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03:09:29  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah, wrt to before - this inject file into tar spike is working: https://github.com/thlorenz/spinup/blob/master/lib/inject-dockerfile.js
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09:15:17  <feross>browserify question: i want to substitute a module with another using the "browser" field, but in one of my dependencies (not a module i control)
09:15:35  <feross>substack, defunctzombie_zz, any ideas?
09:16:37  <feross>i bet thlorenz has a module for this
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11:01:27  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.171.229(dev-ie6-2)
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11:20:27  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.174.105(dev-ie8-2)
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15:35:45  <defunctzombie>ircretary: help
15:35:46  <ircretary>defunctzombie: I'm not sure what to do with that command. Ask for help in PM.
15:37:54  <defunctzombie>ircretary: tell feross that we don't support that in browserify core right now, the best bet is either a transform (if that is even possible) or to fork that dependency and make it do what you need
15:37:54  <ircretary>defunctzombie: I'll be sure to tell feross
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18:10:28  <robertkowalski>is it just the monday or why is github and freenode so silent?
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18:21:51  <terinjokes>robertkowalski: we haven't worken up yet?
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18:28:28  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/8.0
18:29:58  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/8.0
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18:46:20  <spion>mikolalysenko, that Charlie Munger lecture was pretty amazing
18:46:22  <spion>:)
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18:51:07  <mikolalysenko>spion: yeah! I think I may give it another listen through later on
18:51:11  <mikolalysenko>lots of great ideas in it
18:53:58  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: A developer is waiting in the queue for explorer/8.0
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20:30:58  <creationix>Anybody want to be a beta tester for something awesome?
20:31:40  <creationix>In particular, I'm looking for people who want to make chrome packaged apps or browser-apps.
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20:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 1, free: 56]
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20:57:02  <guybrush>creationix: im currently working on a sideproject which runs with crosswalk, really impressed so far
20:57:50  <creationix>is crosswalk like phonecap/cordova?
20:57:56  <creationix>never heard of this one
20:59:38  <guybrush>its different to phonegap since it provides a blink with all html5-features not just a webview
20:59:56  <guybrush>though its not for ios
21:01:06  <guybrush>but you get webgl and webrtc on android :D so its really awesome
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21:02:15  <guybrush>also indexeddb
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21:14:42  <creationix>guybrush, that's pretty cool
21:17:04  <guybrush>yes i dont like apps actually, apps should just be bookmarks -- but anyway crosswalk is a huge win for web vs native
21:17:28  <creationix>I've been having fun with chrome apps
21:17:43  <creationix>basically native apps for any desktop that has chrome (which obviously includes chromebooks)
21:18:07  <creationix>and much lighter than bundling webkit/blink and/or node
21:18:18  <guybrush>im following your adventures on gh and twitter, looking forward to use your tedit :)
21:19:22  <guybrush>though im kind of sceptical to use the browser-builtin-fs-thing/whatever and not real fs
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21:21:32  <creationix>guybrush, I'm not using chrome's fs layer for storage
21:21:51  <guybrush>you are storing git in the browser isnt it?
21:21:56  <creationix>the file tree is just a projection of the git graph (git is a directed graph internally)
21:22:31  <creationix>right, I have a git database. One backend is local using indexedDB, though mostly I've been using the one that mounts github repos plan9 style
21:22:44  <creationix>in that mode, github *is* the filesystem
21:23:04  <creationix>it's suprizingly fast, plus you never need to wait for a clone.
21:23:20  <creationix>and you don't need to push either. All manual commits are direct to github
21:23:54  <guybrush>so you cant work offline?
21:23:54  <creationix>but other changes, create hidden commits that aren't visible on github and never appear in your history
21:23:59  <creationix>not in github mode
21:24:06  <creationix>but you can in indexedDB mode
21:24:21  <creationix>though I still need to implement the rest of push/pull to make offline mode useful
21:24:45  <guybrush>cool
21:25:14  <guybrush>though i would really like to see more options other than github
21:25:27  <guybrush>like some privately hosted git or just a git on the local fs
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21:26:12  <jjjohhny>creationix: is that indexDB actually local, or is sandboxed?
21:26:41  <creationix>jjjohhny, sandbox is local, not sure what you mean
21:26:54  <creationix>idb is stored on the hard-drive in a private app data folder
21:26:57  <guybrush>afaik its just a leveldb on your local fs
21:27:09  <creationix>yep
21:27:21  <jjjohhny>I mean, is it succeptible to careless user data clearing
21:27:40  <creationix>if the user removes the chrome app, it will wipe the data
21:28:02  <creationix>but a user can also rm-rf their code dir
21:28:21  <jjjohhny>what about clearing all data (like with cookies, localstoraage)
21:28:38  <creationix>no, that doesn't wipe it (I think)
21:29:43  <creationix>so I'm actually talking to the guy at Google responsible for making IDB rock-solid stable
21:29:57  <creationix>these are the times that I know where we delete IDB's:
21:29:57  <creationix>Uninstall an extension (just the extension's IDB's)
21:29:57  <creationix>Incognito mode. Actually those IDB's are never written to disk.
21:29:57  <creationix>The database is determined to be corrupted. I can tell you more about this.
21:29:57  <creationix>Exhaustion of device quota. Apparently in addition to the origin quota we also have a system-wide quota, which if you exceed, will delete client side storage LRU.
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21:30:42  <jjjohhny>buh
21:31:39  <creationix>now it is possible to write to the user-space filesystem in chrome packaged apps as of chrome 31
21:31:40  <jjjohhny>the fear of sandboxed data loss will keep my apps synced to the web
21:31:50  <creationix>so I could store the data there instead of in idb
21:32:06  <creationix>personally, I always push my code to github at the end of the day
21:32:15  <creationix>my laptops/desktops get wiped in a regular basis
21:32:16  <jjjohhny>i mean data created in app
21:32:43  <jjjohhny>in my case, currently, large audio files
21:33:20  <creationix>yeah, I've have an online backup of any important data
21:33:29  <creationix>the point of offline-mode in tedit is to be able to work while on the road
21:33:34  <guybrush>haha like everyone uses git also for big binary files against the advice of linus
21:33:36  <jjjohhny>i wish the browsers would go to a permissions system
21:34:04  <jjjohhny>and make it nice
21:34:08  <creationix>when when you reconnect to the internet, you can sync with your backups/published dbs
21:34:10  <jjjohhny>ask for all permissions up front
21:34:20  <guybrush>jjjohhny: you can implement this in the app
21:34:38  <feross>defunctzombie: i got your note
21:34:40  <feross>thanks!
21:34:41  <guybrush>and maybe even encrypt stuff
21:34:41  <jjjohhny>remember permissions granted
21:35:15  <feross>tell defunctzombie that ircretary is neat
21:35:25  <jjjohhny>like, go to web app: this app can access your: cam, mix, file system, etc, accept / deny
21:35:26  <guybrush>hey feross im heavily interested in peercdn, will it be some service you are selling or something?
21:35:37  <feross>guybrush: we actually sold peercdn to yahoo
21:35:38  <defunctzombie>feross: hahaha
21:35:47  <feross>guybrush: so it's no more
21:35:54  <guybrush>hm :/
21:36:02  <defunctzombie>guybrush: yahoo was also interested
21:36:07  <defunctzombie>guybrush: you should have bid more
21:36:08  <guybrush>hahaha
21:36:26  <feross>guybrush: for something vaguely similar, see webtorrent
21:36:28  <jjjohhny>maybe yahoo will sell it
21:36:30  <guybrush>feross: anyway congratulations
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21:36:35  <feross>http://webtorrent.io/
21:36:40  <feross>thanks! :D
21:37:05  <guybrush>feross: oh i know about webtorrent :DD this is one thing im actually visiting every day :)
21:37:17  <feross>guybrush: oh rly? wow
21:37:31  <guybrush>i think its a game-changer (a big one)
21:37:51  <feross>ahh, that's so inspiring to hear!
21:38:09  <feross>yesterday i finally got a full bittorrent client working
21:38:15  <guybrush>wooot
21:38:19  <feross>now i need to add the webrtc parts
21:38:29  <guybrush>a chromeapp?
21:38:34  <feross>yep
21:38:39  <guybrush>nice
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21:39:08  <feross>what works so far is: using the DHT to find peers, using the magnet uri to get the torrent metadata, fetching the data, saving it, showing progress in the ui
21:39:20  <feross>uploading works too
21:39:28  <guybrush>really nice
21:39:48  <feross>next i want to stream the video to an html5 video tag, then from a local http server to VLC
21:40:02  <feross>then i want to do the webrtc version of the protocol
21:40:14  <feross>guybrush: if you are interested, i could use help!
21:40:15  <guybrush>sounds really exciting :D
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21:40:46  <guybrush>im pretty deep in work but would love to help if i get some free time
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21:41:39  <feross>cool, hit me up in #webtorrent when you're free
21:41:43  <feross>also, where do you work?
21:41:57  <guybrush>oh wow nice theres a irc-channel?
21:42:04  <feross>lol, i'm the only one in there now
21:42:10  <guybrush>im doing contract and some secret projects :p
21:42:24  <feross>ooh, secret projects. fun!
21:43:41  <guybrush>yeah im currently shooting for funding (like gov-funding-programs)
21:43:53  <guybrush>though didnt have much success yet haha :D
21:44:26  <daleharvey>so theres a bunch of files I cant change, they have var foo = 'bar';
21:44:52  <daleharvey>what nasty thing can I do that will let me require them in node?
21:45:13  <defunctzombie>?
21:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [free: 7]
21:49:18  <daleharvey>defunctzombie: was that ? for me, seems clear
21:49:30  <defunctzombie>daleharvey: yea
21:49:38  <defunctzombie>daleharvey: I have no idea what you are asking
21:50:37  <daleharvey>I have a javascript file that just defines variables / functions, it wasnt made for node / doesnt use exports
21:50:41  <daleharvey>I want to use it in node
21:51:02  <defunctzombie>daleharvey: make it use exports
21:51:13  <defunctzombie>don't see what the issue is
21:52:11  <daleharvey>I cant change the file
21:52:17  <defunctzombie>why not?
21:52:59  <marcello3d>daleharvey: https://github.com/thlorenz/browserify-shim
21:53:38  <daleharvey>because there is a ton of them deep into a larger project and it would require more effort than I want to do for testing
21:53:43  <defunctzombie>marcello3d: I don't think that will do it for him but daleharvey should try I guess
21:53:57  <defunctzombie>well, you do the effort once
21:54:00  <defunctzombie>and then done
21:55:33  <daleharvey>marcello3d: good call, cheers
21:57:34  <marcello3d>tell me how it works, I've never actually used it myself, but heard about it from thlorenz at a meetup
21:58:37  <daleharvey>defunctzombie: its best to assume that people are asking a question for a reason
21:59:00  <defunctzombie>daleharvey: I haven't found that to be true all that often :)
21:59:13  <defunctzombie>I have found that more often there is something more fundamental being asked
21:59:50  <defunctzombie>anyhow.. hope shim works for you
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22:19:01  <marcello3d>anyone here used gulp?
22:19:10  <terinjokes>marcello3d: heylo
22:20:12  <marcello3d>have you used it for watch mode?
22:20:23  <terinjokes>indeed, what's up
22:20:36  <marcello3d>I've been playing around with it, and one problem I've noticed is if errors occur in one of the processing steps, the whole thing crashes out
22:20:53  <marcello3d>even if I add an on('error', ... ) to each of the tasks
22:21:55  <terinjokes>marcello3d: i believe this will be fixed as part of https://github.com/robrich/orchestrator/issues/20
22:22:27  <terinjokes>which robrich says is "soon"
22:22:29  <marcello3d>haha ok
22:22:58  <marcello3d>been putting together a little gulp boilerplate: https://github.com/marcello3d/gulp-boilerplate.js
22:23:05  <terinjokes>there's also an IRC for gulp-related issues, #gulpjs
22:23:09  <marcello3d>had to rewrite gulp-uglify and made a gulp-watchify
22:23:29  <terinjokes>gulp-uglify is also being rewritten by it's author
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22:24:07  <terinjokes>who might be interested in opened issues :cough:
22:24:11  <marcello3d>haha
22:24:39  <marcello3d>yea, should probably do that. sometimes you just want to get something working---and it was a good way to learn how gulp works a bit more
22:25:40  <terinjokes>:)
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22:25:47  <terinjokes>also leads to duplicated work
22:26:10  <marcello3d>not always the end of the world
22:26:53  <terinjokes>indeed not, sometimes brings great ideas to the table
22:28:01  <marcello3d>so, just having noticed that it's *your* repo, how far are you on the rewrite?
22:28:46  <marcello3d>the main thing I did was support streams (which browserify generates) using BufferStreams: https://github.com/marcello3d/gulp-boilerplate.js/blob/master/gulp-uglify.js
22:29:12  <marcello3d>I also looked a little bit into stripping out the sourcemaps that browserify generates so that I could pass them into uglify, but didn't spend too much time on it
22:29:17  <terinjokes>switching to the correct channel :)
22:29:20  <marcello3d>ok :)
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22:39:52  <defunctzombie>gulp rofl
22:39:58  <defunctzombie>now you have to debug your build system
22:40:06  <defunctzombie>maybe you will write tests for your build system too
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22:45:19  <marcello3d>I probably should
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22:47:19  <rowbit1>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 8, free: 45]
22:47:59  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 50.57.174.105 (dev-ie8-2)
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22:50:51  <marcello3d>but I'm really just using this as an alternative to enchilada/stylish
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22:52:39  <creationix>has anyone had a chance to test out tedit's built-in build system?
22:52:51  <creationix>it's quite different from grunt/gulp and friends
22:55:37  <terinjokes>hopefully you have
22:56:06  <terinjokes>i've seen it around, but haven't dug into it (no README and a billion other things to do)
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22:57:47  <marcello3d>creationix: is tedit out?
22:57:56  <marcello3d>I saw a video of it but wasn't sure beyond that
22:58:06  <creationix>depends on what you mean by "out"
22:58:15  <creationix>it's been in the chrome store for a while
22:58:22  <creationix>but it's recently gotten quite useful
22:58:28  <creationix>still a little sharp on the edge
22:58:36  <marcello3d>chrome store?
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22:58:47  <marcello3d>didn't know people used that :)
22:58:54  <marcello3d>I'm guessing it doesn't run on firefox then
22:58:58  <creationix>https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tedit-development-environ/ooekdijbnbbjdfjocaiflnjgoohnblgf
22:59:04  <creationix>well, it's a chrome packaged app
22:59:19  <creationix>I would port it to the firefox app format, but they don't allow apps on desktop
22:59:29  <marcello3d>interesting
22:59:29  <creationix>FxOS apps only run on FxOS phones
22:59:32  <marcello3d>sure
22:59:53  <terinjokes>creationix: ah, that's where i've seen it before
22:59:57  <terinjokes>chrome web store
23:00:08  <marcello3d>alright, installed
23:00:26  <creationix>marcello3d, Starting today, I'm offering consulting services to anyone wanting to use tedit
23:00:32  <marcello3d>hmm, I don't know Jack
23:00:56  <creationix>marcello3d, that's ok, you don't need to know it
23:01:28  <marcello3d>what text editor are you using?
23:01:29  <rowbit1>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.171.229(dev-ie6-2)
23:02:01  <creationix>that's pretty much stock ace
23:02:12  <creationix>I just adjusted the auto-complete to be tab
23:02:12  <daleharvey>creationix: fxos apps run on desktop
23:02:22  <creationix>daleharvey, since when?
23:03:09  <creationix>daleharvey, if you find out a way to run this on desktop, please let me know https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/git-browser
23:03:14  <daleharvey>dunno, about a year ago I seen it first I think
23:03:25  <creationix>I think they since disabled it
23:03:39  <marcello3d>creationix: I somehow closed out of the help page that said the keyboard shortcuts, now I have an executable js file but no clear way to run it
23:03:47  <creationix>at least for apps using special APIs (like raw TCP access)
23:03:57  <creationix>marcello3d, yeah, it's not the most user friendly yet
23:04:08  <marcello3d>I like the icon
23:04:26  <creationix>marcello3d, so currently, there are two output modes, either spawn a local webserver, or live export to disk
23:04:36  <daleharvey>creationix, oh yeh, desktop has no concept of privileged apis
23:05:04  <creationix>marcello3d, if you want to call me on G+ or skype, I can walk you through it
23:05:50  <creationix>marcello3d, so if you're making a web app, right click on the folder you want to serve from and create a local web server
23:06:04  <marcello3d>appreciate the offer, but don't want to waste your time---I was just dicking around
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23:06:20  <creationix>marcello3d, it's not wasting my time. I need feedback
23:06:39  <creationix>so watch the video in the web store listing to see most the features
23:07:14  <marcello3d>alright
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