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| <jlord> | hey are there people here who like the east bay!? |
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| <jlord> | yay! ok, if i host a github drinkup next thursday, will people come? |
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| <thlorenz> | Domenic_: what's browserify's new super compact thing? |
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| <Domenic_> | thlorenz: the format it spits out is like [["a bunch of source", {"./module-id": "1", "./other-id": "2"}], ["another module's source", ...], ...] |
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| <thlorenz> | yeah, but with sourcemaps you won't have to deal with that |
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| <thlorenz> | since all you need is the range in the bundle where the source is |
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| <Domenic_> | yeah but i was talking about, after you have all the source, how do you output it in a format that the browser can understand |
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| <Domenic_> | browserify v1 had this `require.define("module id", function (require, exports, module) { ... })` thing |
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| <Domenic_> | so it was really easy to split up its bundles |
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| <Domenic_> | browserify v2 doesn't have that any more |
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| <thlorenz> | you'd make a require implementation that pulls modules from a global object after you loaded then via sync script tags |
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| <thlorenz> | s/then/them |
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| <Domenic_> | but you still need to modify the individual script files |
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| <Domenic_> | because they just use require/exports/module freely |
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| <Domenic_> | which won't work without a wrapper |
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| <thlorenz> | true |
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| <thlorenz> | you'd have to pull them in and stick their exports into some hash to which you point the require |
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| <thlorenz> | problem is you'd have to do it in the right order ;) |
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| <Domenic_> | and so basically at this point you're writing RequireJS |
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| <Domenic_> | thus my idea of just making the wrapper be the AMD wrapper, then letting RequireJS (or Almond?) do all the work |
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| <thlorenz> | yes, funny - was just gonna mention bromote which is exactly going in that direction |
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| <Domenic_> | so ridiculous :P |
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| <thlorenz> | it is |
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| <thlorenz> | if we only could teach r.js how npm works ;) |
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| <Domenic_> | lol "are forced to load scripts from urls for whatever reason that is out of their control." |
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| <thlorenz> | :) |
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| <Domenic_> | "like for example their boss said so" |
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| <thlorenz> | I mention further down that it makes sense to load jquery from a cdn though |
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| <Domenic_> | meh |
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| <thlorenz> | and makes bundling a lot faster during development |
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| <Domenic_> | anyway yeah i think writing something that analyzes a node directory layout and spits out a require.config would be pretty nifty |
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| <thlorenz> | totally agree |
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| <Domenic_> | at some point browserify isn't actually involved, except to do the transforms, lol. |
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| <thlorenz> | and/or at least create a bunch of much smaller bundles that are feasible to debug |
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| <thlorenz> | people are trying to solve the problem to create a module loader that works with all bundlers |
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| <thlorenz> | I think a better problem to solve is to be able to spit out commonJS modules in formats that can be consumed by any bundler and/or global script loaders |
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| <Domenic_> | like, umd? |
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| <thlorenz> | almost I guess, but I'd need to also control what gets included in the bundle |
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| <thlorenz> | i.e. someone may already have a global Backbone :P and then he doesn't want me to bundle it in even if my lib depends on it |
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| <Domenic_> | you've seen amd-wrap i assume? |
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| <thlorenz> | instead he wants me ending up using his Backbone |
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| <thlorenz> | yours? |
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| <Domenic_> | ya |
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| <thlorenz> | yes |
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| <Domenic_> | sounds like you want umd-wrap |
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| <Domenic_> | well actually i guess that already exists, ForbesLindesay/umd |
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| <thlorenz> | but it needs to understand npm and how to resolve deps |
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| <thlorenz> | and take a config of what to include and what not |
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| <Domenic_> | oh well why not go for the approach of not including anything |
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| <thlorenz> | ForbesLindesay/umd is basically enabling --standalone right |
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| <Domenic_> | yes but it doesn't bundle multiple files together |
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| <thlorenz> | that's actually feasible, but how would you resolve requires inside of it? |
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| <thlorenz> | so if I end up with each lib in its own file, and I could resolve them however I want, that is what we need |
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| <Domenic_> | well whichever module system you're using does it |
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| <Domenic_> | for requireJS that means massive require.config |
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| <Domenic_> | for node it means the usual algorithm |
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| <thlorenz> | got it, so you'd override the 'require' |
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| <thlorenz> | but you'd have to make relative paths work :( |
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| <thlorenz> | feels like you'd need to rewrite some code |
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| <thlorenz> | the main requirejs cheat is that it's async - that opens up lots of client side possiblities |
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| <thlorenz> | but require works sync, so you can't go fetch anything for instance -- hence bromote |
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| <Domenic_> | i don't think it makes much difference |
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| <thlorenz> | but I can't make an ajax request if its sync |
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| <thlorenz> | so somehow I need to make sure I pull in everything before I start |
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| <thlorenz> | unless I do this hack they call syncXHR |
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| <thlorenz> | Domenic_: interested now what @ben-ng comes up with, given the challenges ;) |
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| <Domenic_> | thlorenz: definitely :D |
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| <Altreus> | this page says the latest version is 0.3.7 but when I try to install 0.3.x it only goes up to 0.2.6 :( https://npmjs.org/package/elasticsearch |
| 16:23:33
| <Altreus> | who do i fight |
| 16:24:30
| <coderzach> | Altreus: you probably have it cached |
| 16:24:51
| <Altreus> | oh |
| 16:25:10
| <coderzach> | it installed 0.3.7 for me just now |
| 16:25:24
| <coderzach> | npm cache clean |
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| <guybrush> | if the cache prevents from installing the proper version its a bug |
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| <Altreus> | nup |
| 16:27:04
| <Altreus> | not that |
| 16:27:44
| <coderzach> | O_o weird |
| 16:27:45
| <guybrush> | so maybe try npm i -g npm |
| 16:28:12
| <guybrush> | then do a rm -rf node_modules and try again |
| 16:28:27
| <Altreus> | just waiting for /-/all to respond |
| 16:28:34
| <Altreus> | it didn't :/ |
| 16:28:58
| <Altreus> | that was a search though - was just interested in what it thought of things |
| 16:30:07
| <Altreus> | no joy |
| 16:30:19
| <Altreus> | are there mirrors? |
| 16:30:36
| <guybrush> | maybe try npm i ncb000gt/node-elasticsearch |
| 16:30:50
| <guybrush> | it will install master of git |
| 16:31:37
| <Altreus> | The JSON response here https://registry.npmjs.org/elasticsearch does not match what my system says |
| 16:31:45
| <guybrush> | but there is something wrong if it doesnt work from the registry :D |
| 16:32:07
| <Altreus> | also its https certificate is broked |
| 16:32:18
| <Altreus> | But I made npm use http. Maybe that's why |
| 16:32:46
| <guybrush> | how did you do that? |
| 16:32:50
| <guybrush> | make npm use http |
| 16:32:51
| <Altreus> | Forgot |
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| <Altreus> | :) |
| 16:33:09
| <Altreus> | hmm |
| 16:33:13
| <Altreus> | It was a setting |
| 16:33:14
| <guybrush> | oh |
| 16:33:21
| <guybrush> | its default isnt it? |
| 16:33:27
| <guybrush> | in the npmrc |
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| <Altreus> | registry = http://registry.npmjs.org # like this |
| 16:34:00
| <Altreus> | no it seems to use https by default - which times out |
| 16:34:16
| <Altreus> | oh i have an idea |
| 16:34:49
| <Altreus> | ok now I'm being debian'd |
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| <Altreus> | I'm 0.2 versions behind in npm |
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| <coderzach> | 1.3.5 not 1.3.7? |
| 16:42:57
| <Altreus> | oh christ it installed node 0.6 |
| 16:42:57
| <Altreus> | right back to the drawing board |
| 16:43:08
| <Altreus> | nope the maths form of 0.2 |
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| <Altreus> | 1.1.7 |
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| <Altreus> | screw apt |
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| <Raynos> | jden: do you use typescript? |
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| <dimadima> | typescript stacks, etc are in JS, right? |
| 17:28:19
| <dimadima> | just like CS? |
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| <dimadima> | they're not mitigating that "issue" somehow, are they? |
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| <coderzach> | stacks? |
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| <isaacs> | how much do you want to bet that Hi all, |
| 17:34:48
| <isaacs> | I created a new tool browsers/Node.js compatible. |
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| <isaacs> | It can handle asynchronous calls as if they weren't, and can create relationships between your various scopes. |
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| <isaacs> | oops, wrong-paste :) |
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| <isaacs> | how much do you want to bet that "Michaël Rouges" is mikeal in a french disguise? |
| 17:35:42
| <isaacs> | promoting yield pseudo-sync flow-control stuff? it's too good. |
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| <dimadima> | coderzach: stack traces |
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| <coderzach> | I think it has sourcemaps |
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| <mikeal> | hahaha |
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| <mikeal> | i wish i had the time to write entire libraries just to support a parody account :) |
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| <Raynos> | dimadima: yes they compile to js |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: :D |
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| <dimadima> | never used TS or CS, but i don't imagine that traces being in JS can be that annoying. prolly gets annoying though. |
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| <st_luke> | coderzach: whats up dude |
| 17:50:55
| <coderzach> | not much |
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| <st_luke> | still in nyc? |
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| <coderzach> | yeah |
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| <coderzach> | you? |
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| <st_luke> | I'm in oakland/sf now |
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| <coderzach> | oh nice |
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| <coderzach> | you working on anything cool? |
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| <dimadima> | coderzach: oh just noticed your sourcemaps comment. nice. yeah, seems rather reasonable having not used it |
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| <dimadima> | what are ppl up to in nyc |
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| <dimadima> | i haven't lived/worked there recently. didn't really dig my professional scene, and didn't have the time to dig around for other computer ppl |
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| <coderzach> | yeah, def less tech people here |
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| <dimadima> | woudl have loved to meet some hackers who like love coding not just for profit |
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| <coderzach> | I think the startup space is better for that |
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| <dimadima> | i'm not a big startups guy either, though. maybe that is my problem. that startups culture isn't my jam entirely |
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| <dimadima> | but you're prolly right |
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| <coderzach> | st_luke: seems like you got out of wayla at a good time |
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| <dimadima> | it was nice working in the flatiron though. i'd do that again |
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| <st_luke> | flatiron is ok, the food kind of sucks. soho is a lot cooler and way better food/coffee |
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| <st_luke> | at least for work |
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| <st_luke> | flatiron is probably better to live in |
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| <defunctzombie> | substack: there is a browserify jobs twitter account |
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| <defunctzombie> | hahaha |
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| <defunctzombie> | https://twitter.com/BrowserifyJobs |
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| <mbalho> | lol |
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| <st_luke> | fancy avatar |
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| <coderzach> | "the best bundlers" |
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| <dominictarr> | mbalho: substack when are you guys coming to ireland? |
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| <st_luke> | defunctzombie: what the fuck, your identicon is so much better than mine |
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| <st_luke> | http://identicons.github.com/luk-.png |
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| <defunctzombie> | st_luke: rofl |
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| <defunctzombie> | st_luke: sadpanda |
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| <st_luke> | I literally got the worst identicon anyone could get |
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| <thlorenz> | st_luke: defunctzombie mine looks like a spider not sure if that's better http://identicons.github.com/thlorenz.png |
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| <thlorenz> | or could be a muscleman - depends how you look at it |
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| <defunctzombie> | looks like a skull ot me |
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| <defunctzombie> | *to |
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| <st_luke> | yeah that's a good one |
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| <st_luke> | at least yours isnt a fucking coffee table |
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| <thlorenz> | st_luke: defunctzombie https://twitter.com/thlorenz/status/367728842942976000 |
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| <st_luke> | how do I vote |
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| <thlorenz> | you reply |
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| <thlorenz> | st_luke: unless you want me to create github issue for it ;) |
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| <dominictarr> | thlorenz: I think your identicon is cthuthlu |
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| <dominictarr> | http://identicons.github.com/dominictarr.png |
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| <dominictarr> | I'm a hat without a wearer |
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| <defunctzombie> | haha |
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| <defunctzombie> | it is hair |
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| <defunctzombie> | pink hair |
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| <coderzach> | mines a guy with no legs :-( https://identicons.github.com/xcoderzach.png |
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| <dominictarr> | coderzach: I see a grumpy cat with a third eye in forhead |
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| <dominictarr> | it would be a boat if it was lower in the field |
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| <coderzach> | lol |
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| <coderzach> | a squinting duck with a third eye |
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| <AvianFlu> | ...I guess I'm a treasure chest? http://identicons.github.com/avianflu.png |
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| <coderzach> | AvianFlu: I think you're a pink pirate |
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| <AvianFlu> | lol |
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| <AvianFlu> | YOU HEAR THAT LOUDBOT I'M A PINK PIRATE |
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| <LOUDBOT> | HEY SPIFFYTECH WHATS YOUR IMPACT FACTOR? |
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| <jcrugzz> | im an antennae http://identicons.github.com/jcrugzz.png |
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| <Raynos> | im a potion http://identicons.github.com/raynos.png |
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| <ins0mnia> | chrisdickinson: think TZ can be expanded to return something like Europe/Berlin (which is sort of a location/offset mapping) ? |
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| <chrisdickinson> | potentially yes |
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| <ins0mnia> | chrisdickinson: cool, I'm thinking to use tz with moment.js, so basically we could include a list of timezones bases on GMT offset and map it to tzoffset() |
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| <ins0mnia> | chrisdickinson: let me know if this is something you wish to have in the module, if so I could do the mapping |
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| <st_luke> | at least you're not all a fuckin shelf |
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