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| <Raynos> | ogd: do you have an easy way to `git clone && make deploy` ? |
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| <Raynos> | ogd: I want to implement `git clone git@github.com/Raynos/npm-mirror && npm i && npm run deploy` |
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| <Raynos> | so that anyone can deploy an npm mirror trivially |
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| <ogd> | Raynos: you mean implement the git clone part without shelling out to git? |
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| <Raynos> | ogd: No I mean a zero pain in ass deployment of node app strategy |
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| <Raynos> | how do I implement npm run deploy |
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| <ogd> | Raynos: what is that supposed to do? |
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| <Raynos> | deploy the code somewhere :D and run it |
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| <Raynos> | EC2 or joyent or something |
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| <Raynos> | maybe even heroku |
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| <mmalecki> | Raynos: I have that! |
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| <mmalecki> | Raynos: mmalecki/santa |
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| <mmalecki> | *really* straightforward |
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| <mmalecki> | mostly npm-based |
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| <mmalecki> | like, packaging logic is fstream-npm |
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| <ogd> | i was just gonna link to https://npmjs.org/package/santa haha |
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| <ogd> | Raynos: i have been working on https://github.com/maxogden/taco but with the assumption that you are running on vanilla ubuntu because i hate PaaSes |
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| <Raynos> | mmalecki: and that uses pkgcloud so I can go joyent, ec2 or nodejitsu ? |
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| <mmalecki> | ogd: the idea of storing systems in npm is awesome |
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| <mmalecki> | Raynos: correct. Nodejitsu is not supported, only pure compute providers. EC2, Rackspace, Joyent, OpenStack, DigitalOcean |
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| <mmalecki> | ogd: wow, taco is nice |
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| <mmalecki> | ogd: I like the git deployment. is it based on dokku? |
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| <ogd> | mmalecki: nope dokku was too brittle for me |
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| <mmalecki> | yeah, debugging failures is a pain |
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| <ogd> | mmalecki: also i havent added docker to taco yet |
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| <ogd> | mmalecki: it wont be hard, but i dont actually need containers for my use case right now |
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| <ogd> | mmalecki: dokku brags about being written in really clever bash but i have found that to be super annoying |
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| <ogd> | mmalecki: also it doesnt come with any process monitoring by default, whereas taco uses mon/mongroup |
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| <ogd> | mmalecki: also im hoping to get rid of the nginx dependency, which will happen when trevnorris makes node faster than nginx for proxying :) |
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| <Raynos> | mmalecki: https://github.com/mmalecki/santa/pull/3 :D |
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| <trevnorris> | ogd: working on that. but combine w/ feature creep and having a baby on the way has slowed things down. |
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| <ogd> | trevnorris: no rush! also congrats on trevnorris2.0! |
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| <trevnorris> | ogd: this is over loopback, but right now i'm able to parse out the host: header and prep the pipe at around 40k req/sec |
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| <trevnorris> | ogd: once I have the simple js impl. done then going to add a native module layer that will take advantage of OS specifics |
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| <ogd> | trevnorris: nice |
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| <ogd> | trevnorris: in your test your requests have no body? |
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| <mmalecki> | Raynos: that's awesome |
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| <trevnorris> | ogd: well, i parse as the request comes in. so host: is always found before any body is processed. |
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| <ogd> | trevnorris: oh gotcha |
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| <ogd> | mmalecki: it'd be cool to make taco work with santa at some point, i'll put it on my todo list |
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| <trevnorris> | from there I can just point one fd at another and be done |
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| <mmalecki> | Raynos: merged. I won't be releasing tonight since I have heaps of work creeping up from the rest of the week, sorry |
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| <trevnorris> | ogd: right now input supports ip:port or /socket/path. should it also support routing data to a url? |
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| <mmalecki> | ogd: yeah! I've been thinking about making deployments more UNIX-y for a while now |
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| <ogd> | trevnorris: hmmmmm yea it probably should |
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| <trevnorris> | ok. i'll add that after initial impl. |
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| <ogd> | trevnorris: i dont need that but i can imagine many people would get annoyed having to do their own dns lookups |
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| <mmalecki> | Raynos: if you also need a service registry/LB part, chek https://github.com/vigour-io/bender and https://github.com/vigour-io/bender-haproxy |
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| <Raynos> | ? |
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| <Raynos> | I see |
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| <mmalecki> | Raynos: that's if you want to give santa some more magic dust (or are deploying distributed systems) |
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| <mmalecki> | it's actually not integrated with santa at all |
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| <mmalecki> | but yeah, it's a service registry which you can hook up various things to, like haproxy |
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| <kenperkins> | mmalecki did you steal my name for bender? :D |
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| <kenperkins> | https://github.com/kenperkins/bender |
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| <kenperkins> | lol |
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| <jesusabdullah> | kenperkins: haha very nice |
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| <mmalecki> | kenperkins: haha! no shit, isn't this doing similar stuff also? |
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| <kenperkins> | well, it manages and bootstraps servers into an app |
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| <kenperkins> | so yea? |
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| <marcello3d> | https://medium.com/cool-code-pal/ee3221e30f6c |
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| <rvagg> | groundwater: meh, not much of a house to bring down, I use it regularly to test stuff but I'm cool with breakage |
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| <groundwater> | rvagg so, i'm not sure I solved that problem for parallel tests, because one of teh changes i made was to run the tests synchronously |
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| <rvagg> | oh |
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| <pkrumins> | wrote a new blog post about how we fixed a nasty uncaught exception bug yesterday: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/nasty-firefox-exception-bug/ |
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| <jory> | pkrumins: Very practical. |
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| <rowbit> | substack, pkrumins: testling server safari6 (osx, browserling1 user) is down! |
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| <pkrumins> | fixed |
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| <substack> | Raynos: https://github.com/substack/attractor#live-updating |
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| <dominictarr> | IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW https://twitter.com/CatFoodBreath/status/423273062289506304 |
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| <jesusabdullah> | nice |
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| <grncdr> | substack: https://github.com/substack/attr-bind/pull/1 |
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| <eugeneware> | substack: just got the live example to work. nice work. |
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| <substack> | grncdr: https://github.com/substack/attr-bind/blob/master/index.js#L6 |
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| <substack> | it already does a lookup based on the attrname you give it |
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| <substack> | I think things would make more sense if attractor gave an object instead of a string |
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| <substack> | ok merging your pull request after all |
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| <substack> | but I'm going to update attractor too |
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| <grncdr> | substack: ah, it might just be a doc issue |
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| <grncdr> | I haven't really started digging in to these new modules in earnest |
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| <grncdr> | man, what am I talking about |
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| <grncdr> | just re-read the docs for attr-bind and they're totally accurate, sorry for the noise |
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| <substack> | I don't really like how it works now though |
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| <substack> | completely open to changing the method signatures while it's still early |
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| <grncdr> | well, bind(elem, group) seems like a more open approach to me |
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| <grncdr> | but I don't have a use case for getting the group name from anywhere outside the element yet |
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| <grncdr> | so I wouldn't argue very hard for that change |
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| <substack> | well it's hard because to make them pluggable with attractor they need a generalized interface |
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| <substack> | some attractor modules will need the key name and others will only need the value |
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| <substack> | you can always get the value by doing elem.getAttribute(keyName) but that makes the modules somewhat awkward when used outside of attractor |
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| <grncdr> | I'm just poking through the attractor source to understand how the two pieces fit.. |
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| <grncdr> | jhizzle: do you have any licorice? |
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| <jhizzle> | nah? |
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| <grncdr> | with which you might stir a mixed drink? |
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| <grncdr> | (you should swizzle with twizzlers) |
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| <grncdr> | ok, so I think I see what's going on in attractor now |
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| <grncdr> | https://github.com/substack/attractor/blob/master/index.js#L41 <- this is the interface that it requires from callbacks you pass to it |
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| <jesusabdullah> | substack: Don't you have a thing for hand-rolling muxers a la screen? |
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| <kumavis_> | dominictarr: does npmd include module source or just metadata? |
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| <substack> | jesusabdullah: shux |
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| <substack> | grncdr: I think having the element as the first param is quite useful but am not attached to the rest of it |
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| <grncdr> | yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with it the way it is for now |
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| <grncdr> | also, I should've read further into the readme where you explain the interface (less a couple of params) |
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| <grncdr> | I think this is a miswording though: "You should only rely on `this` if your module actually needs access to the attribute instance." |
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| <grncdr> | should be "attractor instance" |
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| <substack> | ok |
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| <jesusabdullah> | substack: yeah, that's right. Thanks |
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| <grncdr> | also, depending on how open you are to this/how early it really is, I don't like `attr` as a short hand |
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| <jesusabdullah> | substack: It's looking like I'm gonna write a weechat-as-a-service thing |
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| <jesusabdullah> | substack: starting with bnc but gonna add web ui and ssh access, will need fancy schmancy custom detach/reattach |
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| <grncdr> | jesusabdullah: that sounds cool... |
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| <grncdr> | substack: sorry if I'm coming across as negative, I think attractor is really cool! also, if you're in Oakland we should coffeehack tomorrow |
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| <substack> | yep I'll be around tomorrow |
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| <substack> | want to brainstorm this stuff some more |
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| <jesusabdullah> | grncdr: Yeah, I kinda want it cause like this vps is way overkill just for irc |
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| <jesusabdullah> | grncdr: and the way I figure, if I can get enough people to use it... |
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| <grncdr> | jesusabdullah: honestly, I've been considering setting up something like subway |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I can't handle an 80% done irc interface |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I won't have it |
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| <grncdr> | hm, good point |
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| <grncdr> | I should give weechat a try again |
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| <jesusabdullah> | For the web ui it's just gonna be a hack on top of terminator |
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| <grncdr> | hm, if you can hack a web-version of notify-send that uses the html5 notification API I will be all over that |
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| <grncdr> | that's my biggest complaint with IRC in terminals |
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| <substack> | grncdr: I'm thinking perhaps an array of values would work better |
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| <substack> | for the method sig |
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| <jesusabdullah> | grncdr: yeah that would be neat |
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| <substack> | function (elem, values) {} |
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| <substack> | or rather |
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| <jesusabdullah> | grncdr: weechat is ridiculously extensible as it turns out |
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| <substack> | function (elem, a, b, ...) {} |
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| <substack> | for each element in the search key, in order |
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| <substack> | yes I like that loads better and I can do all the same things as before |
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| <grncdr> | function (elem, val0, …) or function (elem, attrName0, …) ? |
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| <dominictarr> | kumavis, npmd only has the modules that you have in your cache. |
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| <grncdr> | substack: ^ I think you still want to pass attribute names an not values, but I'm not sure |
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| <kumavis_> | dominictarr: ok, but it does have full copies of those modules |
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| <grncdr> | kumavis: yes |
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| <grncdr> | if they are in your cache |
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| <grncdr> | the same as npm does |
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| <dominictarr> | kumavis, yes |
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| <kumavis_> | ah ok, readme was a little unclear |
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| <grncdr> | dominictarr: does it still share the cache with npm, or does it have it's own now? |
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| <kumavis_> | i filed an issue about the readme being unclear |
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| <substack> | grncdr: I think I don't need attribute names at all, only values |
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| <substack> | that makes exernal modules much more sensible if you don't already know how attractor works |
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| <substack> | one of the big things about attractor is that you pick which atributes map to which modules, not the modules themselves |
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| <substack> | just like how require() works where you decide what variables to give each module |
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| <grncdr> | yeah! |
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| <chrisdickinson> | substack: i've been working on backporting a few of the ideas from UA's JS to (modern streams-based) packages: http://npm.im/dom-event-stream |
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| <grncdr> | chrisdickinson: that looks cool |
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| <dominictarr> | substack, crazy idea |
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| <dominictarr> | this bitcoin spinoff http://ethereum.org/ethereum.html |
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| <dominictarr> | has a thing where you write arbitary contracts |
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| <dominictarr> | but it's not scalable, because they must run on every computer |
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| <dominictarr> | also, a lot of the resources must be devoted to "mining" etc |
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| <dominictarr> | but, what if you combined the arbitrary "contracts" idea |
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| <dominictarr> | with this: https://github.com/cryptosphere/cryptosphere/wiki/Philosophy |
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| <dominictarr> | where nodes write each other IOUs for bandwidth, storage, and cpu |
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| <dominictarr> | so, you could have nodes store something for you |
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| <dominictarr> | and then get other nodes to check it. |
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| <dominictarr> | you'd have to give out IOUs to nodes who run contracts for you - both storage and checking |
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| <dominictarr> | but then you can trade IOUs, discounted by the transitive trust you have for the IOU issuer. |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: that could possibly act as a store of wealth once it reached scale |
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| <substack> | a store of wealth that would be backed by the price of computing and storage |
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| <substack> | so inherently inflationary, but still distributed |
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| <substack> | there is probably room for both fundamentally deflationary and fundamentally inflationary currencies |
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| <substack> | stores of wealth vs loan and commodity currency |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: attr-bind now supports observable style functions natively in place of elements https://github.com/substack/attr-bind#example |
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| <substack> | https://github.com/substack/attr-bind/blob/master/example/browser.js |
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| <substack> | Raynos: ^^^ |
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| <dominictarr> | substack, yes - also, it becomes more useful if you trade it |
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| <substack> | if machines are engaged in transactions automatically that can be really good for liquidity which will help to normalize and stabilize prices |
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| <substack> | like algorithmic trading |
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| <substack> | except when they go into crazy feedback loops, but that will happen less over time |
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| <dominictarr> | substack, yeah, and also, it's backed directly by a real commodity. you could probably expand it to other stuff too, but storage and bandwidth are the easiest to transfer |
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| <Raynos> | Substack: :) |
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| <Raynos> | Substack: I tend to do the inverse. Write the example I really want to write, then write all the modules. Instead of writing each small module and a set of more boilerplatey then I want examples. |
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| <ogd> | isaacs: i often send PRs that are missing package.json dependencies because i have the module checked out locally in a separate repo and forgot to add it. does this happen to you? |
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| <ogd> | isaacs: ive been testing by moving the project to a dead tree, e.g. somewhere that my git modules won't get resolved, but this is cumbersome and i sometimes forget |
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| <isaacs> | ogd: you can run `npm init` i think to work around this |
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| <isaacs> | but that also does other random stuff. |
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| <isaacs> | ogd: or `npm ls` before sending the pull req |
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| <isaacs> | ogd: oh, your'e saying, they're not in ./node_modules, AND not in package.json, but require('foo') works because you're in a node_modules folder developing? |
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| <isaacs> | ogd: yeah, that suck. |
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| <isaacs> | ogd: no good answer there. |
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| <Raynos> | ogd: the only answer would be a jshint plugin or something that lints require calls and package.json |
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| <marcello3d> | anyone know of any client-side js side-by-side diff rendering libraries? |
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| <marcello3d> | ideally with syntax highlighting, e.g. something I can plug into codemirror |
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| <marcello3d> | hah. I'm blind. just saw this http://codemirror.net/demo/merge.html |
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| <DTrejo> | isaacs: congrats on new adventures! |
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| <DTrejo> | marcello3d: can you hook it up to a github pull request? |
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| <marcello3d> | DTrejo: what do you mean? |
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| <DTrejo> | eh, I was just hoping it would let me look at pull request diffs side-by-side. Seems not |
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| <marcello3d> | DTrejo: maybe you could use this + github api to do that... |
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| <DTrejo> | yea, too bad github won't implement it for us |
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| <marcello3d> | yeaaa |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: Okay, a LinkedIn for my parakeet would be pretty lulz |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: Job Title: "Growth Hacker" |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Skills: "shitting-on-your-laptop driven development" |
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| <DTrejo> | jesusabdullah: dominictarr: i started on an example to show you what I meant about correct use of observable not needing a virtual DOM, but I was drinking and didnt finish it |
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| <jesusabdullah> | lol good job |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: Crap, linkedin's ToS says you have to be an Actual Real Person |
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| <AvianFlu> | jesusabdullah: clearly, no one on earth has ever disobeyed a ToS before, and you should stop immediately |
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| <grncdr> | gah, naming things is hard |
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| <jesusabdullah> | >:3 |
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| <grncdr> | what would you call a thing that gives you atomic commits of a mutable object graph? |
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| <grncdr> | I'm forking this: npm.im/morimodel |
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| <jesusabdullah> | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
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| <grncdr> | I was all like: "checkpoint" nope, "commit" nope, "rewind" nope |
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| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah, better signup via tor then |
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| <dominictarr> | jesusabdullah, maybe your parakeet can have a corporation, then it will legally be a person |
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| <grncdr> | that seems like a viable path |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dominictarr: http://consulting.jesusabdullah.net AS YOU CAN SEE BIRD IS A PARTNER IN THIS VENTURE |
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| <jesusabdullah> | Consulting's a misnomer, that's more freelancing |
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| <jesusabdullah> | but the Official Business Title says "consulting" |
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| <dominictarr> | Raynos, I think I got it going again - can you confirm? |
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| <Raynos> | dominictarr: yeah I saw the badge working, let me check again |
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| <Raynos> | dominictarr: https://github.com/dominictarr/feedopensource/issues/20 I see a green bar with none of the 4 titles marker |
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| <Raynos> | should that be "created" black / bold ? |
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| <grncdr> | anybody know of a good doc that explains CommonJS requires in like 2 paragraphs maximum? |
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| <isaacs> | DTrejo: thanks! |
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| <DTrejo> | :) |
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| <DTrejo> | Hey if consulting via the node firm isn't getting you enough money, let me know! |
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| <DTrejo> | isaacs i'll send you some stuff ;) |
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| <isaacs> | DTrejo: hahah |
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| <isaacs> | DTrejo: i haven't done any actual consulting type work with TNF since middle of last year |
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| <isaacs> | DTrejo: but i am going to be collecting a salary from npm, Inc. |
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| <DTrejo> | Does TNF do a lot of business? |
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| <DTrejo> | If I can ask |
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| <DTrejo> | and you can say |
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| <DTrejo> | lo |
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| <DTrejo> | l |
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| <isaacs> | DTrejo: they do keep pretty busy, yeah |
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| <DTrejo> | big salary? ;) |
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| <thlorenz> | so substack exorcist is done: https://github.com/thlorenz/exorcist |
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| <thlorenz> | lmk if we should add a section to the readme regarding external source maps or rather in the wike |
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| <thlorenz> | *wiki |
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| <substack> | thlorenz: sure a section on the readme would be great |
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| <thlorenz> | substack: cool, will do PR tomorrow, although I'm not sure where in that fairly large readme to put it (and if ppl will find it) |
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| <thlorenz> | substack: should I doctoc the readme maybe so you get something like this table of contents? https://github.com/thlorenz/replpad#features |
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| <thlorenz> | would make it easier to find all the things explained in it |
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