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00:00:32  <isaacs>marcello3d: restored from backup.
00:00:36  <isaacs>marcello3d: you didn't unpublish it?
00:00:41  <marcello3d>not to my knowledge
00:00:58  <marcello3d>I mean, I haven't touched the project in years
00:01:12  <marcello3d>someone emailed me about it today
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00:20:39  <jesusabdullah>Playing with twisted (yes THAT twisted) and just got to deferreds
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00:27:27  <jesusabdullah>Basically
00:27:33  <jesusabdullah>I HAVE MY REASONS
00:27:33  <LOUDBOT>PUBLIC AWARENESS NOTICE. ATTENTION APPLE USERS!!!!
00:27:42  <jesusabdullah>If I actually do what I plan to, I'll def blog about it
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00:47:07  <defunctzombie>feross: ping
00:47:23  <feross>defunctzombie: hey
00:47:32  <defunctzombie>feross: https://github.com/LearnBoost/engine.io/issues/194
00:47:45  <defunctzombie>feross: does use strict have to just appear in any script tag before?
00:47:53  <defunctzombie>and it will break?
00:48:49  <feross>no, i think the issue is when 'use script' appears in the same script
00:49:09  <isaacs>marcello3d: I think I tracked down the problem.
00:49:19  <feross>before browserify, i was using a build tool that stuck that in at the top
00:49:37  <isaacs>marcello3d: there were some mysterious deletes from some kind of hiccup between iriscouch and the initial data export, which i thought that I'd fixed, but apparently, I'd missed about 100 packages.
00:49:42  <isaacs>marcello3d: they're all replaced now.
00:49:51  <marcello3d>interesting
00:49:52  <isaacs>marcello3d: this is why you make backups before every relevant change :)
00:50:00  <marcello3d>good job :D
00:50:11  <feross>defunctzombie: i meant 'use strict', not 'use script'
00:51:16  <defunctzombie>feross: so it isn't an issue if using our build file now?
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00:58:42  <feross>defunctzombie: i'm not sure, haven't tested it recently
00:58:53  <feross>i switched to using raw websockets to get around the problem
01:00:55  <defunctzombie>haha
01:00:58  <defunctzombie>lamz
01:01:09  <defunctzombie>engine.io is teh awesome
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01:38:02  <jesusabdullah>oh man I just realized my old bot got banned from like everything after node-irc started inexplicably crash-looping
01:38:13  <jesusabdullah>That's what I get for putting on such a short restart interval >_<
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01:57:15  <owen1>defunctzombie_zz: do u prefer ingine.io over socket.io?
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02:33:11  <jesusabdullah>lulz I just built an irc bot with twisted
02:33:14  <jesusabdullah>and it works
02:33:21  <jesusabdullah>and I've hidden 80% of the setup code
02:33:58  <jesusabdullah>Man oh man do I dislike some things about python though
02:34:04  <jesusabdullah>I have to fight it in really weird ways
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05:15:12  <jesusabdullah>GOD twisted is weird
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05:33:56  <defunctzombie>owen1: yes, mostly for lower level things where I don't need all the api offered by socket.io
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05:48:27  <defunctzombie>substack: hot stuff with the new mine module
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06:05:00  <owen1>defunctzombie: "engine.io will be integrated into socket.io 1.0" - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9610951/how-is-engine-io-different-from-socket-io
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06:05:43  <owen1>so i guess very soon we should all use socket.io
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06:24:33  <dimadima>lulz jesusabdullah: "You should know that what I buried behind Carl's Jr was just a cigarette butt, and that this script is obviously not for serious use."
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17:11:41  <defunctzombie>owen1: still depends on what API level you are looking for, but yes, it will be the transport for engine.io soon
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18:23:54  <guybrush>haha love it how watchify just rebuilds everything when i switch the git-branch :D
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20:51:15  <timoxley>Can anyone suggest a module for serialising/deserialising objects along with stuff that JSON doesn't recognise e.g. functions, Dates, etc?
20:53:46  <timoxley>e.g. https://github.com/mixu/snapshot
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21:13:31  <guybrush>timoxley: eventually https://github.com/substack/js-traverse
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21:15:14  <timoxley>guybrush: I mean, I can see how I could use that to make something like I suggested but I was hoping for "there's a module for that"
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21:16:09  <guybrush>right, sorry nothing in mind
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21:17:08  <timoxley>guybrush: also it has a strange pulsing dl history https://nodei.co/npm-dl/traverse.png?months=6
21:17:20  <guybrush>haha
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21:19:42  <juliangruber>timoxley: http://docs.meteor.com/#ejson
21:19:44  <juliangruber>not all though
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21:20:02  <juliangruber>and there's e-json on npm
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21:21:04  <juliangruber>timoxley: and maybe https://github.com/visionmedia/eson
21:21:06  <timoxley>juliangruber: thanks, that's pretty neat, binary support +1 though specifically looking for function serialisation.
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21:22:12  <timoxley>juliangruber: hm, eson could be used
21:22:38  <timoxley>though not exactly what I'm looking for
21:22:52  <timoxley>eson really useful.
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21:28:17  <guybrush>btw i think the dl-history is due to npm-outages
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21:28:49  <guybrush>most popular modules have similar graphs
21:28:57  <timoxley>ahh
21:28:58  <timoxley>haha oops
21:29:19  <guybrush>https://nodei.co/npm-dl/browserify.png?months=12 this looks promising :D
21:29:34  <guybrush>hopefully everyone just will use browserify
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21:55:20  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 1, free: 10]
22:01:18  <andreypopp>https://nodei.co/npm-dl/bower.png?months=12 :(
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22:11:03  <guybrush>oh :/
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22:41:20  <timoxley>guybrush: hm, I guess that pulsing pattern is the workweek vs weekends… and the disruption at the end due to holidays
22:41:30  <timoxley>interesting
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22:52:11  <guybrush>oh that could be
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22:55:20  <rowbit>Daily usage stats: [developer: 6, free: 236]
22:55:20  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 1, free: 18]
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23:51:01  <feross>looking for an example of how to keep model/view/controller mostly separate in a moderately complex client-side app, but I don't think i want a framework like angular or backbone
23:51:53  <feross>any pointers to folks who are doing it right?
23:52:13  <feross>or should i just use eventemitter and hook everything up to the dom manually?
23:54:19  <guybrush>feross: i tried to make everything just eventemitter/dom myself and then used backbone since it turned out to be just that (but actually im looking back)
23:55:09  <feross>guybrush: so you recommend backbone? using anything that large always feels like such a commitment
23:55:20  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 18]
23:55:46  <guybrush>no i dont recommend it if you really have an idea and know exactly how you want to do it
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23:56:53  <owen1>juliangruber: take a look at https://moot.it/riotjs/docs/#module-interface (sample app here - https://github.com/moot/riotjs-admin)
23:57:04  <guybrush>feross: but for example i think jquery is still a thing i think is ok to use, you are going to extend the native dom-api anyway..
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23:57:16  <owen1>I am curious about your opinion regarding riot.js
23:57:25  <defunctzombie>feross: I use component/reactive and bamboo
23:57:29  <defunctzombie>with great success
23:57:50  <owen1>defunctzombie: any sample app for that?
23:58:06  <defunctzombie>hm
23:58:14  <defunctzombie>owen1: nope.. I guess I should write one :)
23:58:23  <defunctzombie>another TODO
23:58:27  <guybrush>also i heard substack saying he works on some cool thing for the dom composed of tiny modules
23:58:33  <defunctzombie>but I use that for my website and for mobile app
23:58:50  <defunctzombie>guybrush: both of those are tiny enough for me for now
23:59:05  <feross>defunctzombie: pointer to bamboo? unsure if i'm looking at the right thing
23:59:39  <guybrush>defunctzombie: i dont know about bamboo never heard of it
23:59:47  <defunctzombie>feross: https://github.com/defunctzombie/bamboo
23:59:55  <guybrush>feross: also there is vue, which i looked into lately
23:59:58  <defunctzombie>feross: similar to component/modella iirc