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00:46:48  <wolfeidau>josephg: yeah there supposedly the transcript of that session is a good as well
00:47:18  <wolfeidau>Even if it is a fail word doc
00:47:44  <josephg>heh, thats ok - my mac can render it poorly
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06:19:05  <jjjohnny_>i only get warnings but no install
06:19:56  <jjjohnny_>BECAUSE YOU'RE A FOOL IS WHY
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19:36:53  <mpierce>What's good folks
19:41:12  <owen1>mpierce: browserify + hyperglue
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19:58:47  <mpierce>owen1: cool
20:02:08  <owen1>mpierce: watch the video + slides - https://github.com/juliangruber/node-js-dublin-talk-oct-2013
20:02:27  <jesusabdullah>mpierce: I'm good, you? :v
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20:06:54  <mpierce>Checking it video now.
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20:08:44  <mpierce>Yea, good here. Max told me to check this channel out. Met him last week at NB.
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20:23:05  <owen1>juliangruber: i noticed substack have pricingwidget that is simiar to your idea of ui-component. his component is using css and html inside js objects. your version seems more practical though.
20:24:05  <substack>that was from before brfs
20:24:12  <substack>I would just use brfs for those parts now
20:24:19  <owen1>i am curious if there are real website that uses your approach. also, correct me if i am wrong but this modular approach is mainly for server side.
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20:24:28  <substack>that lib was partly what motivated how browserify transforms work
20:24:29  <owen1>substack: oh. now it make sense.
20:25:13  <owen1>substack: also, regarding using stuff like hyperglue, how do u deal with some logic (like for loops/if statements in jade)?
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20:25:46  <substack>owen1: you don't
20:26:02  <substack>I haven't found them necessary
20:26:19  <jesusabdullah>owen1: javascript
20:26:24  <substack>if you can describe something where you would use template logic I can try to describe how I would do it without those things
20:26:31  <substack>one thing that helps is nested streams
20:26:36  <substack>at least with hyperspace
20:26:42  <jesusabdullah>tbh nested streams sounds terrible
20:26:49  <owen1>aahah
20:26:49  <substack>no it's really nice
20:27:01  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: you will accept streams into your heart
20:27:29  <substack>owen1: like this https://github.com/substack/testling-server/blob/master/render/job.js#L20
20:27:30  <jesusabdullah>no I refuse they are annoyingly complex
20:27:43  <jesusabdullah>90% of the time they are overkill
20:28:08  <shama>nested streams sounds incredibly awesome for building modular html things you can pipe to though
20:28:25  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: yea they could be simpler themselves, but whats a better abstraction for pushing data around?
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20:28:29  <jesusabdullah>it *sounds* like a lot of room for something to barf?
20:28:48  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: how about a method with a callback?
20:28:52  <substack>jesusabdullah: heylookit https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/streams-api/raw-file/tip/Overview.htm
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20:29:34  <jesusabdullah>I don't *hate* streams I'm just "over" streams
20:29:41  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: yea those things are used in conjunction with streams
20:29:45  <jcrugzz>ah your too cool ;)
20:30:05  <substack>streams hipster
20:30:09  <jesusabdullah>honestly, I like Tim's streams api
20:30:22  <jesusabdullah>stupidest thing that could possibly work
20:30:23  <substack>I don't really care what the streams api is
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20:30:34  <substack>I just want the consumer layer to just be a.pipe(b).pipe(c)
20:30:39  <substack>that is the part that matters
20:30:47  <substack>the implementation details don't matter very much
20:30:55  <jesusabdullah>I do, because the more complex it is the shittier it is to implement a.pipe and the shittier it is to debug when it explodes
20:31:01  <substack>because you write them once in a module and publish it to npm then forget about it
20:31:06  <jcrugzz>we just have to embrace the anarchist dictator we call isaacs, and bow to his node decisions. and accept the current apis and just use them
20:31:16  <jesusabdullah>except not because we're talking about streams3
20:31:28  <jcrugzz>streams3 is like streams2 except not slower
20:31:31  <jesusabdullah>yeah fuck that I just won't write streams
20:31:35  <substack>anyways my number is about to be called
20:31:38  <substack>at the chinese consulate
20:31:40  <jesusabdullah>yeah I don't care streams2 ruined everything
20:31:50  <jcrugzz>not really
20:31:56  <jcrugzz>it was inconvenient
20:32:08  <jcrugzz>but has created more overall adoption
20:32:22  <jcrugzz>and it doesnt mean you cant write an old stream
20:32:23  <jesusabdullah>From what I've seen it sent people screaming in the other direction
20:32:33  <jcrugzz>people have gotten over it
20:32:36  <jcrugzz>people hate change
20:32:39  <jcrugzz>i hated it
20:32:40  <jesusabdullah>because, holy shit now there are two streams and the second one was shittily documented
20:32:55  <jcrugzz>but omg, theres better documentation now!
20:33:00  <jcrugzz>go check it out
20:33:03  <jesusabdullah>there's no getting over the fact that there are two fucking types of streams, soon to be 3.
20:33:16  <jcrugzz>you are getting hung up on numbers
20:33:19  <jesusabdullah>or the fact that streams2 has more moving parts than a jet engi9ne
20:33:42  <jcrugzz>i call FUD. you just want to complain about it ;). not productive!
20:33:47  <jcrugzz>just deal with it and move on
20:33:51  <jcrugzz>build cool shit
20:33:52  <jesusabdullah>I'm plenty productive because I ignore streams
20:33:54  <jcrugzz>use them or dont
20:33:59  <jcrugzz>whatevs
20:34:02  <jesusabdullah>waste. of. time.
20:34:02  <owen1>substack: wanted to ask you about connecting your laptop to a projector (since i have the same model + debian). do u have a magical xrandr command that works on every external monitor?
20:34:07  <jcrugzz>it just does make clean consuemr apis
20:34:15  <jcrugzz>as substack said
20:34:23  <jcrugzz>to each their own ;)
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20:42:55  <owen1>and good luck with the visa
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21:32:13  <owen1>groupn splitted their website into 20 small sites - https://engineering.groupon.com/2013/misc/i-tier-dismantling-the-monoliths/
21:32:23  <owen1>any opinions?
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21:43:18  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: substack: please comment on this when you get a chance: https://github.com/substack/node-browserify/issues/497#issuecomment-27441452
21:43:27  <thlorenz>lots of people are in pain b/c of this issue
21:43:36  <defunctzombie>what is the issue?
21:44:08  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: it's explained up top, but basically the dedupe feature breaks source maps in certain cases
21:44:20  <thlorenz>i.e. you get : module.exports = require(2)
21:44:25  <thlorenz>instead of the actual source
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21:45:52  <defunctzombie>I think we would want a test for it
21:46:13  <defunctzombie>also.. seems to couple browser-pack heavily to how browserify works.. but I think that is already the case
21:46:16  <defunctzombie>maybe
21:46:29  <defunctzombie>anyhow..if it fixes a real problem and doesn't break anything, I think that is a win
21:46:35  <defunctzombie>we do need tests tho
21:48:36  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: as I said in the issue I'm planning to write tests
21:48:42  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: yep
21:48:43  <thlorenz>just wanted to get some feedback though
21:48:55  <thlorenz>also if we can take the seenFiles thing out
21:49:12  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: that I don't know... as I am not immediately familiar with browser-pack
21:49:17  <thlorenz>since it doesn't seem to fix the problem, but first I need to understand what that was supposed to fix exactly
21:49:25  <defunctzombie>thlorenz: but I am always in favor of dead code removal
21:49:27  <defunctzombie>:)
21:49:38  <thlorenz>:) yeah, maybe substack will remember
21:49:39  <defunctzombie>but yes.. make sure nothing else breaks :)
21:49:57  <thlorenz>from what I can tell it's a botched attempt at fixing the issue that I fixed
21:50:12  <thlorenz>botched since it only works half the time b/c it depends on row order
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21:51:44  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 173.203.67.76(free3)
21:53:48  <dominictarr>substack: hey whats up?
21:53:54  <dominictarr>how was columbia?
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21:55:56  <jcrugzz>dominictarr: Medellin was a pretty cool place. I didnt get to check out the coast with [0] guillermo and substack though.
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21:59:30  <dominictarr>jcrugzz: cool, I really want to go to central america.
21:59:30  <dominictarr>hopefully next year.
22:00:42  <jcrugzz>dominictarr: yea i already want to go back haha. I gotta brush up on my spanish for next time
22:02:06  <substack>dominictarr: great!
22:02:17  <substack>just applied for my chinese visa
22:02:26  <substack>they said it will be ready for me to pick up tomorrow
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22:03:21  <thlorenz>substack: gotta go, but when you got a chance, please give your blessing here ;) so I can clean this up and add tests: https://github.com/substack/node-browserify/issues/497#issuecomment-27441452
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22:04:21  <substack>thlorenz: looks good!
22:04:44  <dominictarr>substack: check out this https://github.com/dominictarr/tiles
22:04:51  <dominictarr>pure js tiling window manager
22:04:52  <thlorenz>cool - gonna clean this up tomorrow then and add unit tests
22:04:56  <dominictarr>brb relocating
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22:06:25  <substack>dominictarr: also go to http://unix.substack.net/
22:06:36  <substack>then in the js console type unix.createTerminal() a few times
22:06:54  <substack>you can also unix.terminals[1].remove()
22:07:23  <defunctzombie>dominictarr: someone else was working on a window manager in nodejs
22:07:29  <defunctzombie>dominictarr: trying to think of the name
22:07:32  <substack>anyways tiles looks fucking rad
22:07:38  <defunctzombie>dominictarr: if that worked in OSx I would like it more :)
22:07:43  <substack>the unoffician anarchyos wm
22:07:47  <substack>*unofficial
22:07:54  <substack>since nothing about anarchyos could ever be official
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22:25:41  <substack>thlorenz: your markdown editor is really neat
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23:57:58  <owen1>https://github.com/thlorenz/browserify-markdown-editor
23:58:33  <owen1>and it's great that he taged each step so it's easy to follow the progress