thx for the feedback, i think i need to link to more demos to illustrate how others have used it
18:05:48  <ogd>marcello3d: here are a few https://gist.github.com/maxogden/9425694
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18:06:58  <marcello3d>maybe a sentence like "write and run client-side javascript in your browser using npm modules"
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18:09:59  <marcello3d>cause right now it looks like just a regular pastebin, not clear that it's for running client-side javascript ala jsfiddle or whatever
18:10:10  <ogd>marcello3d: ahhh good point
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18:18:29  <kumavis>ogd maybe something more like tabs ( write | run ) would be more clear than a run/toggle view button
18:21:25  <marcello3d>I personally am a fan of the edit and run being side-by-side (closer to wysiwyg), but that's a more opinionated approach :)
18:23:39  <marcello3d>view code on requirebin logo definitely gives a recycle bin vibe :)
18:24:02  <ogd>it is a recycle bin hehe
18:24:04  <ogd>cauase you're using other peoples modules
18:26:20  <marcello3d>yea
18:27:27  <marcello3d>not sure how I feel about that cat-picture module. :)
18:27:40  <marcello3d>you know what'd be cool is if you could require gists
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18:29:04  <ogd>brycebaril: was asking me about o/
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18:33:10  <brycebaril>marcello3d: great minds think alike! yeah requiring gists would be cool
18:33:45  <marcello3d>it seems like a good starting point to get people into the mindset of building their own modules
18:33:54  <marcello3d>like hey, it's not that much more work than using them
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18:40:30  <kumavis>woah i like the rainbow loading bar
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18:56:46  <ogd>jesusabdullah: have you thought about indexing
18:57:07  <ogd>jesusabdullah: have you thought abotu indexing which modules are in multibundles so the culler can invalidate them?
18:57:36  <jesusabdullah>ogd: I don't think so
18:57:57  <jesusabdullah>ogd: I'm seriously considering ripping out app-level caching and relying on a cdn (cloudflare?)
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18:58:15  <jesusabdullah>ogd: would also take care of those pesky cache headers which don't exist right now
18:58:22  <ogd>jesusabdullah: yea +1
18:58:48  <ogd>jesusabdullah: id vote for fastly
18:58:57  <ogd>jesusabdullah: https://www.npmjs.org/package/fastly
18:59:16  <jesusabdullah>I don't know if I can afford fastly?
18:59:21  <jesusabdullah>That's why I was thinking aws
18:59:37  <ogd>jesusabdullah: i'd prefer fastly, im happy to pay for it
18:59:51  <ogd>jesusabdullah: i get gittips for this kind of thing
18:59:56  <jesusabdullah>ahh
19:00:11  <jesusabdullah>Yeah I was considering setting up gittips specifically for wzrd.in anyway so
19:00:13  <jesusabdullah>Yeah
19:00:22  <jesusabdullah>tbh I can afford it I'm just a cheapass
19:00:46  <ogd>jesusabdullah: fastly is pretty cheap
19:00:48  <ogd>jesusabdullah: for our volume
19:00:57  <jesusabdullah>What kind of volume are we getting anyway?
19:01:15  <ogd>jesusabdullah: not sure but its probably in the hundreds of modules per day area
19:01:27  <jesusabdullah>oh no way!
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20:37:36  <chapel>hows the weather jesusabdullah ?
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20:43:34  <ogd>rvagg: idea: npm install openopensourcify -g; cd module; openopensourcify # adds contribution section to readme, contributing.
20:43:47  <ogd>rvagg: and openopensourcify substack would add substack as a collaborator fromt he CLI
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20:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 95, free: 42]
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21:09:12  <mikeal>substack: curious what you think about this API https://github.com/mikeal/response
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21:12:17  <marcello3d>wait. promises are a thing now?
21:13:09  <marcello3d>are they like streams?
21:14:17  <pfraze>sort of, they have useful compositional properties like streams
21:14:39  <pfraze>streams seemed to pick up in the node world at the same time promises did in the browser world
21:15:29  <mikeal>promises are still not a thing
21:15:33  <mikeal>dont' worry
21:15:41  <ogd>mikeal: https://github.com/mikeal/response#files this example doesnt show what `f` is and how `response()` can access `'test-files.js'`
21:15:57  <mikeal>ah, yes, these are copied form tests
21:16:25  <pfraze>mikeal, you're full of it, I use and see promises in use all the time now
21:16:52  <mikeal>fixed
21:16:59  <pfraze>the contact webdev shops I know are into it, so theyre definitely becoming mainstream
21:17:04  <pfraze>s/contact/contract
21:17:08  <mikeal>total market share has declined as a percentage
21:17:25  <mikeal>that's actually observable, you can pull the numbers out of npm pretty easily
21:17:42  <pfraze>you have numbers?
21:18:01  <mikeal>yup, you do too if you care to pull them :)
21:18:10  <mikeal>parsing data from npm is really easy
21:18:16  <Domenic_># people writing http servers <<< people writing jquery or ember or angular or dojo or yui or winjs apps
21:18:30  <mikeal>the data i have from github shows some other interesting stuff
21:18:39  <mikeal>like, the likelyhood that you'll get contributions
21:19:06  <mikeal>because callbacks are the "default" the percentage of contributors per project, on average, ends up being lower
21:19:34  <mikeal>whereas, the people that are in to promises find all the promise libraries and send patches and what not
21:20:01  <mikeal>it's a weird statistic
21:20:19  <mikeal>because, there are way more "potential" people that will contribute to a project not using promises
21:20:45  <mikeal>but the percentage of "likely" contributors is higher with promises because they are so engaged
21:21:26  <pfraze>that's interesting
21:21:53  <mikeal>so it depends on your goal, if you want a little library that has a few people that help it along, promises aren't a hinderance, but you're never going to be like the next express, but you're also unlikelly to be the next "library nobody gives a shit about"
21:22:18  <mikeal>also
21:22:31  <mikeal>the long tail on contributors to front-end packages is *huge*
21:23:04  <mikeal>people who post like an issue every few months, there's a ton of them, and they are mostly observable engaging in front-end
21:23:15  <mikeal>the other thing
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21:23:18  <mikeal>Grunt is winning
21:23:54  <mikeal>bower, angular, everything else except browserify put together, is like half of Grunt
21:24:01  <mikeal>browserify is impossible to get numbers on
21:24:37  <mikeal>there's just no telling whether or not a package is being used and maintained for it :)
21:24:52  <mikeal>most packages "just work" and so the engagement can't be attributed to front-end or back-end
21:25:09  <ogd>most packages on npm do not just work with browserify
21:25:22  <mikeal>most packages you want to use don't :)
21:25:23  <ogd>mostly thanks to require('fs')
21:25:56  <mikeal>here's a good example
21:25:56  <mikeal>https://www.npmjs.org/package/grunt-html2json
21:26:24  <mikeal>if that was just a node package it would likely work in browser and front-end and we wouldn't know what the community for it is identifiable as
21:26:36  <mikeal>but because it's a grunt plugin we can consider part of that cohort
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