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02:11:50  <jesusabdullah>uuugh I have to remember how jade worrrks
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05:02:23  <mikolalysenko>is there any json visualizer that can draw trees
05:02:33  <mikolalysenko>or graphical pictures of json objects?
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13:07:43  <jez0990>niftylettuce: you should turn wakeup.io into a social thing where random people who have asked to be woken up at the same time end up having to chat to each other
13:07:56  <jez0990>would be an interesting way to start each day
13:09:32  <jez0990>that could be for the pro version
13:09:45  <djcoin>niftylettuce: oh I forgot but it worked, I received a phone call in France
13:09:50  <jez0990>hey why not turn it into a match-making site too
13:10:37  <djcoin>What do you use to send/call ?
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14:45:08  <substack>whew
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15:42:09  <mikolalysenko>Man. I so wish that github had some way to typeset mathematical notation... https://github.com/CS558/cs558-kdtrees
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15:44:48  <tmcw>there was that latex web renderer that just used a url segment...
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15:45:28  <tmcw>ah yeah http://tex.sh/
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15:45:41  <mikolalysenko>tmcw: hmm
15:46:03  <mikolalysenko>one thing I tried was doing my own tex rendering and storing the result in a dataurl
15:46:13  <mikolalysenko>https://github.com/mikolalysenko/texdown
15:46:24  <mikolalysenko>but it doesn't work because github's markdown parser hates dataurls...
15:46:59  <tmcw>yeah, and a more dynamic solution like that mathml renderer is such a kludge
15:47:45  <mikolalysenko>dynamic rendering is probably not the right answer
15:48:25  <mikolalysenko>the best solution I think is to just have an extra pass in the markdown parser itself that pulls out latex strings and generates some mathml/inline dataurl and puts it in the document
15:48:47  <mikolalysenko>this is one of those issues that has bothered me in github for a long time
15:49:02  <mikolalysenko>also the support for latex is the only reason that I keep my blog on wordpress
15:49:35  <mikolalysenko>if github flavored markdown did tex, I'd move all my articles there and not look back
15:50:38  <tmcw>how does wordpress do it? shells out?
15:51:14  <mikolalysenko>I think so
15:51:37  <mikolalysenko>you could theoretically do this though: http://manuels.github.io/texlive.js/website/
15:51:49  <mikolalysenko>which is probably more secure, but also totally crazy
15:52:18  <mikolalysenko>as a dynamic solution texlive is pretty terrible, but if you ran it in node it might be ok as a preprocessing step for parsing markdown
15:52:42  <mikolalysenko>I think though that is a better solution: http://hutchinson.belmont.ma.us/tth/mml/
15:52:56  <mikolalysenko>the default mode is to run that thing dynamically, but I bet you can get it to run in node
15:54:38  <mikolalysenko>also there is this: http://www.mathjax.org/about/latex-and-mathml/
15:56:15  <tmcw>ugh, yeah mathjax was what I was referring to
15:56:28  <tmcw>used it on my blog briefly and it was so slow and yucky
15:56:42  <tmcw>would never want a reader to see a progress bar compiling a blog post
15:57:07  <mikolalysenko>would be great if there was a way to get mathjax to run serverside
15:57:18  <mikolalysenko>I mean you already have to do some work to translate markdown -> html
15:58:36  <mikolalysenko>though tex -> mathml translation is really complicated
15:58:49  <mikolalysenko>the simplest solution right now is probably to just shell out to latex somehow
15:59:11  <mikolalysenko>but you do run into crappy problems like images being too low resolution, or styled improperly etc.
15:59:30  <mikolalysenko>the output from mathjax does look nicer at the end of the day since it renders to some combination of mathml and custom css attributes
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16:00:00  <mikolalysenko>there has to be some way to rig up mathjax so you can just store the output from it and use it on the server side
16:00:25  <mikolalysenko>that way you don't have any of the crap that comes along with rendering latex on the client
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16:44:01  <spion>mikolalysenko, your best bet is probably the SVG based renderer.
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16:45:56  <jesusabdullah>http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/26190-vchoosek totally SO fast
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17:51:44  <spion>mikolalysenko, how about svg? https://gist.github.com/spion/6814044
17:52:37  <spion>./tex2svg '<formula>' > out.svg
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18:26:52  <niftylettuce>https://wakeup.io/ finished it
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18:32:31  <Raynos>Apparently there is a webrtc binding ( https://github.com/Rantanen/node-peerconnection#example )
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18:36:15  <djcoin>niftylettuce: How do you manage to call any cellphone ? Any libs, tools ?
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18:39:39  <niftylettuce>djcoin: twilio/node/express/momentjs/jstz etc
18:40:36  <djcoin>Ho twilio
18:40:38  <djcoin>Alright
18:40:52  <djcoin>niftylettuce: does it cost you anything ?
18:41:03  <niftylettuce>djcoin: yeah but i have a bunch of credit already so it doesnt cost me anything right now
18:41:10  <niftylettuce>djcoin: maybe 10,000 calls/texts from now ill have to start paying for it
18:41:34  <djcoin>Alright, thanks !
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20:43:00  <jesusabdullah>ednapiranha: how do you feel about MUMPS/cache ?
20:43:36  <ednapiranha>jesusabdullah: never used it
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20:43:59  <jesusabdullah>ednapiranha: it's supposed to be pretty crummy, it's nosql from before they invented relational stuff
20:44:11  <ednapiranha>jesusabdullah: sounds like a grand thing to try out now!
20:44:17  <jesusabdullah>ednapiranha: when every bit was precious so everything was written with single characters
20:44:21  <ednapiranha>on our new and exciting technologies
20:44:22  <jesusabdullah>ednapiranha: it's huge in health care
20:44:50  <jesusabdullah>ednapiranha: It's like the one db that's almost universally hated from what I've seen. I'll be honest though, I've not used it neither
20:45:20  <ednapiranha>jesusabdullah: terrible name too
20:45:26  <ednapiranha>at least i don't have the mumps
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20:52:36  <mikolalysenko>jesusabdullah: I have several friends who write cache all day
20:52:53  <mikolalysenko>horribly enough it is still widely used in health care/finance
20:53:12  <mikolalysenko>though mumps is a pretty apt description for that language
20:53:28  <mikolalysenko>all the control flow stuff is single character and you use gotos all over the place
20:53:39  <mikolalysenko>like the character "i" is an if statement
20:56:07  <mikolalysenko>a lot of good paying jobs though in the cache/mumps world. that sort of environment tends to engender a comfortable level of job security
20:57:40  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: yeah
20:57:49  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: I interviewd with Epic years and years ago
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21:02:45  <mikolalysenko>jesusabdullah: yeah. I know of one guy though who happens to really like it...
21:03:33  <mikolalysenko>I've not worked with it first hand so I can't comment on how bad it really is, but there are plenty of details that on the surface at least make me think "wtf"
21:03:48  <jesusabdullah>I first read about it in The Daily WTF
21:04:52  <mikolalysenko>though it is funny that the whole nosql is making a comeback, when the historical roots of those systems are things like mumps
21:06:00  <jesusabdullah>yeah totes
21:06:17  <jesusabdullah>intersystems oss'd some core tech behind cache iirc
21:06:25  <jesusabdullah>with node drivers
21:06:36  <jesusabdullah>it was cool that they did that, but man nobody could make that leap
21:07:39  <mikolalysenko>actually I think that epic has an internal push to move more of their stuff over to javascript/web based tools
21:07:56  <jesusabdullah>possibly
21:08:27  <jesusabdullah>I interviewed in, oh, 2009 or so
21:08:34  <jesusabdullah>before I had any real interest in software
21:08:47  <jesusabdullah>they had a posting with a funny description on my school's jobs site
21:08:52  <jesusabdullah>submitted on a lark
21:09:00  <jesusabdullah>they ended up flying me to Madison, showing me around, etc
21:09:05  <jesusabdullah>gig was for doing in-house support
21:09:17  <jesusabdullah>they were "very impressed" but I had a masters to obtain
21:09:32  <jesusabdullah>then I heard they chew through new recruits like a meat grinder
21:09:45  <jesusabdullah>and I was like, "oh well I guess that worked out then"
21:10:10  <jesusabdullah>BUT that's when I was like, "shit I can't get an engineering internship but I can get job offers in tech? Oh okay"
21:13:39  <mikolalysenko>I think that internally the cache environment is pretty ugly to work with. they also have some horrible source control system dating back to the 1960s, which makes things difficult to work with
21:14:14  <mikolalysenko>but rewriting all that stuff and verifying it is just not cost effective, so they stick with it
21:14:38  <mikolalysenko>and the code has basically decades of accumulated wisdom regarding legal and medical consequences of certain medications and billing practices...
21:14:55  <mikolalysenko>so it just gets bigger and bigger as they pile more stuff on top of it
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21:27:13  <mbalho>ELLIOTTCABLE: <- maxogden
21:27:29  <mbalho>ELLIOTTCABLE: i just don this pseudonym in irc-land
21:27:35  <ELLIOTTCABLE>mbalho: ohhhhh, somehow I never noticed that.
21:27:58  <mbalho>:D
21:28:26  <ELLIOTTCABLE>mbalho: /invite'd, #ELLIOTTCABLE
21:28:39  <ELLIOTTCABLE>substack: also, watched some of your talk (the one @NPM retweeted). Love it.
21:28:45  <ELLIOTTCABLE>substack: you're a fun speaker.
21:28:46  <mbalho>nice
21:34:47  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: when I was there their stack was still in vb6 and the discontinuation of vb6 support was looming and/opr passed
21:34:55  <jesusabdullah>and/or*
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21:54:39  <mikolalysenko>jesusabdullah: yeah, it seems not fun. but it is important work, and they pay well especially for their more senior programmers
21:55:03  <mikolalysenko>also just posted more notes on the computational geometry course: https://github.com/CS558/cs558-range-trees#cs558-range-trees
21:55:08  <mikolalysenko>range trees!
21:55:21  <mikolalysenko>and kdtrees: https://github.com/CS558/cs558-kdtrees
21:58:03  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: funniest thing was, they told everyone explicitly to not dress up in interview clothes but everyone did anyway cause it was just That Weird for them
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21:58:18  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: I did juuust enough to get my mom to chill out, was still overdressed
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22:29:47  <jcrugzz>mbalho: those stickers are leet
22:30:12  <jcrugzz>i may have to print some since i wont be in SF anytime soon
22:30:18  <mbalho>w0rd
22:30:21  <mbalho>jcrugzz: where are you based?
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22:31:05  <jcrugzz>mbalho: NYC
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22:31:39  <jcrugzz>mbalho: brooklyn specifically but same area
22:31:47  <mbalho>ah yea i bet theres lotsa people in nyc that would like one. lots of big data crap there
22:33:38  <jcrugzz>mbalho: yea exactly. ill get some printed and try and spread the love at meetups.
22:33:46  <jcrugzz>props to jlord on logo
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22:47:50  <mbalho>jlord: found independent of @floridaman http://io9.com/5985886/florida-man-harasses-a-baby-manatee-and-posts-pics-to-facebook-gets-arrested-for-being-a-dick
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23:39:37  <Wraithan>substack: ping
23:41:26  <Wraithan>substack: I'm in the process of doing some dotc-y things, I wanted to chat with you about defining target processor in package.json. There is the cpu array that is where it can/can't run but, suppose you are compiling for an ardiuno or the like
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