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00:15:58  <substack>isaacs: I've been just writing out a usage.txt by hand
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00:18:40  <defunctzombie>commander all the way
00:19:33  <substack>defunctzombie: nah, optimist was too big
00:19:36  <substack>too much surface area
00:19:51  <mikolalysenko>substack: whoa! big move!
00:19:53  <defunctzombie>meh.. I prefer convenience when writing CLI opt stuff
00:20:00  <defunctzombie>I like my help generated
00:20:07  <defunctzombie>and commander api is simple
00:20:10  <defunctzombie>less work for me
00:20:17  <substack>I've just been writing out usage.txt files for the past 1.5 years
00:20:23  <mikolalysenko>kinda makes me want to go through and deprecate a lot of my older modules
00:20:29  <defunctzombie>no one is ever happy with any one options parsing solution
00:20:45  <defunctzombie>yea.. I don't like writing usage.txt cause then it has more chance to get out of date
00:20:51  <defunctzombie>just one more thing for me to think about
00:20:54  <defunctzombie>but if it works it works
00:21:11  <defunctzombie>substack: what new laptop did you get?
00:21:20  <substack>defunctzombie: it's the same model as my old one
00:21:26  <defunctzombie>ah
00:21:31  <substack>so I could just swap the HD
00:21:43  <terinjokes>substack: what happened?
00:23:55  <substack>terinjokes: when I replaced a screw that had become stripped I accidentally screwed into the motherboard
00:24:31  <terinjokes>whoops!
00:24:46  <terinjokes>i'm missing two screws on the bottom of my MBP
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00:30:32  <mikolalysenko>substack: isaacs: how did you fix the deprecate forbidden name invalid undefined error? I am cleaning up a bit and hitting the same bug
00:31:28  <substack>mikolalysenko: I still get that error
00:31:58  <mikolalysenko>oh
00:32:01  <mikolalysenko>:(
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00:33:11  <marcello3d>isaacs: were you in dogpatch last night by any chance?
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01:06:31  <groundwater>usage.txt
01:06:40  <groundwater>but honestly, my cli stuff is usually a functional mess
01:07:46  <joaoafrmartins>and thats why i think grunt is a pig!
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01:14:08  <isaacs>marcello3d: i don't think so.
01:14:15  <isaacs>marcello3d: i was in soma and southpark
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01:17:38  <groundwater>maybe there is an issacs clone who is friends with the ogd clone
01:17:48  <groundwater>s/issacs/isaacs
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01:18:00  <terinjokes>isaacs: i've been working on some private registry npm stuff on the side (though publicly only released docker-npmjs). is npm, inc planning on primarily working on the public npm for now, i'd hate to be stepping on your toes
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01:22:22  <isaacs>FIxed publishes of new packages. Sorry
01:23:18  <isaacs>terinjokes: we will be doing private modules eventually, yes. But don't worry about stepping on toes. Do whatever you do, and we can compete or merge or learn from each other or be partners or all of the above :)
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01:35:01  <terinjokes>isaacs: sounds great
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01:52:40  <chapel>isaacs, a gentleman of business :)
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02:05:21  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: Neat blog post with the skim and fat dbs n' all ^__^
02:08:02  <chapel>yeah
02:08:06  <chapel>how goes it jesusabdullah ?
02:08:08  <chapel>moved yet?
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02:27:57  <airportyh>defunctzombie: http://www.meetup.com/AtlantaJavaScript/events/156234922/ this look okay?
02:28:39  <defunctzombie>airportyh: awesome
02:28:51  <airportyh>defunctzombie: cool
02:29:03  <defunctzombie>airportyh: altho the open source hero part is a bit much :)
02:29:23  <airportyh>defunctzombie: lol, I am leaving it in
02:29:27  <defunctzombie>airportyh: last name is misspelled btw
02:29:56  <airportyh>defunctzombie: oops, fixed
02:30:03  <defunctzombie>coo
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02:44:35  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: airportyh: "CoffeeScript: it's Just JavaScript" so not true, but no surprise coming from a "man of BackboneRails fame" - rofl
02:44:52  <airportyh>thlorenz: lol
02:44:54  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: yea...
02:45:09  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: we can't all be perfect
02:45:39  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: :)
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03:04:03  <jesusabdullah>holy shit am I glad I wrote licenseify
03:05:16  <defunctzombie>\o/
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03:09:04  <grncdr>jesusabdullah: were you still working on a browser-based IRC client?
03:09:42  <grncdr>I've been thinking about working on one, not sure if you've already got something going :)
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03:18:06  <timoxley>jesusabdullah: I've been checking this PR every day and every day I get sadder https://github.com/jesusabdullah/licenseify/pull/2
03:19:48  <jjjohnny>is openlayer awful?
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03:53:33  <jesusabdullah>timoxley: oh shit I did not know about this >_< Sorry I get a lot of mail and I've been preoccupied lately. Thanks.
03:54:02  <jesusabdullah>timoxley: sick, *approval* will merge in 5 mins
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03:56:15  <jesusabdullah>Didn't somebody write a handy-dandy module for line delimited streams?
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04:16:51  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: dominictarr wrote some split-stream thing once, but that's for old style streams
04:17:29  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: Yeah that's all I could find
04:18:01  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: https://github.com/jesusabdullah/npmlinxxx Give it a shot
04:18:23  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: cool I'll try it next time I need to link something
04:18:50  <jesusabdullah>word
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04:21:32  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: just released: https://github.com/thlorenz/sync-stream.c
04:21:47  <thlorenz>hardest part was to figure out when to free things and when to leave it to the user
04:21:58  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: wait why?
04:22:08  <thlorenz>why what?
04:23:14  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: it's sync, but I just mainly figured out good API here - next step is build an async version on top of libuv
04:23:34  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: oh I see
04:23:40  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: word
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04:38:29  <jesusabdullah>timoxley: I decided . was best since that way typing "licenseify" alone shows help instead of Doing Things
04:39:15  <timoxley>jesusabdullah: +1 is sane
04:39:34  <jesusabdullah>Man I'm actually getting together a decent collection of tools here XD
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04:53:32  <feross>fyi: native-buffer-browserify is on 2.1.x now: https://github.com/feross/native-buffer-browserify
04:53:39  <feross>added utf16 support
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06:46:07  <substack>has anyone made a css transforms field that works similarly to the browserify transforms field?
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06:52:42  <terinjokes>substack: i thought xcss might, but doesn't look like it does
06:52:56  <terinjokes>xcss supports transforms, but only from the API/CLI
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07:54:44  <substack>andreypopp: want a patch for xss to make css transforms work like the browserify transform field?
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08:19:29  <terinjokes>substack: i talked about it previously, there's a convincing case not to
08:19:47  <terinjokes>if only it was possible to search twitter for the convo
08:21:03  <terinjokes>substack: it boils down to how users expect CSS variables and macros and stuff to work within rework
08:21:32  <terinjokes>but i'm missing all the really convincing parts of the argument, i'm sure
08:22:49  <trodrigues>terinjokes: on side a note, I found out recently you can extract convos out of twitter and see them on the web. but you can only extract the convos with tweetdeck apparently
08:23:07  <trodrigues>side a note? what the...
08:23:09  <andreypopp>substack: yep!
08:24:02  <andreypopp>substack: this is on roadmap to 1.0
08:25:41  <terinjokes>https://twitter.com/terinjokes/status/403990989804548097
08:25:58  <terinjokes>was in november though, so obviously times change
08:27:20  <terinjokes>we're still in sass-land preciously because i wasn't sure where this was going (and my time has mostly been preoccupied with JS & browserify stuff)
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08:31:04  <substack>terinjokes: I've not used rework, not sure how rework changes things
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08:33:17  <terinjokes>rework has transforms, but they expect to be used on the compiled source, not an individual part… so there's not a direct correlation between rework transforms and browserify transforms
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08:33:53  <terinjokes>dunno if andreypopp would be able to explain it better, i've only spent 3 days off-and-one playing with rework and xcss
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08:39:07  <andreypopp>basically some transforms should process dependencies in some way — to bring "something" in scope, like rework-inherit
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08:44:32  <terinjokes>andreypopp: or, i assume macros or other definitions
08:45:42  <andreypopp>terinjokes: yes, and rework transforms have single pass now, that means that deps will be processed too — transforms can "leak" outside of package...
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08:49:12  <terinjokes>andreypopp: i think xcss/rework would vibe better to me if there was clearer exports, rather than something that seems to be optimized towards concatting and processing, but not sure how that exactly would work
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08:58:03  <anvaka>hey guys, I'm playing with declarative 'require' from html file..
08:58:14  <anvaka>here is pre alpha demo https://github.com/anvaka/sj
08:58:28  <anvaka>would really love to hear what you think
09:05:27  <andreypopp>terinjokes: yes, but that becomes closer to less/sass/... and other big things... which are entire languages for simulating dynamic features on top of static CSS semantics
09:06:01  <andreypopp>terinjokes: probably the best idea is just to use JavaScript to generate CSS
09:07:31  <terinjokes>andreypopp: heh, but our designers will throw a fit!
09:08:19  <andreypopp>terinjokes: what if we can design a set of macros to generate CSS? https://gist.github.com/andreypopp/8840788
09:08:34  <terinjokes>andreypopp: i'm happy with semantics of what a "transform" means being different between browserify and xcss if it fits the goal of generating css between
09:13:18  <andreypopp>terinjokes: and... we can translate plain CSS modules to JS... before "evaluating"
09:13:32  <andreypopp>terinjokes: wow... I think that's the best solution
09:14:00  <terinjokes>andreypopp: there's things that rework can do that would be hard to describe in plain css
09:14:18  <andreypopp>terinjokes: then you describe it as JS!
09:15:13  <andreypopp>terinjokes: look, we have all CSS with described with JS, but... we have a preprocessor which converts CSS syntax (friendly for designers!) into a CommonJS module, and only then we evaluate everything to get the final structure
09:15:23  <andreypopp>which then would be serialised into CSS
09:15:49  <andreypopp>so you have the power of JS everywhere
09:16:27  <andreypopp>do I make sense? :-)
09:16:37  <terinjokes>andreypopp: somewhat
09:18:25  <terinjokes>how would you do something like rework-parent or css-whitespace?
09:19:39  <andreypopp>terinjokes: that's a syntax thing, you just can use css-whitespace to transform CSS into JS
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09:20:48  <terinjokes>i'd have to play around with it i think
09:21:15  <andreypopp>terinjokes: what do I mean by CSS to JS translation https://gist.github.com/andreypopp/8840946
09:21:16  <terinjokes>does this mean moving away from rework or using rework to parse from CSS to JS?
09:21:39  <andreypopp>terinjokes: using css-parse or css-whitespace for that
09:21:56  <andreypopp>terinjokes: a lot of rework transforms would be just trivial using such approach
09:24:23  <andreypopp>terinjokes: to generate CSS you just require a module with Stylesheet and call .toString() on it
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09:27:31  <terinjokes>it sounds like a good place to start then
09:28:28  <terinjokes>what about macros?
09:28:52  <terinjokes>i assume with some way to call imported/required functions?
09:29:35  <andreypopp>terinjokes: yes, plain JS functions
09:29:46  <andreypopp>which can do everything
09:30:02  <andreypopp>even fetch your stylesheet from a database :-)
09:31:24  <terinjokes>.block { coloredPosition('absolute red'); } ===> .block { position: absolute; border: 1px solid red; }
09:31:27  <terinjokes>or such?
09:32:22  <andreypopp>terinjokes: could be just colored-position: absolute red;
09:32:41  <andreypopp>we can check if coloredPosition is in module's scope
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09:33:42  <terinjokes>so like the example i stole it from
09:33:45  <terinjokes>:P
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09:47:39  <andreypopp>the question is should it be based on top of http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom/
09:53:48  <terinjokes>andreypopp: do you want to manage a CSSOM implementation for the sake of transforms (i'll probably eat these words)
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09:55:16  <andreypopp>it seems pretty verbose and complex :(
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09:55:56  <andreypopp>but that would allow us to reuse code to do transforms in a browser on loaded stylesheet
09:56:07  <andreypopp>assuming it was parsed correctly
09:56:16  <andreypopp>probably it's not worth it...
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12:53:25  <juliangruber>ogd: or do you think that would barely be faster than reg.exec(buf.toString())
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18:02:05  <grncdr>jesusabdullah: there is https://github.com/williamwicks/node-eachline#transforming-streams
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19:17:18  <jesusabdullah>grncdr: Excellent.
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19:47:44  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz is visiting my office. BE JEALOUS
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20:16:10  <terinjokes>jesusabdullah: i'm jealous
20:16:18  <jesusabdullah>GOOD
20:16:22  <jesusabdullah>XD
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20:25:09  <ogd>juliangruber: what are you trying to match?
20:25:21  <ogd>juliangruber: buf.toString() is pretty slow, relatively speaking
20:25:25  <juliangruber>ogd: a value out of a json response in a buffer
20:25:28  <jjjohnny>whats the deal with canvas widths and heights, why do they have to be declared as properties of the element itself instead of the style/css
20:26:21  <juliangruber>ogd: e.g. buf.toString() == '{id:'foo',bar:'baz'}' and i want to parse out the id without stringifying
20:27:02  <ogd>juliangruber: JSONStream (well, jsonparse) doesnt use .toString()
20:27:18  <ogd>juliangruber: its a binary parser, so to speak
20:27:34  <ogd>juliangruber: so you might be able to use it to do what you want
20:28:04  <juliangruber>ogd: the buffer can be 5mb big
20:28:43  <juliangruber>ogd: see for a test on strings why i wouldn't stringify: http://jsperf.com/single-json-key
20:29:35  <ogd>juliangruber: the slow part is turning a node Buffer into a String
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20:32:13  <juliangruber>oh, true
20:32:25  <juliangruber>ogd: JSON.stringify() on a 7mb string takes 0ms
20:32:31  <juliangruber>wow such performance
20:32:58  <juliangruber>oh wait
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20:35:16  <juliangruber>uh i could just iterate over the buffer and search for the key i'm looking for manually
20:35:26  <juliangruber>that should be faster than any regexp foo
20:35:46  <ogd>hah yea
20:35:58  <ogd>but you cant ensure formatting e.g. whitespace
20:36:12  <ogd>i really think the jsonparse module is the right answer here
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20:46:27  <andreypopp>terinjokes: yt?
20:46:43  <andreypopp>terinjokes: https://github.com/andreypopp/xcss/tree/lang <-- we discussed it and it's almost here!
20:47:09  <andreypopp>few things still require attentions, like test suite, module dedup and few more sugar probably...
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20:48:51  <terinjokes>andreypopp: i am
20:49:05  <andreypopp>terinjokes: see examples folder
20:49:52  <terinjokes>seems ES6-y :P
20:50:20  <andreypopp>I can change @import ... as .. to @require ... as ... )
20:50:44  <terinjokes>@import probably makes more sense to CSS writers though
20:50:57  <andreypopp>it's actually a good thing to do cause '@import ... as ...' requires module but @import just includes another stylesheet
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20:52:09  <terinjokes>right, i'm not saying to get rid of '… as …'
20:52:24  <terinjokes>because otherwise it's just importing a stylesheet
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23:37:22  <Raynos>Just learned about `git add -p <file>` and `git reset -p <file>`
23:37:24  <Raynos>mind blown
23:41:24  <thealphanerd>Raynos: what does -p do?
23:42:31  <thealphanerd>ohhh interactively choose hunks
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23:54:27  <Raynos>yes !
23:54:28  <Raynos>it's awesome
23:54:43  <Raynos>thealphanerd: I just made two seperate commits for two seperate edits to the same function !
23:55:19  <thealphanerd>that's pretty darn cool… I definitely have gone about doing commits for specific files… but digging in to specific changes is definitely useful
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23:55:52  <thealphanerd>although my favorite is this git alias I made recently… as I started developing in xcode for iOS stuff for a class
23:55:59  <thealphanerd>got sick of all the xcode meta data poluting my commits
23:56:00  <thealphanerd> xcode = !git add *.xcodeproj && git commit *.xcodeproj -m 'Fuck you xcode'
23:56:25  <Raynos>both vim & st have editors with a "git add this hunk" option :)
23:56:35  <Raynos>so I can stage hunks from within my editor
23:57:31  <thealphanerd>I need to live in vim more… spend too much time in textmate
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