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11:59:22  <robertkowalski>hello berlin :)
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12:16:32  <jez0990_>brianloveswords: probably this https://gist.github.com/substack/5075355#comment-787806
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13:47:58  <mbalho>trevnorris: thanks for fsplit, i'll use it in my project when 0.12 comes out. until then i took some ideas from it and improved perf in binary-split. it used to take 3 minutes for binary-split to split a 5 million line file, now it takes just 15 seconds
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14:28:59  <mbalho>substack: http://okfnlabs.org/blog/2013/09/11/datapipes.html
14:29:08  <mbalho>substack: im speaking at their conference next week
14:29:19  <mbalho>substack: i need to get them to be more node-like and also to use dat
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14:40:31  <substack>mbalho: what about their approach is not node-like enough?
14:41:21  <mbalho>substack: well i guess i mean that I know them personally and know they arent aware of a lot of best practices e.g. https://github.com/okfn/datapipes/blob/master/package.json
14:42:05  <mbalho>also https://github.com/okfn/datapipes/blob/master/app.js needs lots of decoupling
14:42:17  <johnkpaul> I'm trying to browserify bundle from a express route for development speed
14:42:40  <johnkpaul>what do I need to keep around between requests to make best use of the cache?
14:42:59  <johnkpaul>Do i need to call .bundle() every time?
14:44:53  <substack>johnkpaul: you can use the watchify module through its api for that
14:46:03  <substack>johnkpaul: the api is the same as broserify except you get an 'update' event that tells you when you can .bundle() again
14:48:36  <johnkpaul>substack: ah I see
14:48:39  <johnkpaul>I didn't know this existed
14:49:17  <johnkpaul>substack: thanks! I'll try it
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14:58:17  <substack>or you can just run a watchify process
14:58:40  <substack>or there's beefy, which might use the cache but perhaps not
15:00:35  <johnkpaul>substack: I thought that the map to route was the recommended way to load a bundle
15:01:00  <johnkpaul>currently all of the browseirfy config and shim config is in a module
15:01:42  <johnkpaul>I switched to watchify, but how can I pipe a bundle to the response more than once?
15:02:02  <johnkpaul>or do I need to read this into a string in between updates
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15:04:44  <johnkpaul>there's probably a node module for this
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15:07:20  <substack>johnkpaul: people use browserify different ways.
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15:07:46  <substack>I tend to just use the commands directly from bash but other people prefer to use the api from their webapp
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15:12:07  <johnkpaul>substack: sadly I've already gone through the work to remove the grunt/cli stuff, although I might go back
15:12:14  <johnkpaul>I'm happy with the api from webapp solution
15:12:32  <johnkpaul>I think that I just don't understand how streams work :)
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15:16:28  <johnkpaul>if I have a bundle = b.bundle(), I can't bundle.pipe(writeableStream) multiple times?
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15:16:44  <johnkpaul>or rather, I know that I cannot do it multiple times, but what's the correct way to handle it
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15:19:29  <substack>johnkpaul: what are you trying to do?
15:19:53  <substack>just stream the bundle from the server?
15:19:58  <johnkpaul>I have an express route /bundle that I want to return the bundle
15:20:01  <johnkpaul>yes
15:20:06  <johnkpaul>in a way that will update the bundle when a file is changed
15:20:16  <johnkpaul>but using the cache so it's as fast as possible
15:20:35  <substack>just get that working using browserify() first with a bundle that is at the top-level
15:20:38  <substack>var b = browserify()
15:21:13  <johnkpaul>I have that working so far, b.bundle().pipe(response);
15:21:31  <johnkpaul>and that works as long as I call b.bundle() every time
15:21:37  <substack>yes
15:21:45  <johnkpaul>if I store b.bundle(), and try to pipe again, it does not work
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15:22:03  <substack>swap require('browserify') for require('watchify')
15:22:05  <substack>then it will work
15:22:18  <johnkpaul>yup, that works
15:22:33  <johnkpaul>and then I add b.on('update', func)
15:22:53  <johnkpaul>and in that callback, I don't know what to do
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15:32:03  <substack>johnkpaul: you don't need to add an onupdate listener if you're calling .bundle() on each request
15:33:24  <johnkpaul>substack: but I don't want to call .bundle() on each request, that recalculates the whole thing, right?
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15:35:29  <substack>johnkpaul: I'm not sure what you're trying to optimize for
15:36:22  <substack>if you're concerned about being efficient you should just run the watchify or browserify commands directly and serve up static files from static/bundle.js
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15:37:25  <substack>that's what I do and I can't give much advice about other ways of doing it because I don't do those
15:39:05  <johnkpaul>substack: I'm trying to optimize for development refresh speed
15:39:16  <johnkpaul>you mean run the watchify CLI rool?
15:39:19  <johnkpaul>tool*
15:39:43  <substack>yes the command-line tol
15:39:48  <johnkpaul>it's funny, I thought that serving the static files directly was an anti pattern
15:39:51  <substack>I just fire off one of those in a sub process
15:40:03  <substack>what's wrong with static files?
15:40:43  <johnkpaul>:) I don't know
15:41:03  <johnkpaul>I was just told that the correct way to do it was to use an express route and the browseirfy api
15:41:10  <johnkpaul>if I wanted to use the bundle cache
15:41:48  <substack>no you were asking how to use the browserify api with caching in an http route
15:41:57  <substack>not what the correct way is. there isn't a correct way
15:42:06  <substack>only different trade-offs
15:42:16  <johnkpaul>I don't mean that you told me that it was the correct way
15:42:24  <johnkpaul>yeah, I get that
15:42:32  <johnkpaul>you're right, I think I want the CLI and a static file
15:42:40  <johnkpaul>I just thought that wasn't the recommended pracice
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15:45:28  <substack>static files work perfectly well. That's what I do.
15:46:32  <johnkpaul>substack: As long as the watcher reacts quickly enough that I can alt tab refresh, I'm happy
15:48:24  <substack>yep, it's pretty fast
15:48:27  <substack>less than a second
15:52:23  <johnkpaul>substack: ok thanks
15:52:30  <johnkpaul>I'm going to use watchify and see how it goes
15:52:33  <johnkpaul>I appreciate the help!
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16:54:44  <isaacs>mbalho: http://adorabelledearheart.tumblr.com/post/60445276144/dirtprince-thepliablefoe-norwegian-forest
16:55:04  <isaacs>mbalho: you need to get in on the snogkatten trend
16:56:12  <ednapiranha>awww
16:56:19  <ednapiranha>it's going to furry all of itself on my black clothing
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18:56:01  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: check out enchilada module
18:56:09  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: it will do all the browserify/watching for you
18:56:28  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: it is meant to be used with express
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18:59:05  <johnkpaul>defunctzombie: thanks, I'll look into it
18:59:19  <johnkpaul>I think that I came across it earlier and couldn't figure out how to get browserify shim used with it
19:00:14  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: is browserify shim a transform?
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19:01:00  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: oh.. browserify shim wants to control the browserify instance.. bah.. stupid
19:01:31  <defunctzombie>I just don't use shim since it doesn't add any value to me :/
19:02:17  <johnkpaul>ah ok
19:02:27  <johnkpaul>I use a lot of non npm js
19:02:32  <johnkpaul>and non commonjs
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19:03:41  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: yea, I do to sometimes and I just convert it with one line
19:03:56  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: and typically if I find something useful and not on NPM, I will convert and put on npm
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19:20:18  <defunctzombie>substack: any way to test CORS requests in testling?
19:20:48  <defunctzombie>substack: I tried making two servers but that doesn't seem to work as only one is exposed in testling it seems
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19:23:35  <substack>I'm not too sure how CORS works. What would I need to do?
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19:28:21  <defunctzombie>substack: so I need to make an ajax request to a different URL (either hostname or port) than the one that serves up the initial page/script
19:28:28  <defunctzombie>substack: https://github.com/shtylman/xrequest/blob/master/test/server.js
19:28:32  <defunctzombie>I tried to do that
19:28:49  <defunctzombie>but I don't think my other port is open since it was not assigned by testling
19:29:29  <defunctzombie>maybe add a.localhost pointing to 127.0.0.1 to /etc/hosts on the testling boxes
19:29:45  <defunctzombie>so that two hostnames could be used to point to localhost
19:29:54  <defunctzombie>that would simulate having different domains
19:30:03  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: ^
19:30:27  <defunctzombie>then I would only need one server on the backend and it would work me thinks
19:31:04  <johnkpaul>defunctzombie: sadly I have way more than I'd ever want to convert and maintain, and many of the deps are on npm, but are outdated
19:31:18  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: ask the maintainers to update them
19:31:30  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: I have found most people to be responsive
19:31:41  <defunctzombie>if you never bring it up, then they may not even know
19:31:50  <defunctzombie>npm works when we all participate :)
19:32:22  <johnkpaul>defunctzombie: the maintainers aren't the people that put it onto npm
19:32:28  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: but I can certainly understand not wanting to convert, wish I had a better answer for ya :/ I convert cause I find more value in converting than using something else
19:32:35  <defunctzombie>johnkpaul: yea, email the people that put it on npm
19:32:50  <defunctzombie>if we want nice things, we sometimes have to do them ourselves :)
19:33:04  <johnkpaul>So far browserify-shim has been very helpful to do that conversion for me
19:33:21  <johnkpaul>I'm very happily using bower along side browserify/browserify shim so I never have to ask anyone to update anything
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19:33:43  <defunctzombie>don't see how bower fixes the update issue
19:33:45  <johnkpaul>but you're right, it'd be good for me to let the people who add proxy packages to npm to update stuff
19:33:49  <defunctzombie>but use whatever works for you :)
19:34:01  <johnkpaul>because the deps that I'm using are updated on bower by the creators
19:34:11  <johnkpaul>not by people who are just putting it onto npm
19:34:41  <defunctzombie>ah, so those folks are using bower instead of npm… meh
19:34:56  <defunctzombie>I prefer one package manager
19:35:52  <johnkpaul>yeah, I don't mind multiple
19:36:10  <johnkpaul>as long as there are ways to deal with the differences, which browserify-shim has provided for me
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19:42:29  <substack>johnkpaul: cool, you should blog about using browserify+npm and bower in the same project
19:42:32  <substack>if you get the time
19:42:43  <substack>people have asked me how to do that and I haven't had anything to point them at
19:43:52  <dominictarr>ATTN mbalho http://wizardgate.org/
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19:48:53  <johnkpaul>substack: hmm, that's a good idea, I assumed that I was rare in wanting to do it tbh
19:54:32  <jcrugzz>johnkpaul: yea i know my roommate would be interested in reading something on that
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20:39:13  <johnkpaul>jcrugzz: that's cool, I'd like to write up something about it
20:39:18  <johnkpaul>just have to find the time
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20:56:45  <st_luke>bower sucks
20:57:56  <st_luke>omg promises
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22:53:02  <st_luke>Domenic_: do you use redis with promises?
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23:59:28  <Domenic_>ircretary: tell st_luke I don't use redis at all (sadly), but a legit guy I know wrote https://npmjs.org/package/then-redis
23:59:28  <ircretary>Domenic_: I'll be sure to tell st_luke
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