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00:50:24  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: cool that I say that as my connection to github is having issues
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01:23:50  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: haha yeah
01:24:07  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: i was just trying to update engine.io-stream for reconnect-engine
01:24:17  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: and it didn't work, so i opened an issue
01:25:44  <substack>mikolalysenko: ok webworkify now uses the correct name consistently
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02:27:56  <defunctzombie>juliangruber: I will ping rauchg some more, we should be able to make it happen
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02:33:05  <juliangruber>defunctzombie: that would be sweet
02:33:14  <juliangruber>i mean, awesome
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02:54:50  <mikolalysenko>substack: I am already webworkify in a paid project for 3d systems
02:55:11  <mikolalysenko>err already using
02:55:40  <mikolalysenko>I also have a combination of a bad cold and hang over right now and words are escaping me
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02:59:04  <substack>wowsy
02:59:25  <substack>mikolalysenko: is it working well?
02:59:29  <mikolalysenko>yep
02:59:37  <substack>great
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02:59:55  <substack>there seemed to be a lot of ways of tackling it and the current approach rather mystical
03:00:13  <substack>since it searches the module cache for a matching exports ref
03:00:22  <mikolalysenko>I think it is fine
03:00:27  <substack>and you've got to be careful about initialization
03:00:34  <mikolalysenko>yeah
03:01:03  <mikolalysenko>the key thing though is that I don't think any of this would have been possible without modifying browser-pack
03:01:25  <substack>yes I was poking and prodding at it and it seemed impossible
03:01:37  <substack>since the callee.caller stack goes away between require() calls
03:02:00  <substack>so that trick only works from the entry file
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03:04:26  <mikolalysenko>yeah, I tried a bunch of stuff too and couldn't come up with anything
03:04:59  <mikolalysenko>other than using a transform which doubles the file size
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03:13:25  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: finally did the documenting (had been procrastinating this all day)
03:13:38  <thlorenz>merged into master
03:16:56  <thlorenz>substack: so are you using caller.callee in the current implementation?
03:17:13  <thlorenz>cause that gets removed in case someone puts a global 'use strict' somewhere
03:17:55  <substack>thlorenz: no
03:18:01  <thlorenz>ah, good
03:18:12  <substack>only arguments[n] for n=3,4,5
03:18:28  <thlorenz>that will work
03:18:47  <substack>which correspond to the bundle function, cache, and sources hash
03:19:01  <thlorenz>btw how does yours relate to chrisdickinson's modules?
03:19:16  <substack>it doesn't
03:19:32  <thlorenz>he had https://github.com/chrisdickinson/w3c-blob which I used to inline a web worker
03:20:02  <substack>oh yes, I copied that trick
03:20:45  <thlorenz>I used it for brace to be able to host ace anywhere without having to serve worker code
03:20:57  <substack>I could probably retrofit webworkify to run in node too
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03:21:04  <thlorenz>substack: and what about https://github.com/chrisdickinson/bfy-worker?
03:21:06  <substack>using some child_process api
03:21:22  <thlorenz>thought that was trying to solve similar problem?
03:22:40  <substack>but that depended on v1 patches
03:22:52  <thlorenz>ah, never mind then -- outdated I guess
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03:28:14  <thlorenz>substack: reading throuhg it, like how concise/short it is :)
03:28:33  <thlorenz>however not sure if you can rely on a 'Blob' to be there in all browsers
03:28:44  <thlorenz>see: https://github.com/chrisdickinson/w3c-blob/blob/master/browser.js#L4
03:29:03  <substack>Worker() is not going to be in all browsers either
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03:30:43  <thlorenz>substack: true, so I guess it doesn't work in older browsers anyways - may as well break on Blob not being ther :)
03:31:12  <substack>yeah I can't imagine there are many browsers that have Worker but not Blob
03:31:17  <substack>but I could be mistaken
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03:34:02  <thlorenz>substack: not sure BlobBuilder API has been deprecated for a while for Blob, so there is a good chance you are right
03:35:08  <mbalho>substack: it would be cool if workerify just ran stuff on the main thread in browsers that dont have webworkers
03:36:09  <mikolalysenko>that may not work so hot...
03:36:28  <mikolalysenko>but I guess you could just stick it in there anyway, only adds a few bytes
03:36:58  <guybrush>the amount of workers is not unlimited, so i wonder if it is nice when submodules spawn workers randomly
03:37:00  <mikolalysenko>also, fyi regarding blobs/workers: http://caniuse.com/#feat=webworkers http://caniuse.com/#feat=blobbuilder
03:37:12  <mikolalysenko>for some things I think it is ok
03:37:36  <mikolalysenko>like if the communication and routing between the workers is sufficiently complex I'd rather abstract it away in a module
03:38:04  <mikolalysenko>so the one weird case where you have workers but not blobs is safari 5.1
03:38:08  <guybrush>i think the "best practice" should be to only spawn after explicitly told to
03:38:25  <mikolalysenko>well, if a module is explicit that it is going to spawn workers it should just do it
03:38:34  <mikolalysenko>but adding options to control the number of workers makes sense
03:38:47  <mbalho>you'd have to abstract it with a pool right?
03:39:01  <mikolalysenko>depends what you want to do
03:39:09  <mikolalysenko>I think a pool may not be the best solution tbh
03:39:22  <mikolalysenko>for some things it is good though
03:40:19  <mikolalysenko>the problem with pools is you can get starvation
03:40:23  <guybrush>i think it mostly depends on what a worker does
03:40:38  <guybrush>i mean a physics worker is different than a mesher-worker
03:40:43  <mikolalysenko>yeah
03:41:00  <mikolalysenko>though maybe you want to combine them to reduce communication overhead
03:41:19  <mikolalysenko>but however it goes, it is probably unavoidable that it will get a bit messy internally
03:41:44  <mikolalysenko>so I think the key thing is to have a module that gives a simple and uniform interface for the workers
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04:03:27  <thlorenz>defunctzombie: good news
04:03:30  <thlorenz>this: zuul --server 3000 --config ./zuul-config.js client/test/**/*.js
04:04:00  <thlorenz>already works since the files get expanded by bash before they get passed to zuul cli :)
04:04:05  <thlorenz>forgot about that fact
04:04:11  <jesusabdullah>what is zuul
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04:16:47  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: https://github.com/shtylman/zuul
04:17:02  <thlorenz>browserify/mocha/phantomjs happy testing
04:17:59  <jesusabdullah>mocha :C
04:18:55  <jesusabdullah>otherwise: Very cool
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04:21:56  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: for app testing mocha is ok, especially if you wanna zoom in on some failing tests by just clicking some link
04:22:09  <thlorenz>for lib testing I prefer tape
04:24:01  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: but I made zuul much more extensible, so you could probably run tape tests with it now (unless you just wanna use testling for that)
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04:24:20  <jesusabdullah>idk, I ran into some odd issues with testling
04:24:25  <jesusabdullah>I guess I could dig in and PR
04:24:38  <jesusabdullah>isn't there another browser-based tape runner?
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04:25:08  <thlorenz>testling -x open works for me at this point
04:26:00  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: I ususally handroll my own otherwise: https://github.com/thlorenz/scriptie-talkie/tree/master/test/browser
04:26:13  <jesusabdullah>huh
04:26:25  <thlorenz>using ecstatic of course ;)
04:26:38  <jesusabdullah>I think I just had a hard time just getting testling to pick up my test files
04:26:45  <jesusabdullah>and the docs were out of sync with reality
04:26:53  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: it's just to stand up a devserver that rebundles and reruns tests on refresh
04:27:03  <thlorenz>sounds familiar ;)
04:27:41  <jesusabdullah>yeah, I mean I've been there
04:28:27  <jesusabdullah>nice lil' test harness you got there
04:28:36  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: testling saw lots of improvements by substack lately -- it finds all my tests, respects transform field, etc.
04:28:41  <thlorenz>:)
04:28:45  <jesusabdullah>oh cool
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04:29:38  <thlorenz>I pretty much copy that harness around -- should prob. make a module some day
04:29:44  <jesusabdullah>ahh, I remember now, I could only get the "testling" field in the package.json to work
04:29:53  <st_luke>retina macbook pro battery life is awful
04:30:09  <jesusabdullah>like, I wanted to do the browserify ./test.js | testling thing but it was being ultra hater
04:30:14  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: one half of ten minutes?
04:30:20  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: also that's what I have!
04:30:31  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: which size
04:30:56  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: idk no tape measure, maybe 15"?
04:31:10  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: is it big or small
04:31:37  <jesusabdullah>oh, and thlorenz I wanted 'npm test' to do both local and browser testing so I wrote a bash script shimmmy-shim https://github.com/jesusabdullah/kenny-loggins/blob/master/test.sh
04:31:43  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: pretty big?
04:31:48  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: you should try again. Just testlingify your package and off you go ;)
04:31:51  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: not like DELL GAMING LAPTOP big
04:32:09  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: but not exactly tiny either
04:32:13  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: but so thin!
04:32:37  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: I'm on a mac so I have to do testling -x open since I don't have that X windows fake thing
04:32:47  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: I feel kinda weird for saying this, but I actually really like it!
04:32:56  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: really? xvfb no worky on mac?
04:32:59  <st_luke>why weird?
04:33:06  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: actually I guess that makes sense
04:33:18  <st_luke>its just a computer, if it helps you get your work done then its good
04:33:19  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: I guess I always thought I'd be a linux die-hard
04:33:28  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: and I did run into a few really silly issues
04:33:41  <st_luke>I know a lot of linux people that went to os x because they're sick of dealing with the linux bullshit
04:33:47  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: but yeah really nice hardware, ux doesn't make me want to punch babies
04:34:07  <st_luke>its unix
04:34:10  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: can't install it
04:34:11  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: most bash stuff works right, a few odd idioms but I'm able to work around them
04:34:15  <thlorenz>on mac
04:34:23  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: huh.
04:34:38  <thlorenz>xfvb has no mac installer
04:34:51  <thlorenz>if you find / write one you'd be my hero ;)
04:34:53  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: I suspect you could make it work, but you would need to run custom versions of the browsers compiled to run on mac and you'd have to compile xvfb "by-hand" so to speak
04:35:07  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: the main thing is mac don't use x
04:35:13  <thlorenz>looking forward to that gist
04:35:14  <st_luke>why dont you just build it manually?
04:35:15  <thlorenz>:)
04:35:34  <thlorenz>st_luke: haven't tried - searched the web high and low for solutions
04:35:38  <jesusabdullah>thlorenz: like, you can actually run xmonad on a mac but it draws to its own window cause, yeah
04:35:43  <st_luke>is there a tarball somewhere?
04:35:55  <thlorenz>not sure
04:36:05  <thlorenz>also it makes devops more complex
04:36:08  <jesusabdullah>like I said, you'll have to also install x11-on-mac versions of all your browsers, it would be a huge undertaking
04:36:22  <jesusabdullah>BUT maybe there's a cocoa-vfb-thinger?
04:36:27  <thlorenz>like we don't wanna have to tell anyone to install something on our build server
04:36:30  <st_luke>thlorenz: having a source code makes devops more complex?
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04:36:44  <thlorenz>no not being able to npm install everything does
04:36:55  <thlorenz>you can npm install phantomjs
04:36:56  <st_luke>thlorenz: does your devops team not ever have to build software manually?
04:37:12  <thlorenz>don't ask ;)
04:37:33  <thlorenz>the less friction we have the better
04:37:35  <st_luke>sorry for your devops team dude
04:37:50  <jesusabdullah>lulz
04:37:56  <thlorenz>well it's an old shop that prev. did lots of java - so thanks
04:38:07  <thlorenz>gotta go ...
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04:42:05  <jesusabdullah>how u screenshot mac lol
04:45:45  <st_luke>command shift 3 or 4
04:45:47  <jesusabdullah>nvm goog halped
04:45:51  <st_luke>3 is for whole screen and 4 is for a segment of it
04:45:58  <jesusabdullah>yeah, cmd-shift-3 worked for my needs
04:46:07  <jesusabdullah>I wish osx came with a bundled image editor
04:46:08  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: you can do command shift 4 also then press spacebar and just get a shot of a single window
04:46:12  <jesusabdullah>I installed gimp, that's okay
04:46:17  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: okay word
04:46:20  <st_luke>you can crop and shit in preview
04:46:29  <mbalho>use the magic wand luke
04:47:57  <st_luke>fucking magic wand
04:48:17  <jesusabdullah>hahaha
04:49:44  <st_luke>I type ever domain I need to go to into google.com
04:50:56  <jesusabdullah>wat
04:51:03  <jesusabdullah>what about google.com ?
04:51:47  <st_luke>i dont know how to compute
04:53:27  <jesusabdullah>The instructions said to go to My Computer and I was like, "I'm already ON my computer!
04:53:44  <jesusabdullah>(the only good joke Ctrl-Alt-Del ever ran)
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05:09:06  <jesusabdullah>defunctzombie: Ran into https://npmjs.org/package/flates might be useful in building up dat html
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06:44:07  <substack>mbalho: it was just a bad hdmi cable!
06:44:10  <substack>works great
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06:53:57  <defunctzombie>jesusabdullah: nice
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15:18:08  <juliangruber>can anyone else not reach the npm registry?
15:19:59  <juliangruber>^ isaacs: Error code: ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE
15:20:51  <juliangruber>uhoh isaacs: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to npmjs.org:443
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15:45:19  <Kessler_>juliangruber: we're having problems with npm as well here...
15:45:34  <Kessler_>juliangruber: so does nodejistu apparently
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15:46:55  <juliangruber>Kessler_: the question is, is having nodejitsu having problems because of npm, or npm because of nodejitsu, or is there another factor?
15:47:33  <Kessler_>no idea but i'm having problem updating from npm on my amazon servers
15:48:06  <Kessler_>as well as in my office (in israel)
15:48:12  <Kessler_>getting lots of 500s
15:48:16  <Kessler_>error parsing json
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16:19:04  <juliangruber>mhm
16:19:05  <juliangruber>that sucks
16:21:16  <juliangruber>Kessler_: https://twitter.com/npmjs/status/364057337419415553
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23:43:50  <jesusabdullah>jlord: That comment on that millennials article? PRICELESS
23:44:07  <jesusabdullah>jlord: it IS kinda funny how old people find this so bewildering isn't it?
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23:50:50  <substack>kids these days!
23:51:18  <substack>their preferences, influenced by changing circumstances and changing technologies, are different from kids in prior time frames!
23:51:21  <substack>IMAGINE THAT
23:51:21  <LOUDBOT>WHEN YOU WERE 2 YOU PISSED YOURSELF THE NATION WANTS TO KNOW DID IT FEEL GOOD
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