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02:29:11  <substack>st_luke: localwiki data hacking next saturday aug 3rd at peralta just down the street
02:29:22  <st_luke>substack: rad
02:30:43  <st_luke>ahh i might be in new york
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02:32:46  <st_luke>defunctzombie_zz: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/3685
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02:44:36  <defunctzombie>st_luke: fixed indeed
02:48:08  <st_luke>sweet
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02:48:26  <st_luke>definitely was some weirdness going on with the previous release
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03:27:56  <substack>defunctzombie: pkg.testling.server is almost working
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03:50:10  <defunctzombie>substack: fuck yea
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03:58:28  <mk30>just talked to philip and tried to summarize the idea. he says: i will be working on some tools to help with that stuff. would like more details on what they are thinking. i will be making a localwiki-clone thing to clone a complete instance and a localwiki-merge thing to merge in a localwiki into a hub
03:59:29  <mk30>hub = plan for new central lw site: http://localwiki.org/blog/2013/jul/25/big-news-future-localwiki/
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04:03:52  <substack>mk30: will localwiki-clone let us clone the database?
04:03:56  <substack>if so, sounds great!
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04:04:22  <mk30>i will find out
04:05:39  <substack>except for the user data of course
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04:37:27  <defunctzombie>substack: pkg.testling.server will that be a module or just an env/predefined system ?
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04:38:38  <substack>defunctzombie: it's part of the `testling` module
04:38:50  <substack>and testling-ci is going to be using the `testling` module itself directly very soon
04:39:00  <substack>the testling-server module on npm already does it that way
04:39:37  <substack>and we're going to replace the current testling-ci with a mostly vanilla version of testling-server in production once it's ready
04:39:58  <defunctzombie>gotcha
04:40:22  <substack>it's sooooo much cleaner the second time around and on top of leveldb
04:40:38  <defunctzombie>heh
04:40:47  <defunctzombie>can't wait to try it
04:40:54  <jcrugzz>substack: what did it use before out of curiosity?
04:41:24  <substack>jcrugzz: the current testling-ci runs on couchdb
04:41:31  <jcrugzz>ahh ok
04:41:35  <substack>not terrible but it's just kind of messy getting data into and out of it
04:41:43  <substack>and updating and writing map reduces for views
04:42:01  <jcrugzz>yea the leveldb stream apis are really nice for a database
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04:42:48  <jcrugzz>couch only gives a taste with the changes feed
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04:50:35  <rvagg>level-live-stream is the ultimate changes feed
04:53:45  <jcrugzz>rvagg: i do not doubt this. going to be playing with it soon :)
04:54:02  <jcrugzz>you know if there is anything special you have to do with multilevel?
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04:56:08  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: grats
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04:59:56  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: I'm still working through things, won't be breathing out until I can pay a month's rent XD
05:00:50  <rvagg>jcrugzz: bother juliangruber about it, he should be around
05:02:45  <jcrugzz>juliangruber: ping
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05:17:01  <chapel>rvagg: I am dying to use leveldb for production use at my job, but a few use cases make it somewhat of a deal breaker
05:17:32  <chapel>rvagg: mainly because node.js isn't the only thing needing access to the data, and more than one process needs access to the data on each server
05:17:59  <mbalho>chapel: multilevel yo
05:18:12  <chapel>mbalho: we are limited on space
05:18:26  <mbalho>multilevel is an api
05:18:37  <mbalho>you host it in node and other processes read leveldb through that
05:18:40  <chapel>sure, but not outside of node
05:19:06  <mbalho>the protocol is documented, im sure you could write a client in any language
05:19:14  <chapel>mbalho: yeah
05:19:56  <chapel>with leveldb, couldn't you stop the process and copy the files to another location, and its essentially a copy of the db?
05:20:02  <chapel>as long as nothing is writing to it
05:20:28  <mbalho>well yea but that isnt something lots of production use cases could do
05:20:37  <mbalho>and you still need to write leveldb bindings in another language
05:20:41  <mbalho>and then how do you merge them back?
05:20:52  <juliangruber>jcrugzz: LiveStream.install(db); then create a manifest and use it in the client, as in the readme under https://github.com/juliangruber/multilevel#plugins (skip the "extend db with a foo" block)
05:20:56  <chapel>well, its read only on production servers mbalho
05:21:05  <chapel>so merging is not an issue
05:22:16  <juliangruber>chapel: in order to port multilevel to other languages you'd have to mainly rewrite mux-demux, binary capable serializers, a simple rpc method and then multilevel itself
05:22:24  <chapel>the other snag beyond other languages, is we have a master db where we host the data that the production databases are based off of
05:22:39  <juliangruber>chapel: or there is http://ghub.io/multilevel-http
05:22:43  <chapel>heh
05:22:52  <juliangruber>which is slow but easy to use from any language
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05:23:51  <chapel>well we need fast :P
05:24:00  <juliangruber>chapel: there are modules for master slave replication
05:24:13  <juliangruber>chapel: https://github.com/dominictarr/level-master
05:24:36  <jcrugzz>juliangruber: thanks :)
05:26:18  <chapel>so a quick overview, we run 16 servers, each essentially a mirror of each other, we run multiple web servers, a few node.js ones, and at least one scala one, each server has a production version of the master mongo database which all of the servers read from
05:26:19  <jcrugzz>so the install would need to take place on the server correct and the manifest enables the liveStream to be picked up on that end?
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05:28:17  <juliangruber>jcrugzz: exactly
05:29:24  <jcrugzz>juliangruber: good stuff, thanks
05:29:58  <chapel>anyways, I am most lamenting the fact that it wouldn't be easy for me to just use leveldb, even though I wish it were :)
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05:43:13  <chrisdickinson>woo, linter that runs as part of tape: https://github.com/chrisdickinson/scoped/blob/master/test/index.js#L9-L13
05:43:16  <jcrugzz>chapel: just gotta keep making moves towards making it a real possibility :)
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05:44:16  <chapel>jcrugzz: yeah, I have a lot of control over what I work on, and the direction of things, but the way things are now isn't bad, just not as great as I'd like it :)
05:44:50  <jcrugzz>never is but thats why we keep moving forward :D
05:46:14  <chapel>I technically work for a big corp and get to use node.js, so thats good :)
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05:46:55  <jcrugzz>chapel: yea, luckily that trend is catching on. you work at walmart labs right?
05:47:03  <chapel>yep
05:47:19  <chrisdickinson>are you in the pdx offices?
05:47:27  <chapel>no, mountain view
05:47:30  <chrisdickinson>ah, cool
05:47:32  <chapel>we have a san bruno office as well
05:47:42  <chapel>well lots of offices
05:47:47  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: what kind of things are you going to be working on in utah
05:48:43  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: so the big service they run now is tvii on the wiiu, backend's node + mongodb
05:49:05  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: wow cool
05:49:16  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: yeah not too bad :)
05:49:23  <st_luke>are you moving?
05:49:29  <jesusabdullah>yeah
05:49:49  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: that should be pretty interesting
05:50:29  <jesusabdullah>yeah jcrugzz I'm pretty happy with how things are turning out
05:52:46  <jesusabdullah>okay today's thursday
05:52:55  <jesusabdullah>tomorrow I'll work a little and then start cleaning
05:52:57  <jesusabdullah>I guess
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05:53:29  <jesusabdullah>k guys out for a while o/
05:56:25  <substack>\o
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06:03:07  <st_luke>defunctzombie: here's your logo http://tx8.engine.flamingtext.com/netfu/tmp28000/coollogo_com-313552641.gif
06:03:16  <defunctzombie>wow
06:03:21  <defunctzombie>that is hot
06:03:26  <st_luke>I know
06:03:28  <st_luke>also there's fire
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06:04:58  <defunctzombie>yea
06:05:02  <defunctzombie>the fire really does it
06:06:19  <defunctzombie>gotta find a designer to do some logo work, want something fun
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06:07:29  <st_luke>I dont really have anyone to suggest that arent unreasonably priced
06:08:13  <st_luke>actually I dont know how much is reasonable
06:08:21  <st_luke>but we paid $2k for the empire logo(s) which seems like a lot
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06:23:31  <defunctzombie>st_luke: I got a suggestion on twitter
06:23:36  <defunctzombie>might also try 99 designs
06:23:53  <st_luke>defunctzombie: I almost used them once for something but it ended up being like $300
06:24:01  <st_luke>so I didn't complete the order, and now they spam me like crazy
06:24:51  <defunctzombie>haha
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09:05:31  <niftylettuce>anyone here have an EDU?
09:15:13  <jesusabdullah>I don't think I have one of those
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09:20:52  <niftylettuce>jesusabdullah: gracias tho :D
09:20:56  <niftylettuce>jesusabdullah: congrats on new job.
09:22:29  <jesusabdullah>hah thx
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09:59:06  <niftylettuce>anyone here want a brand new 15.4" MBP retina for ~$1500? niftylettuce@gmail.com
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11:29:02  <substack>defunctzombie_zz: testling@1.4.0 published, supports a testling.server field
11:29:22  <substack>I'm still having some keep-alive related problems with websocket fallbacks but it should mostly work
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12:42:41  <frankblizzard>hi i am working on html5 webapp for ipad. can it be that rendering performance is really poor on ipad for css3? i tried to remove border-radius, opacity, text- and box-shadows but some views still need 2-3 seconds to render when I profile them in mobile safari (in chrome desktop they render in 20-50ms)
12:43:06  <frankblizzard>any hints what I could check to improve?
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13:03:41  <juliangruber>ins0mnia: hey
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15:30:29  <kyledrake>What's the "safe restart" and forking HTTP server solution people are using for Node.js these days? I saw fugue, up, and node cluster.
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16:28:53  <defunctzombie>substack: I put everything behind nginx personally
16:29:22  <defunctzombie>locally I have a simple bouncy thing to test some stuff (like more involved multi server routing)
16:31:28  <defunctzombie>substack: how should I use the testling.server field?
16:31:36  <defunctzombie>checked the readme and didn't see anything there
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17:37:19  <substack>defunctzombie: "testling": { "server": "node test/server.js", "files": "test/browser.js", ... }
17:37:45  <substack>then your tests will be run at /__testling/ on the same domain as your server.js
17:38:01  <substack>defunctzombie: in your server.js just listen on parseInt(process.env.PORT)
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17:44:11  <gwenbell>evbogue: shoot from the hip
17:44:18  <evbogue>gwenbell: wrong channel
17:44:20  <gwenbell>evbogue: haha, not here though
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17:50:45  <vladikoff>jan____, i'm looking at your answer at http://stackoverflow.com/a/2422631 . However, now I get `undefined function couch_util:json_decode`, did this change ?
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20:35:11  <thlorenz>Domenic_: the only beef I have with it that SL acts as a proxy to open source modules claiming to provide 24hr support for it (they don't even have commit access most times)
20:35:30  <Domenic_>thlorenz: you don't need commit access to provide support...
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20:36:05  <thlorenz>Domenic_: I know, but I doubt that they can really fix problems faster than the author (or contributors) themselves
20:36:38  <jesusabdullah>when you're getting paid...
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20:36:39  <thlorenz>I mean issues and PRs work perfectly right now, we don't need someone to get in the middle and collect money for it
20:36:46  <jesusabdullah>we did that shit at nodjatso
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20:37:18  <jesusabdullah>like, some people can't make the leap between "this isn't working" and "oh there's a bug in package x I should talk to y about fixing it"
20:37:28  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: Domenic_ I love that they contribute, but don't claim to have some hand curated modules and that you can fix problems faster than the rest of the community
20:38:11  <Domenic_>thlorenz: are you kidding?! of course they can fix them faster than the people who maintain them. those people maintain them in their spare time!
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20:38:14  <thlorenz>jesusabdullah: exactly my point - they collect $ for hand holding people which leads to them never figureing it out
20:38:25  <thlorenz>Domenic_: and don't get paid --
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20:38:27  <jesusabdullah>some people don't want to figure it out
20:38:33  <Domenic_>exactly! you pay for support!!
20:38:44  <jesusabdullah>we're all fairly intelligent DIY hacker types
20:38:45  <thlorenz>so essentially they make money off other people's work who do it in their spare time
20:39:06  <Domenic_>thlorenz: not at all! being paid money for doing open source work O_o
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20:39:10  <jesusabdullah>If someone pays them to fix one of my libraries, as long as those changes come back I'm jazzed
20:39:10  <Domenic_>thlorenz: have you read https://medium.com/open-source-life/d44a1953749c ??
20:39:14  <Domenic_>i think it's pretty damn relevant
20:39:24  <thlorenz>Domenic_: it's fine, kinda like Microsoft getting in the middle of javascript, so people don't have to learn it for real
20:39:27  <Domenic_>honestly i think this is over the line disrespectful to people's work
20:39:31  <thlorenz>Domenic_: I have
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20:39:52  <Domenic_>i think i need to leave this conversation so i don't flip out
20:39:54  <Domenic_>be back
20:39:56  <jesusabdullah>man bird is really hyper today
20:41:07  <thlorenz>Domenic_: sorry didn't wanna piss anyone off - it has its place and I think it comes off more negative than it needs to :(
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20:42:45  <thlorenz>I guess if they found a way to have enterprises pay them so they can go and fix open source modules which benefits everyone, than that is a good thing!
20:43:39  <Domenic_>that's my point, yeah
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20:44:04  <Domenic_>fixing and supporting open source is worth money
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20:44:17  <thlorenz>Domenic_: ok, got it - didn't see it that way initially since I was in the role of the guy they are trying to sell support to
20:44:32  <Domenic_>thlorenz: heh, fair perspective
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20:45:15  <thlorenz>I mean we all fix and maintain all day in our spare time and it felt like they were trying to sell us this strong proxy to github
20:45:30  <thlorenz>and that could people from learning about the real source of things
20:46:29  <Domenic_>yeah you guys are probably not the target audience
20:46:48  <Domenic_>although i personally would try to figure out a way to get the higher-ups to pay for it, just to support their mission :P
20:47:08  <Domenic_>kind of like trying to get nodejitsu hosting instead of managing our own ec2 stuff, 'cuz i wanna support nodejitsu's stuff.
20:47:56  <thlorenz>Domenic_: we were talking about possible training
20:48:02  <thlorenz>i.e nodejs core
20:48:27  <thlorenz>Domenic_: but most likely we'll have Joyent come in for that as well ;)
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20:48:40  <Domenic_>thlorenz: lucky, haha. i wanna attend...
20:48:54  <thlorenz>Domenic_: we can probably arrange that ;)
20:49:09  <thlorenz>Domenic_: I hope you saw me "I came around" tweet ?
20:49:21  <Domenic_>thlorenz: yeah :)
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21:18:39  <juliangruber>`npm-clone`: Clone a node module(, install its dependencies (and run its tests)). https://github.com/juliangruber/npm-clone
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21:32:18  <mbalho>can anyone chime in on this issue? im not sure which side I fall on https://github.com/Rich-Harris/Ractive/issues/79#issuecomment-21611484
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22:47:37  <defunctzombie>mbalho: how do you like ractive?
22:47:52  <defunctzombie>so far it is my #1 in terms of features and simplicity I want to see from a dom/view lib
22:48:07  <defunctzombie>would like to know how to handle custom "elements" in it a bit more
22:48:09  <defunctzombie>and arrays
22:53:50  <jesusabdullah>oh, defunctzombie I'd totally do it but I'm starting a 9-5 in a week >_<
22:54:08  <defunctzombie>jesusabdullah: ah
22:54:14  <defunctzombie>no worries
23:06:35  <substack>defunctzombie: https://github.com/substack/shoe/blob/master/test/server.js
23:06:41  <substack>https://github.com/substack/shoe/blob/master/test/browser.js
23:06:44  <substack>https://github.com/substack/shoe/blob/master/package.json#L24
23:07:20  <substack>npm install -g testling@1.4.1
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23:32:16  <defunctzombie>substack: taking a look
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23:39:44  <substack>defunctzombie: and now in 1.5.0 `testling` will render its output to the document body too
23:39:52  <substack>when the browser opens up non-headlessly
23:39:55  <defunctzombie>fancy
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23:40:38  <substack>I'll document the pkg.testling.server options soon and then tweet about it
23:42:37  <defunctzombie>substack: mocha-bdd harness doesn't seem to work
23:42:45  <defunctzombie>I am trying to instrument a basic engine.io-client test
23:43:46  <substack>uh oh
23:44:00  <substack>I'll take a look.
23:44:14  <substack>so much nicer now that this part is factored out into a separate open source thing
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