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02:15:23  <Raynos>thl0: pong
02:15:35  <thl0>just nstarting promfig as we speak
02:15:45  <Raynos>nice :)
02:15:54  <Raynos>im going to have dinner soon
02:15:57  <thl0>Raynos: so I'm taking care of that and you can focus on the other stuff
02:16:02  <Raynos>sweet :D
02:16:06  <thl0>cool - I'll be in the air soon ;)
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02:52:02  <dools>eom 3
02:52:08  <dools>haha busted
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05:12:16  <Raynos>substack: https://github.com/substack/camelize/pull/2
05:12:19  <Raynos>can you merge that?
05:16:20  <substack>what does it do?
05:21:57  <Raynos>substack: currently camelize({ key: value }) works
05:22:03  <Raynos>and camelize("foo-bar") fails
05:22:08  <Raynos>that PR just makes the string usecase work
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05:30:36  <jlord>mbalho: i like it! i guess opend.at actually looks confusing
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05:42:25  <substack>Raynos: done
05:42:33  <Raynos>substack: thanks :)
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16:30:54  <defunctzombie>substack: quick question about fleet and deploy
16:31:03  <defunctzombie>substack: since it clones to a new dir everytime
16:31:08  <defunctzombie>how do I clean up old commits?
16:32:18  <pkrumins>use ploy
16:32:31  <pkrumins>fleet didn't work well in production
16:33:05  <defunctzombie>substack: ^ (maybe update the fleet description/readme?)
16:33:25  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: what if I don't want to do hosted subdomains stuff?
16:33:34  <defunctzombie>I just want to push git repos around and then run a spawn command
16:33:37  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: what about it didn't work?
16:34:24  <defunctzombie>I am less interested in the ploy features as I am in propagit and fleet
16:41:43  <pkrumins>it was leaking a lot of memory when we tried it for testling
16:44:16  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: hm
16:44:38  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: substack didn't track down the memory issues?
16:44:46  <defunctzombie>propagit sounds like a cool idea
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16:45:08  <pkrumins>no we didn't track down the memory issues
16:45:53  <defunctzombie>:(
16:46:01  <defunctzombie>do you remember if they were in propagit or fleet?
16:46:29  <defunctzombie>maybe I will make something thin on propagit and see if I can't take a stab at it
16:46:51  <defunctzombie>pkrumins: how are you guys doing multiserver deployment now? ploy?
16:47:21  <defunctzombie>my issue is that I have disjoint repos
16:47:31  <defunctzombie>that I would want to get spread across boxes
16:47:35  <substack>propagit is really huge
16:47:42  <pkrumins>we're moving to ploy currently
16:47:51  <pkrumins>we moved testling to ploy but now we're moving windows instances to ploy
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16:48:38  <defunctzombie>hm
16:48:45  <defunctzombie>I don't need all the stuff in ploy :/
16:49:04  <substack>you can build your own version
16:49:11  <substack>just use pushover directly
16:50:00  <defunctzombie>substack: you recommend pushover over propagit?
16:50:14  <defunctzombie>seems like propagit would be built on top of pushover
16:50:41  <defunctzombie>I like the idea of having something distribute the git repos
16:50:49  <substack>pushover is garbage
16:50:56  <defunctzombie>sadness
16:51:05  <defunctzombie>why is it garbage?
16:51:11  <substack>sorry, propagit
16:51:16  <defunctzombie>oh
16:51:22  <substack>I couldn't see what I was typing, the internet has been really unreliable
16:51:36  <defunctzombie>haha
16:51:48  <defunctzombie>ok, so I should rebirth propagit on pushover
16:52:12  <defunctzombie>wasn't creationix working on some git libs?
16:52:21  <defunctzombie>wonder if he has anything new and interesting to test out
16:52:26  <defunctzombie>substack: how does pushover do auth?
16:52:37  <mbalho>him and chrisdickinson were hacking together yesterday
16:52:53  <defunctzombie>oooo
16:53:04  <defunctzombie>substack: I see auth: true stuff, but what does that mean?
16:53:16  <defunctzombie>oh, nvm, misread that
16:53:32  <defunctzombie>yea, no idea how it does auth
16:53:34  <defunctzombie>huh
16:53:47  <defunctzombie>mbalho: have you followed what they are working on?
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17:18:34  <defunctzombie>substack: for pushover git-receive-pack stuff, how the hell does git send http auth stuff?
17:18:59  <defunctzombie>ht git http-backend supports it, but even when I use git push http://user:pass@localhost
17:19:04  <defunctzombie>the headers don't seem to get sent
17:23:56  <substack>they're sent only when the server responds with a 401 and www-authenticate: basic
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17:25:36  <defunctzombie>substack: thank you! (live saver)
17:25:39  <defunctzombie>*life
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17:46:22  <defunctzombie>substack: what would you recommend to do the "fetch/pull" side of things from pushover?
17:46:36  <defunctzombie>substack: wrap git shell commands or do you have some module?
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18:06:44  <chrisdickinson>hah, sorry for wandering off after the bus guys! i was infinite dehydrated.
18:06:57  <chrisdickinson>but it was great to see everyone in person!
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18:27:52  <jesusabdullah>hehehe
18:29:17  <jcrugzz>chrisdickinson: I am unsure if we ended up meeting eachother while there but I concur! nodeconf was a hell of a time
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18:41:00  <thl0>jcrugzz: ditto that
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18:54:59  <defunctzombie>Raynos: have a module for newline delimited json protocols?
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18:56:45  <jcrugzz>defunctzombie: mmalecki does https://github.com/mmalecki/json-stream
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18:57:46  <anvaka>Hi guys.. I wanted to ask your feedback. I wrote a little to tool to find related projects on GitHub, based on number of project's stargazers it finds what can be related. E.g. here is for substack's browserify: http://www.yasiv.com/github/#/costars?q=substack%2Fnode-browserify
18:58:15  <defunctzombie>jcrugzz: meh, there are already newline streams, I guess I will just have something that uses split and then JSON parses it
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19:00:50  <jcrugzz>word
19:01:58  <jesusabdullah>anvaka: please tell me it's named "costars"
19:03:06  <anvaka>uhm, I call this metric calculation costars :).. It's gazer on github: https://github.com/anvaka/gazer
19:04:11  <anvaka>jesusabdullah: is this a bad name :)?
19:04:50  <jesusabdullah>not particularly
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19:24:11  <thl0>Raynos: https://npmjs.org/package/promfig
19:24:16  <thl0>there ya go
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20:02:46  <st_luke>promise-config
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20:04:48  <__Raynos>defunctzombie: stream-serializer
20:04:53  <__Raynos>I believe that uses new line seperated JSON
20:05:00  <__Raynos>thlorenz: sweet!
20:05:15  <__Raynos>thlorenz: I started on the create flow ( https://github.com/Raynos/nstart/blob/master/create.js )
20:07:07  <defunctzombie>does through work in node 0.10 ?
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20:08:14  <jcrugzz>defunctzombie: yea, i havent seen any issues
20:08:17  <defunctzombie>k
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20:29:50  <defunctzombie>substack: so when I try to "fetch" right after a push to pushover
20:29:58  <defunctzombie>it keeps saying I have cloned an empty repository
20:30:10  <defunctzombie>I wait for the "push.on('end')" before I try to fetch
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20:40:39  <jesusabdullah>substack: Had an interview with a walmartlabs guy
20:40:57  <jesusabdullah>substack: ended up giving him a lecture on how he needs to write open source especially if he wants to foster open source culture at wml
20:45:48  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: whod you talk to?
20:46:47  <jcrugzz>cause https://github.com/spumko is most of their open source shit
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21:00:35  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: naw, this guy's personal github
21:00:56  <jcrugzz>ah ok
21:01:18  <jcrugzz>i met some of the dudes at nodeconf
21:03:41  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: did you get the job
21:05:54  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: idk
21:05:59  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: now they want to send me code puzzles
21:06:04  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: did I tell you about the Provo gig?
21:06:15  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: Yeah, Eran and I had a reasonably good rappore
21:06:44  <jcrugzz>sweet, he's an entertaining dude
21:06:53  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: some company that I interviewed for sent me a thing to do to prove that im not a liar and know how to program. its really easy but its been 3 weeks now and I havent done it, so I guess that means i dont really want that job
21:07:46  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: I feel that
21:08:20  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: but yeah, interviewing for a job, the guys seem really chill and all, but I'd have to move to Provo, which is, well, something I never really considered
21:08:28  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: I see myself as a stereotypical west coastie
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21:10:58  <sorensen>substack: great stream session, did you end up getting sick at the end of the weekend?
21:13:38  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: dont ever move somewhere for a job if you have doubts like that
21:13:53  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: I ain't moving there until I visit and see that it's cool
21:14:06  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: if I go there and hang out and I'm still like "I dunno..." then clearly it's not for me
21:15:18  <st_luke>also especially not if youre an introvert
21:15:22  <mbalho>wtf is spumko
21:16:02  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: it's walmart's web framework thing, it's what they call hapi + friends
21:16:18  <mbalho>i meant etymylogically
21:16:29  <mbalho>err etymologically
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21:16:52  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: i moved to houston once to work for the competitor of a company i didnt like and that was a terrible idea
21:16:53  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: well, in Ren and Stimpy the company that makes "log", their "acme" if you will, is called "blammo"
21:17:09  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: so it's a nonsense name for a "blammo-like" company
21:18:27  <mbalho>ah
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21:20:17  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: Yeah for sure, I mean, I'm getting the feeling walmart has some enterprise baggage (surprise?) but in terms of location I know exactly what I'm getting into there
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21:21:13  <st_luke>walmart probably pays pretty well
21:21:18  <jesusabdullah>yeah they do
21:21:21  <chapel>:D
21:21:34  <chapel>I don't work with eran, or on eran's team
21:21:52  <jesusabdullah>I think I'd end up working with Anit, the guy without any open source that I gave a lecture to
21:22:01  <jesusabdullah>need to light a fire under that guy
21:22:03  <chapel>jesusabdullah: hmm, know his full name?
21:22:16  <chapel>I think most of my coworkers don't do open source
21:22:22  <jesusabdullah>"between work and home I don't have any time" he said
21:22:37  <jesusabdullah>and that can't be true, I worked massive OT for nodejitsu and still pushed out my personal projects on the side
21:22:41  <jesusabdullah>kids maybe
21:22:43  <jesusabdullah>I guess that's fair
21:22:52  <jesusabdullah>chapel: yeah, and we need to fix that
21:22:56  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: its not OT if you're salary
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21:22:59  <jesusabdullah>chapel: open source culture starts at home
21:23:06  <chapel>jesusabdullah: not everyone enjoys programming that much to make it a hobby on the side of their job
21:23:16  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: some people have families
21:23:38  <jesusabdullah>I'm not asking people to push out gobs and gobs, like, just little things, trinkets and baubles are enough
21:23:41  <chapel>I know my gf doesn't enjoy me spending all my time on the computer, be it for work or personal projects or just dinking around
21:23:53  <jesusabdullah>good thing I'm single ^____^
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21:24:22  <st_luke>yeah good thing
21:24:30  <chapel>jesusabdullah: she knows I enjoy programming, so much so that I like working on personal projects outside of work, so she doesn't mind as long as I don't do only that
21:24:35  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: open source culture isnt about making people feel obligated to do it
21:24:42  <chapel>st_luke: yeah
21:24:51  <chapel>if you don't enjoy doing it, then you shouldn't
21:25:07  <chapel>but people work jobs they don't enjoy, very few get to do what they enjoy and get paid
21:25:20  <st_luke>I dont enjoy computers very much at all but I enjoy learning and sharing and helping other people learn
21:25:43  <jesusabdullah>man I think you guys think I was like, harsh or something. I don't think someone's a bad person for not publishing open source code
21:26:01  <jesusabdullah>I was trying to be encouraging, I just kinda realized I accidentally a lecture afterwards
21:26:21  <chapel>jesusabdullah: I think its good to be fervent about stuff like that, but open source definitely isn't for everyone
21:26:23  <chapel>:)
21:26:36  <jesusabdullah>I mean, software isn't for everyone XD
21:27:19  <chapel>jesusabdullah: thats for sure, but still a lot of people do it even if it isn't their passion :P
21:28:40  <jesusabdullah>I want to work with passionate people. :(
21:28:56  <st_luke>isaacs: I tried to draw your cat looking at you on your birthday but it came out looking like some sort of wild animal https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOEj4FCCUAAaUVb.jpg:large
21:29:21  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: naw it's almost substackian in nature :D
21:29:54  <chapel>jesusabdullah: well if you can get on eran's team, that seems like a super passionate oss team
21:30:00  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: oh I made a logo for a sekrit project, will show it to you though cause it's AWESOME http://i.imgur.com/QEZkDnQ.png
21:30:16  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: thats pretty cool
21:30:24  <jesusabdullah>dangit Anit send me those coad puzzles already
21:31:00  <st_luke>the first one is fizz buzz
21:31:03  <st_luke>the second is binary search
21:31:17  <st_luke>the third is disjoint data sets
21:31:50  <jesusabdullah>yeah probably
21:31:56  <jesusabdullah>I can do fizzbuzz in my sleep
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21:53:14  <chapel>I would be disappointed if they were that simple
21:53:23  <chapel>though I didn't do any code puzzles
21:53:33  <chapel>just two technical phone screens
21:53:41  <chapel>then on site interview
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22:00:46  <jcrugzz>code puzzles are a lame hiring process
22:00:58  <jcrugzz>just arbitrary algorithms and shit, who cares
22:01:19  <jcrugzz>context relevant things are more interesting
22:01:30  <mikolalysenko>I like algorithms...
22:01:47  <jcrugzz>mikolalysenko: ones that have context ;)
22:01:53  <mikolalysenko>to some level I think asking about algorithms can be relevant, providing they are things that you are going to use
22:01:55  <jcrugzz>you use them for a purpose
22:02:00  <calvinfo>it does mystify me that a company would give them to someone with a well-established github as a screener
22:02:30  <mikolalysenko>for example, if I was interviewing for a graphics job I'd expect people to ask me about stuff like clipping, rasterization, de Boor's algorithm, etc.
22:02:37  <jcrugzz>cause yea if its something relevant, thats fine.
22:02:50  <jcrugzz>but github is the best hiring tool
22:02:51  <mikolalysenko>but probably would be a little weirded out if they started asking about parsing/context free grammars/etc.
22:04:37  <jcrugzz>i guess im biased though cause thats how i was hired (https://blog.nodejitsu.com/jarrett-cruger-is-a-jitsuka-)
22:05:38  <calvinfo>jcrugzz: I'd agree that it's the best 'source of truth'
22:05:42  <calvinfo>though we are just starting to hire
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22:16:22  <jcrugzz>calvinfo: where is it that you work?
22:16:51  <calvinfo>jcrugzz: segment.io
22:18:41  <st_luke>jcrugzz: ur guys text rendering is messed up on your blog in chrome
22:19:17  <st_luke>if you set optimizeLegibility or geometricPrecision it fixes it
22:19:51  <jcrugzz>st_luke: word, thanks. The current generator for the blog is kind of terrible (older version)
22:20:13  <jcrugzz>calvinfo: and sweet
22:20:25  <st_luke>its just css
22:20:42  <jcrugzz>yea ill see where i can tweak that
22:20:57  <jcrugzz>(terrible at front end things)
22:20:58  <calvinfo>jcrugzz: thanks, we're still pretty small though so far :P
22:21:18  <jcrugzz>calvinfo: you guys bootstrap yourselves essentially?
22:21:51  <calvinfo>jcrugzz: no, we took a seed round for a different idea, had sort of a weird history
22:22:02  <calvinfo>jcrugzz: basically been four devs in an apartment for 2 years
22:22:09  <calvinfo>until we found something which started working
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22:22:44  <jcrugzz>i like the resillience
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23:02:15  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: it's still using blacksmith v1?
23:02:26  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: yeah, I wrote that when I was still learning how to write software >_<
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23:03:23  <jcrugzz>yea thats one of those pieces of technical debt that needs to be taken careof. Its blocked by plates currently.
23:03:48  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: and it happens haha
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23:08:21  <jesusabdullah>ugh pl8s
23:08:25  <jesusabdullah>not huge on pl8s either
23:08:29  <jesusabdullah>oh yeah, that's the other thing
23:08:35  <jesusabdullah>*shudder* weld *shudder*
23:10:01  <jesusabdullah>man what am I gonna do today?
23:10:25  <jesusabdullah>I decided refactoring browserify-cdn into multiple components is a mistake
23:10:34  <jesusabdullah>no reason to do it except that nodejitsu can't handle it
23:10:43  <jesusabdullah>and if I have to host the meat/potatoes off-site, what's the point?
23:11:21  <jesusabdullah>I could do the site design for it
23:11:44  <jesusabdullah>substack: browserify web site has same license as browserify? Thinking about stealing the site design and modifying it for browserify-cdn
23:11:57  <jesusabdullah>substack: I know you're one for permissiveness, just like to ask first y'know?
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23:15:15  <jesusabdullah>hmm, I wonder if using http://www.coralcdn.org/ is a good idea
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23:15:35  <jcrugzz>jesusabdullah: what makes it unhostable on nodejitsu out of curiosity?
23:16:14  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: I need to do npm builds, it enomems the shit out of the baby boxes
23:16:24  <jcrugzz>ah yes
23:16:27  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: It would work with a business plan, no money right now though
23:16:30  <jcrugzz>that makes sense
23:16:45  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: but because of leveldb it's already a hack to deploy to nodejitsu
23:16:49  <jesusabdullah>jcrugzz: the url is sick though
23:16:56  <jcrugzz>once haibu is dead id try it again for kicks
23:17:08  <jesusabdullah>yeah not a bad idea, npm is huge on mem usage though
23:17:14  <jesusabdullah>gimme a heads-up once that happens
23:17:19  <mikolalysenko>jesusabdullah: as a business plan you could put advertisements in bundles...
23:17:20  <jcrugzz>will do
23:17:28  <mikolalysenko>:P
23:17:29  <jcrugzz>lol
23:18:32  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: hahaha
23:18:33  <mikolalysenko>maybe have it do: alert("PLZ SEND MONEYS") at the start of each bundle
23:18:43  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: been thinking about doing streaming logs in a /* block
23:18:50  <jesusabdullah>/*
23:18:57  <jesusabdullah> * Checking for bundle...
23:19:03  <jesusabdullah> * Browserifying...
23:19:05  <jesusabdullah> * Done!
23:19:06  <jesusabdullah> */
23:19:15  <mikolalysenko>that would be pretty sweet
23:19:22  <jesusabdullah>mikolalysenko: /* This bundle brought to you by POWDERMILK BISCUITS */
23:22:01  <jesusabdullah>I should get sub to let me use cdn.browserify.org >:)
23:22:44  <jesusabdullah>y'know, after it works and is up and chugging along n' stuff
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23:23:14  <mikolalysenko>maybe you could make it less automatic...
23:23:28  <mikolalysenko>like if you had to require users to visit a page so you could get some ad impressions
23:23:39  <mikolalysenko>for example, to build their bundle they would have to tick some boxes or whatever
23:23:45  <jesusabdullah>nah, it'll be cheap to host
23:23:46  <mikolalysenko>just to get their eyeballs on the screen
23:23:50  <jesusabdullah>I just don't have steady paychecks
23:23:54  <jesusabdullah>I'll ask for donations
23:23:57  <jesusabdullah>oh also coral's free
23:24:00  <jesusabdullah>so :)
23:24:01  <mikolalysenko>ok, that is simple enough
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23:44:04  <jesusabdullah>http://browserify.jit.su.nyud.net/ and here's the cdn ;)
23:44:09  <jesusabdullah>except no worky of course
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23:46:03  <jcrugzz>awesome
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23:48:43  <anvaka>jesusabdullah: I'm sorry, I'm new to this chat and node, but what is the intended use for browserify cdn?
23:49:17  <anvaka>I understand how browserify works, just trying to understand the puprose of CDN for it :)...
23:49:31  <jesusabdullah>anvaka: You can inline standalone bundles in your web page so you don't have to run anything
23:49:55  <jesusabdullah>anvaka: alternately, you can also use it to do prototyping in a web editor (that's the primary use case for multibundles)
23:50:12  <mbalho>thanks for /multi btw
23:50:16  <anvaka>jesusabdullah: I like the editor test case
23:50:23  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: no prob, please let me know if/when you use this
23:50:33  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: and any advice you have for the general structure of the thing
23:50:42  <mbalho>i like it so far
23:50:45  <jesusabdullah>y'know, I should do gittip for browserify-cdn
23:50:49  <jesusabdullah>now that I think about it
23:50:56  <anvaka>:)
23:50:57  <jesusabdullah>just to help with server costs, not to pay me or anything
23:51:15  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: good deal, also keep me in the loop re: anything you build on it
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23:52:20  <anvaka>I thought about javascript CDNs in general, they seem to be scary - like an ultimate dependency. If it fails then my site fails too. Is this a problem?
23:52:32  <mbalho>jesusabdullah: im gonna try and hook it up to creator.voxeljs.com
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23:54:49  <anvaka>mbalho: something wrong with scrollbars in the editor
23:55:41  <mbalho>anvaka: code is here https://github.com/maxogden/javascript-editor
23:56:14  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: word
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23:56:39  <jesusabdullah>anvaka: I mean, only kind of. Most CDNs are for-money and have ridiculously high uptime
23:56:52  <jesusabdullah>anvaka: coral, idk about. It's free and universities volunteer the proxies
23:57:00  <jcrugzz>which is kinda cool
23:57:13  <mbalho>jesusabdullah: also im gonna put browserify-cdn on https://github.com/ryanj/nodejs-custom-version-openshift#nodejs-on-openshift
23:57:15  <anvaka>nice
23:57:39  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: one sec, looking
23:57:51  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: would you be interested in having that be the "official home" ?
23:57:57  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: or only for voxeljs?
23:58:00  <mbalho>jesusabdullah: its free
23:58:23  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: oh, no shit? niiice
23:58:31  <mbalho>jesusabdullah: yep follow the readme
23:58:42  <jesusabdullah>mbalho: lemme know how npm behaves on that, nodejitsu's machines are too small to handle the memory loads
23:59:36  <mbalho>jesusabdullah: its 512mb