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04:26:08  <dstokes>pkrumins: nice
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05:20:16  <feross>should i use `tap` or `tape`? go!
05:21:48  <feross>tape works in the browser, tap doesn't - is that the main difference?
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05:53:13  <michaelrhodes>feross: That’s the criteria I use.
05:53:22  <feross>michaelrhodes: cool thx :)
05:53:37  <feross>just published a module: https://github.com/feross/magnet-uri
05:54:13  <feross>^ my first published module that actually feels like it belongs on npm
05:55:42  <michaelrhodes>nice!
05:55:50  <michaelrhodes>webtorrent stuff?
06:01:31  <feross>yep!
06:01:52  <feross>i'm going to build this the npm way
06:02:09  <feross>probably 10-20 separate modules need to be written
06:02:13  <feross>i'm excited! :)
06:04:18  <michaelrhodes>yeah, that’s awesome. i’ve actually done some stuff to do with generating sha1 pieces that might be useful to the project. https://github.com/michaelrhodes/pieces/ and https://github.com/michaelrhodes/piece-length
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06:05:22  <michaelrhodes>for a different project, but i’ve used them to generate torrent files in the browser
06:07:03  <jcrugzz>feross: cool stuff!
06:12:19  <feross>michaelrhodes: neat, saw those earlier. they'll probably come in handy. generating torrents on the fly in the browser is on the todo list
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06:24:34  <michaelrhodes>cool cool
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17:14:41  <defunctzombie>isaacs: where in the npm code is the shit for "npm ls" I really wanna make the tree view depth 1 by default
17:15:27  <isaacs>defunctzombie: lib/list.js or lib/ls.js or something
17:15:33  <defunctzombie>thx
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17:42:28  <defunctzombie>isaacs: question... would you be open to "npm ls" by default only printing the top level?
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17:57:36  <jesusabdullah>uuugh we're using pivotal at $work
17:57:42  <jesusabdullah>I hate trackers
17:57:55  <jesusabdullah>especially when they're all "agile" and shit
17:57:57  <jesusabdullah>ಠ_ಠ
17:58:12  <Maciek416>the timeline for pivotal is "hey cool, we totally need this!" --> two months later --> "kill it, kill it with fire ahhh"
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17:58:52  <jesusabdullah>We're spending all this time trying to decide what "delivered" and "accepted" mean >_<
17:58:59  <Maciek416>yeah
17:58:59  <jesusabdullah>I don't caaare
17:59:03  <Maciek416>been there
17:59:16  <Maciek416>one day we had enough and just ditched it wholesale
17:59:17  <st_luke>agile is awesome if it's done the right way
17:59:20  <st_luke>but nobody really does it the right way
17:59:21  <Maciek416>and our project manager who brought it in
17:59:24  <Maciek416>we ditched him too
18:00:57  <jesusabdullah>fuck sprints AND stories
18:01:32  <st_luke>I'm completely fine with it
18:02:12  <defunctzombie>st_luke: what do you think about making "npm ls" only show top level deps by default?
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18:03:06  <defunctzombie>I have a patch that does that I use locally, really helps me before publish/deploy to see what I have linked or what might be invalid without all the noise of all the other modules
18:03:35  <st_luke>defunctzombie: probably can't change the default behavior
18:03:58  <defunctzombie>:(
18:04:03  <defunctzombie>why is that?
18:04:30  <st_luke>it would probably piss a lot of people off
18:04:37  <defunctzombie>I mean.. if something does actually show to be better (not saying this is the case for this, but in general) for a CLI app that seems unfortunate
18:04:58  <defunctzombie>man... not doing stuff cause it might piss people off is kinda sad :/
18:05:13  <st_luke>well the default behavior at this point is kind of expected
18:05:27  <defunctzombie>bah.. I mean.. it is a CLI app
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18:06:02  <st_luke>what about an option for it
18:06:16  <defunctzombie>st_luke: that is what I have right now, I made the --depth option better
18:06:17  <st_luke>like npm ls -h or something
18:06:27  <defunctzombie>the depth option is pretty stupid right now
18:06:43  <st_luke>yeah
18:06:44  <defunctzombie>I made --depth 0 output a bit less stupid
18:07:20  <defunctzombie>and set my npmrc to use depth = 0
18:07:35  <defunctzombie>I can actually see my deps now haha
18:07:54  <st_luke>maybe you could put all your code inline and use less modules
18:07:59  <st_luke></troll>
18:13:16  <defunctzombie>hahaha
18:13:27  <defunctzombie>haters be hatin
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18:29:54  <st_luke>the way to handle private registries while still using public npm is you can use whatever name you want on your private registry, but it's going to get namespaced automatically
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18:36:48  <st_luke>huh
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19:12:52  <st_luke>Domenic_: using your dict module at Y!
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19:25:45  <Domenic_>st_luke: haha awesome! :D
19:26:27  <substack>Y!!!!!!!!
19:26:42  <substack>is it a thing to put n-many !s?
19:26:46  <substack>1 seems too few
19:27:05  <substack>Y⸘
19:27:15  <st_luke>I could just call it Y
19:27:15  <st_luke>but Y not
19:27:20  <substack>anyways great work on registries
19:27:26  <Domenic_>I kind of assumed they shot you if you forgot the !
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19:31:26  <st_luke>Domenic_: hah!
19:31:56  <st_luke>I overheard a conversation between two people today that was like "You have to be a genius to get hired without a college degree."
19:32:04  <st_luke>I wanted to chime in and say "or just contribute to open source!"
19:32:55  <substack>or just be capable of building quality software
19:33:01  <substack>which university doesn't teach
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19:34:03  <st_luke>I'll never go as far as to claim that I'm capable of building quality software, but I'll admit that I'm capable of being capable of building it.
19:34:35  <substack>sounds about right
19:34:57  <AvianFlu_>apprenticeship doesn't get enough credit as a method of learning, nowadays
19:34:58  <substack>quality is just as much about the circumstances around which a project is made as it is about the contributors
19:35:06  <AvianFlu_>a lot of people are like DEGREE OR STFU
19:35:20  <AvianFlu_>but it's like, no, actually, you can learn just as much from BUILDING REAL SHIT, if not more
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19:36:06  <AvianFlu>it doesn't matter where you start - enough time working with skilled people at something, and you'll become skilled yourself
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19:40:15  <Maciek416>AvianFlu: as someone who recently went through the process of entering the US it's suddenly blindingly obvious how universities are indirect gatekeepers/mills of immigration flows
19:40:19  <Maciek416>so there's also that
19:40:24  <AvianFlu>that's very true
19:40:39  <AvianFlu>good university courses will teach you good things, don't get me wrong
19:40:55  <st_luke>not having a degree usually means I'm less qualified to chime in on a CS conversation people are having
19:41:00  <AvianFlu>but the importance placed on pieces of fancy paper is TOO DAMN HIGH
19:41:01  <Maciek416>I would love to see someone really pour through the data and try to figure out how much of Canada's university action is attributable to international people trying to eventually get into the US
19:41:04  <st_luke>which means I usually go back to my desk and get work done
19:41:13  <Maciek416>(for example)
19:41:15  <AvianFlu>st_luke: yeah, that's the only thing it ever seems to hurt me with, either XD
19:42:02  <mmalecki>you have a degree AvianFlu!
19:42:29  <AvianFlu>mmalecki: OH SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT I FORGOT
19:42:33  <mmalecki>did that help you to get a job?
19:42:38  <AvianFlu>kinda!
19:42:59  <AvianFlu>having a degree in acting and 7 years of restaurant experience is quite effective at convincing strangers I have people skills XD
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19:43:37  <Maciek416>AvianFlu: I have often noticed that a lot of the most motivated and awesome programmers I admire are degree-less or don't have a degree in science/tech
19:43:49  <st_luke>AvianFlu: next time I see you do a talk, I hope it is as theatric as your degree means it should be
19:44:06  <st_luke>I don't even care if I learn anything
19:44:08  <Maciek416>that said, they're somewhat stuck in the old country when it's time to get ambitious and succumb to brain drain
19:44:08  <st_luke>I WANT EXPERIENCE
19:44:09  <LOUDBOT>I THINK THAT WAS ON TWITTER A FEW BITS BACK
19:44:28  <AvianFlu>I SHALL ENDEAVOR NOT TO DISAPPOINT
19:44:29  <LOUDBOT>FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP DRINKING BENADRYL LOTION.
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20:32:07  <jesusabdullah>grouchyyyy
20:32:17  <jesusabdullah>I have two degrees!
20:32:20  <jesusabdullah>(two too many? ;) )
20:32:32  <jesusabdullah>!tweetlast
20:32:36  <jesusabdullah>LOUDBOT: tweetlast
20:32:37  <LOUDBOT>jesusabdullah: COMIN TRY TO SNATCH YOUR CROPS
20:32:39  <jesusabdullah>derf
20:34:45  <ednapiranha>wat
20:34:51  <jesusabdullah>idk dude
20:34:58  <jesusabdullah>I'm still pissy from the bank
20:35:00  <jesusabdullah>and the meeting
20:35:00  <ednapiranha>jesusabdullah: did this channel just get meatspaced
20:35:11  <jesusabdullah>idk :(
20:35:27  <ednapiranha>im writing etherpad docs
20:35:32  <jesusabdullah>I'm so overwhelmed with pissyness I can hardly think straight
20:35:33  <ednapiranha>partyyyy
20:38:20  <substack>jesusabdullah: completely rewrite in php?
20:38:38  <jesusabdullah>what am I rewriting in php? :(
20:39:08  <substack>just going through all the possible things that might induce unhappy thoughts
20:39:13  <substack>starting at the top of the list
20:39:29  <jesusabdullah>oh, no, I had to go to a meeting
20:39:39  <jesusabdullah>and we have to use one of those agile tracker things
20:39:58  <jesusabdullah>I hear "sprint" "story" and "velocity" and I start puking everywhere
20:40:04  <substack>pivotal, jira?
20:40:05  <substack>yeah same
20:40:37  <jesusabdullah>and then my Oakland CU had some issues, Amazon overdrafted them to pay my Prime fees
20:40:40  <jesusabdullah>cause I forgot to roll that over
20:40:46  <jesusabdullah>anyway that was a whole fucking thing
20:40:58  <substack>overdrafts bah
20:41:04  <jesusabdullah>yeeah
20:41:13  <jesusabdullah>by the time I found out they were really pissed off about it
20:41:14  <substack>I always figure out how to make overdrafts void the transaction, first thing
20:41:15  <jesusabdullah>-heh-
20:41:24  <jesusabdullah>yeah well I wire xferred today
20:41:28  <jesusabdullah>thx wells fargo
20:41:57  <jesusabdullah>got charged tons of fees and stuff :(
20:41:59  <jesusabdullah>anyhoo
20:42:26  <jesusabdullah>bbl
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21:01:02  <jesusabdullah>gdi my concentration for today is totally fucked
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21:12:07  <chrisdickinson>jesusabdullah: if it's any consolation, jira's not so bad so long as you automate all of the metawork
21:12:26  <chrisdickinson>then it's just "quantified self" via git branches / commits / your everyday routine
21:12:33  <jesusabdullah>chrisdickinson: it's pivotal
21:13:36  <chrisdickinson>hmm. pivotal's not the worst i've ever used, continuing the "if it's any consolation" theme
21:16:45  <rowbit>Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 68]
21:22:10  <jesusabdullah>I'm a paper/sticky-notes person
21:22:22  <jesusabdullah>a tracking methodology as unorganized as my mind
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21:30:23  <substack>http://www.reddit.com/r/node/comments/1p3evg/require_in_node/cd1m6mm
21:30:27  <substack></rant>
21:35:39  <dstokes>substack: +++
21:36:49  <dstokes>substack: now i have something to point all my misguided requirejs friends at
21:36:52  <dstokes>;)
21:37:56  <substack>I'll let it fester a while then cross-post it to my blog
21:38:13  <substack>the last few of my reddit comments have turned into blog articles
21:43:03  <jesusabdullah>I think you're missing something here
21:43:18  <jesusabdullah>and that's the dependency injection angle
21:43:28  <jesusabdullah>there's a rationale behind it, even if the end product kinda sucks
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