15:31:07  * substacktopic: Unofficial browserling/testling mad science channel. For official help /join #browserling
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17:00:01  <juliangruber>substack: https://github.com/juliangruber/brash
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17:20:51  <brianloveswords>mbalho: Hey, this is a blog post about the Mozilla Science Lab! http://kaythaney.com/2013/09/01/our-plan-for-the-science-lab-version-1-0/
17:21:53  <mbalho>brianloveswords meet mikolalysenko
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17:22:09  <mbalho>mikolalysenko: brianloveswords works at mofo (mozilla foundation)
17:22:33  <mbalho>mikolalysenko: and is at nodeconfeu and is interested in the format of the class you are teaching
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17:29:27  <mikolalysenko>mbalho: brianloveswords hi, what's up?
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18:20:58  <brianloveswords>mikolalysenko: hey!
18:23:34  <brianloveswords>Yeah, Max said you were doing rad stuff with teaching node.
18:31:14  <jez0990_>Raynos: rvagg is looking for you, are you at the castle still?
18:31:46  <mikolalysenko>brianloveswords: yeah, it is a bit of an experiment though
18:31:50  <mikolalysenko>not sure if it is working yet
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18:32:11  <mikolalysenko>but basically we are trying out a new format with the computational geometry class
18:32:12  <brianloveswords>mikolalysenko: haha, yeah, that sounds like most of the stuff mozilla does. Mostly all experiments!
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18:32:44  <brianloveswords>mikolalysenko: we are doing this thing called the Mozilla Science Lab that might be interesting to you: http://kaythaney.com/2013/09/01/our-plan-for-the-science-lab-version-1-0/
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18:35:24  <jesusabdullah>Guys
18:35:27  <jesusabdullah>I don't like meetings
18:35:29  <mikolalysenko>brianloveswords: interesting, though the focus for the course isn't really on research level problems
18:35:30  <jesusabdullah>I find them so painful
18:35:34  * jesusabdullahcries about it
18:36:17  <mikolalysenko>brianloveswords: the idea is to try to use open source software development as a way to motivate students to study computational geometry
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18:37:12  <mikolalysenko>brianloveswords: so the idea is that the students are going to publish modules on npm and help build up better tools for working with geometry processing in javascript
18:37:30  <jesusabdullah>whoa garann got linked in a salon article
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18:38:48  <mikolalysenko>brianloveswords: hopefully the fact that they are putting it out there under their own name will give them extra motivation to try harder and understand things better
18:38:59  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: I went to a high school curriculum meeting a few months back, did my best to convince them to add github/OSS to it
18:39:03  <mikolalysenko>not to mention there is an added pay off for them that they get to build up their resume of completed projects
18:39:10  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: their non-AP courses use racket
18:39:13  <mikolalysenko>jesusabdullah: nice, did it work?
18:39:23  <mikolalysenko>jesusabdullah: that sounds pretty progressive for a high school course
18:39:27  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: how awesome would that be if suddenly racket projects started trending at end-of-semester
18:39:31  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: yeah, I don't know!
18:39:39  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: but I can dream
18:40:25  <mikolalysenko>yeah. one of the things that we are hoping to do with the course is to give students more meaningful things to work on than contrived algorithm problems and exam exercises
18:41:05  <mikolalysenko>the reason we can get away with this is that the course is basically an elective and not required for anything
18:41:21  <mikolalysenko>and we also got a small grant to support this experiment...
18:41:52  <mikolalysenko>but it is much too early to tell if it is a good idea or not, and the class is pretty small
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18:42:50  <mikolalysenko>at the very least, I hope that it will be more fun to teach/grade than the standard course and if we get a few well motivated students out of it, then I'd consider it a pretty good success
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18:44:19  <mikolalysenko>brianloveswords: but regarding open access science, I think that broadly speaking it is a good idea and a worthy goal to work toward
18:45:52  <mikolalysenko>but it is going to be difficult to solve. probably the biggest problem is getting people to buy in. for example, a lot of journals are hideously overpriced, but they get away with it due to branding and credibility issues
18:46:11  <mikolalysenko>and it doesn't help that open access is sort of associated with "scam" in many circiles
18:46:35  <mikolalysenko>since there are a lot of these pay-for-publication open access emails that spam a bunch and just rip you off
18:46:53  <mikolalysenko>and also have no respectability in the larger community
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18:48:36  <mikolalysenko>one thing I would like to do is put more of my research directly on github, but it is difficult to do since I often don't want to widely distribute early drafts of things that contain many errors/mistakes
18:49:20  <mikolalysenko>also using latex on github is a bit awkward
18:49:35  <mikolalysenko>a much better solution would be adding tex mathmode expressions to markdown
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18:51:53  <mikolalysenko>even mathml would be acceptable actually
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19:45:51  <defunctzombie>substack: I am trying to test an ajax module CORS stuff (https://github.com/shtylman/xrequest/blob/master/test/server.js) and for that need to make two servers
19:45:53  <defunctzombie>substack: however, not sure that testling supports this or proxies my server properly
19:45:55  <defunctzombie>substack: thoughts?
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20:19:18  <defunctzombie>substack: also, http://ci.testling.com/shtylman/xrequest android and some others don't seem to run
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