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05:18:20  <dominictarr_>best thing today https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXThCqqCEAEelMC.jpg:large
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05:29:58  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr_: I get that it's a tree and that it's urkel and those things are funny but there's a pun in there?
05:30:20  <dominictarr_>jesusabdullah: it sounds like Merkle Tree
05:30:27  <jesusabdullah>aha
05:30:28  <dominictarr_>which is real computer science
05:30:54  <jesusabdullah>yeah, my background in legit CS is honestly pretty weak
05:30:59  <jesusabdullah>something I want to get better at
05:31:04  <jesusabdullah>but I'm terrible at time management
05:32:04  <jesusabdullah>gnutella is neat, but I wish it spoke http instead of something that's pretty much http but just different enough that you can't just use http
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14:32:16  <substack>juliangruber: what was the name of your pattern {a,b,c} module?
14:32:30  <juliangruber>substack: http://npm.im/brace-expansion
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14:33:00  <substack>juliangruber: thanks!
14:33:24  <substack>I'm thinking in the new browser field syntax we could support globs and brace expansion
14:33:45  <juliangruber>substack: i didn't yet implement other extensions like `fo?` though
14:33:55  <juliangruber>or *
14:34:01  <juliangruber>for what use case?
14:34:13  <substack>https://github.com/substack/node-browserify/issues/501
14:34:22  <juliangruber>ah, maybe `"component-*": "$1"`
14:34:27  <substack>https://github.com/substack/node-browserify/issues/501#issuecomment-26638463
14:34:28  <juliangruber>nah
14:34:52  <juliangruber>aaah i see
14:35:10  <juliangruber>"*:fs": "level-fs-browser"
14:35:42  <substack>yep
14:35:47  <substack>or **:fs
14:37:25  <juliangruber>yeah
14:37:37  <juliangruber>substack: does watchify crash on bundling errors?
14:38:35  <substack>juliangruber: it's not supposed to
14:38:41  <substack>but sometimes on the first build it does
14:39:48  <juliangruber>ok
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15:08:13  <ednapiranha>dominictarr: someone made a gif -> tweet from the project
15:08:27  <ednapiranha>http://gifit.nodejitsu.com/
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15:27:32  <Kessler>https://github.com/YaroslavGaponov/node-jvm :)
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15:52:42  <jcrugzz>O.O
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16:01:29  <jjjohnny>If all the other languages start using NPM, NPM is gonna become bloated with unusable packages
16:01:42  <jjjohnny>can we advocate cloning NPM instead?
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16:02:08  <substack>too much work
16:02:11  <substack>just filter the results
16:02:16  <substack>or use an extension or prefix
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16:07:38  <jjjohnny>substack: search?
16:07:58  <jjjohnny>i search for a module that does something... in JAVASCRIPT
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16:10:01  <jjjohnny>all of sudden there wil by rubyscript hacks that do some DOM shit
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16:57:49  <defunctzombie>substack: I am more and more against these browser field things
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17:08:22  <ogd>work in progress https://github.com/maxogden/bytewiser moar challenges via pull request encouraged
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17:11:06  <ogd>brianloveswords: o/
17:11:13  <ogd>brianloveswords: are we doin a nodeschool thing at mozfest or wat?
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17:35:11  <ogd>rvagg: i had to get creative with workshopper for bytewiser so far, have some questions but am far too tired at the moment
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17:37:34  <mikolalysenko>ogd: looking at bytewiser makes me think that I should do an ndarray nodeschool module...
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17:40:25  <jcrugzz>mikolalysenko: truth
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17:50:49  <chrisdickinson>added CSS4 subject selector support to cssauron -- so with things like rewrite-js you can give it selectors that select a subject higher up on the AST based on child nodes matching
17:51:49  <chrisdickinson>(canonically, unamdifying can now be done as `:root > expr > !call > id[name=define] + !function` -- your rewrite function will be called with both the function expr found as well as the call statement higher up as arguments)
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18:06:40  <Domenic_>Has anyone written something that converts package.json to RequireJS config? /cc johnkpaul thlorenz
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18:08:47  <substack>jjjohnny: npm search something | showmejsonly
18:10:34  <substack>defunctzombie: how do you think people should solve the problem of wanting level-fs-browser to work for modules that use that require('fs') ?
18:10:45  <substack>because there are a lot of ways to provide the fs api
18:11:34  <defunctzombie>substack: imho, you either design a module that does not assume require('fs') and instead takes in a "writer"
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18:12:38  <defunctzombie>or you just replace "fs" at the browserify level
18:12:40  <defunctzombie>and keep it simple
18:12:52  <defunctzombie>cause all this just seems to be about the "fs" module and nothing else really
18:13:51  <substack>well you can already do that by doing -r level-fs-web:fs
18:13:56  <substack>*level-fs-browser
18:13:58  <defunctzombie>think about it from a cross platform standpoint maybe.. imagine having different "fs" for osx, windows, etc.. and how that is solved at the lowest levels versus maybe a level up or abstractions over that
18:14:30  <substack>probably I should just expose require mappings to the browserify field
18:14:38  <defunctzombie>personally, if you are doing level stuff with alternate "fs" then I see that as higher level abstractions
18:15:03  <defunctzombie>all of the "fs" may not even make sense in these settings
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18:18:07  <defunctzombie>substack: also may be interesting to consider is the idea of an "fs" core shim that just lets you configure the underlying layer
18:18:39  <defunctzombie>substack: this way, you could intercept all the fs call (which could be done already now)
18:18:49  <substack>true, that module could just require('fs') and then attach its own methods
18:18:52  <defunctzombie>just by doing require('fs') and monkey patching over the calls you want
18:19:01  <defunctzombie>before anyhting else runs
18:19:23  <substack>it would also be really good if node_modules/fs resolved before the core fs
18:19:52  <defunctzombie>I personally would like it if all the core modules were actually modules.. but that is a difficult conversation
18:20:02  <defunctzombie>but yes, I think local should win over core
18:20:03  <defunctzombie>imho
18:20:22  <dominictarr>ogd: what makes a good meetup writeup?
18:20:58  <substack>defunctzombie: we can probably fix that in node-resolve
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18:39:23  <juliangruber>substack: about to turn https://github.com/juliangruber/node-js-dublin-talk-oct-2013 into a full article on browserify app structure and best practices
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18:48:21  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: I think your point about production is not absolute
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18:48:33  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: can you clarify?
18:48:36  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: for example I use enchilada and in production serve the bundled code from memory
18:48:39  <defunctzombie>and not from disk
18:48:45  <defunctzombie>other will further serve behind a CDN
18:48:51  <defunctzombie>so that on disk on the server is useless
18:49:06  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: are you handling etags or sending max-age?
18:49:12  <defunctzombie>yes
18:49:14  <defunctzombie>both
18:49:20  <defunctzombie>enchilada does etag
18:49:23  <juliangruber>ok then it's something differend
18:49:26  <juliangruber>different
18:49:32  <defunctzombie>and then I fingerprint my resources
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18:49:35  <defunctzombie>with max age of a year
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18:49:57  <defunctzombie>https://courseoff.com/ <-- look at the urls for the assets
18:50:09  <defunctzombie>all of the js is served via browserify with no build steps or anything
18:50:21  <juliangruber>mh
18:50:28  <juliangruber>I prefer single bundles for most cases
18:50:37  <juliangruber>and just writing to disk seems simpler than that
18:50:49  <defunctzombie>I use multiple for cache reasons and serving from memory is faster than disk ;)
18:51:03  <defunctzombie>I agree, for non integrated stack users disk is easier to think about
18:51:14  <defunctzombie>but when your whole stack is node.. you don't have to add more steps
18:51:27  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: when performance matters you'd probably have something like varnish in front anyways, right?
18:51:31  <juliangruber>true!
18:51:43  <defunctzombie>I serve everything behind nginx
18:51:51  <defunctzombie>and if perf matters, yes you would use CDN or such
18:51:56  <juliangruber>haha I've only run apps before where either fs was fast enough for something in c like varnish was required
18:52:02  <defunctzombie>even more than varnish
18:52:17  <juliangruber>yes
18:53:06  <defunctzombie>I also don't use brfs (but do see why someone would)
18:53:32  <defunctzombie>I use this hack
18:53:33  <defunctzombie>https://github.com/defunctzombie/browserify-file/blob/master/index.js
18:53:43  <defunctzombie>to require a .html file directly (mostly for speed during dev)
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18:53:58  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: i like that hack
18:54:18  <juliangruber>brfs can be slow
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18:54:26  <juliangruber>if that also handles .css i'm sold :D
18:54:31  <defunctzombie>it is very slow
18:54:39  <defunctzombie>I never use css in js
18:54:44  <defunctzombie>it is wrong imho
18:54:52  <defunctzombie>I serve css files separately
18:55:02  <defunctzombie>and always in the head of the page
18:55:06  <juliangruber>it's perfect for lazy parsing styles in single page apps
18:55:16  <juliangruber>only add the css when a widget is visible
18:55:20  <juliangruber>good for e.g. old phones
18:55:39  <defunctzombie>sure
18:55:51  <defunctzombie>and the final thing is I don't use the builtin event emitter
18:55:58  <defunctzombie>I use emitter-component
18:56:03  <defunctzombie>again, mostly for versioning reasons
18:56:07  <defunctzombie>I like this writeup tho!
18:56:15  <defunctzombie>good braindump of a number of things
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18:59:29  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: sweet, thanks!
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20:34:36  <johnkpaul>Domenic_: no, but that's something I've wanted to do
20:34:46  <johnkpaul>I'd love to see one out there
20:35:08  <johnkpaul>well, something similar at least
20:35:23  <johnkpaul>I'd like to see something that can generate the requirejs shim from a prebuild browserify'd bundle
20:35:29  <johnkpaul>prebuilt*
20:36:08  <johnkpaul>so I can use browserify normally for shared library code and then package up and consume from requirejs easily
20:36:19  <johnkpaul>I'll have to write that one day at work anyway, just not quite there yet
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20:40:14  <johnkpaul>I first have to write require.noConflict() into requireify
20:40:35  <johnkpaul>damn it, I was working, now I'm all thinking about this stuff. I blame you @Domenic_
20:40:58  <jez0990>johnkpaul: ah, I'd been meaning to thank you for requireify! :)
20:41:20  <johnkpaul>jez0990: :D awesome, no problem, so glad that it helps you
20:44:57  <jez0990>stackvmfolk: apart from brianloveswords and ogd, is anyone else in London this weekend?
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21:48:59  <nexxy>can someone tell dominictarr that I have an rPi for him?
21:49:13  <nexxy>it's in alameda and I can give him the address of where to get it
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22:26:52  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 173.203.67.76 (free3)
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23:58:22  <rowbit>substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 173.203.67.76 (free3)
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23:59:19  <owen1>juliangruber: looking forward for your article + video (;