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| <owen1> | i always get confused and i think as a community leaders you guys should decide. what is a module and what is a package |
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| <owen1> | i also like to think of package as npm package |
| 00:03:15
| <owen1> | and module as commonJS module |
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| <owen1> | commond vocabulary is nice sometimes |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: there are modules, packages, and files? |
| 00:04:48
| <dominictarr> | a package is not necessarily a module though, or a file |
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| <owen1> | especialy when working on a team, it is really valuable. |
| 00:05:00
| <dominictarr> | only the right type of thing is a modules |
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| <owen1> | on every node.js file i have the following sections: # core modules # npm packages # my modules |
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| <owen1> | in that order |
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| <rch> | owen1: you mean in the order of your requires right |
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| <owen1> | yeah. after the first comment my core module will be required etc |
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| <owen1> | since i am the first one at my company to write node, i feel obligated to be organized as much as i can |
| 00:18:21
| <owen1> | so i also try to come up with vocabulary - what is a module and what is a package, etc |
| 00:18:34
| <owen1> | and i don't think there is an agreement about that. |
| 00:19:22
| <rch> | i think it's clear when something is a commonjs module and when something is an npm package |
| 00:19:35
| <rch> | sometimes one thing is both (module + package.json) |
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| <rch> | words have lots of meanings though |
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| <niftylettuce> | i started a blog http://niftylettuce.com/ |
| 00:58:33
| <jesusabdullah> | lemme know when you post that one to hater news niftylettuce I'll upboat for sure |
| 00:58:43
| <niftylettuce> | jesusabdullah: awesome |
| 00:58:44
| <niftylettuce> | will do |
| 00:58:49
| <niftylettuce> | tomorrow im going to |
| 00:59:07
| <niftylettuce> | made it responsive for mobile/tablets :) |
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| <jesusabdullah> | coolio |
| 01:02:07
| <owen1> | I watched a video by TJ where he modularize a website into multiple express apps: var login = require('./lib/login'); var signup = require('./lib/signup'); app.use(signup); app.use(login); app.listen(3000). what do u think about this approach and how can we do that without express? |
| 01:02:33
| <owen1> | I sometimes think we should create an http server and pass our different usecases (features?) into it. that way our logic can live on it's own without the 'delivery mechanism'. that's the video - http://vimeo.com/56166857 and here is the code - https://github.com/vinitcool76/node-modular-demo |
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| <substack> | owen1: I don't think the labels matter very much |
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| <owen1> | what labels |
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| <substack> | module vs package |
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| <owen1> | oh, ok |
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| <jesusabdullah> | owen1: easy. Use connect. |
| 01:34:32
| <jesusabdullah> | owen1: or one of the many alternative middleware libs |
| 01:36:48
| <jesusabdullah> | ohey btw dudes, I'm looking for a job |
| 01:36:51
| <jesusabdullah> | if anyone has any leads |
| 01:36:53
| <jesusabdullah> | pass 'em my way |
| 01:37:12
| <jesusabdullah> | looking for something vaguely low-key that will pay my rent and not have me living paycheck to paycheck |
| 01:37:23
| <jesusabdullah> | obviously with node |
| 01:37:37
| <rch> | jesusabdullah: low key? like part time? |
| 01:37:41
| <jesusabdullah> | and remote, can't leave AK until like mid-July at the earliest |
| 01:37:51
| <jesusabdullah> | rch: naw, I can do full time |
| 01:38:17
| <jesusabdullah> | rch: my last gig was an early stage startup and I found it really stressful, I'd like something more stable |
| 01:38:20
| <jesusabdullah> | rch: that's all I mean |
| 01:39:21
| <rch> | jesusabdullah: so my team is vaguely hiring right now at rackspace sf (it was less vague but then we hired a lot), remote is possible but not a slam dunk, we let people interview for it though |
| 01:39:26
| <rch> | jesusabdullah: the product is cloud monitoring |
| 01:39:50
| <jesusabdullah> | I know rackspace sf, were you there when AvianFlu and I were hanging out there? |
| 01:39:59
| <jesusabdullah> | chill with the cloudkickers |
| 01:40:02
| <rch> | jesusabdullah: heh no idea, was it in the last 1.5 years? |
| 01:40:06
| <jesusabdullah> | yeah |
| 01:40:07
| <rch> | yeah i work with what was cloudkick |
| 01:40:09
| <rch> | yep i was there |
| 01:40:10
| <jesusabdullah> | last summer |
| 01:40:19
| <jesusabdullah> | I think? |
| 01:40:33
| <rch> | cool, no idea |
| 01:40:40
| <jesusabdullah> | the two nodejitsu guys borrowing desks and asking where Paul Querna was all the time |
| 01:40:47
| <jesusabdullah> | hung out with Lucy a few times |
| 01:40:47
| <rch> | heh |
| 01:40:52
| <rch> | wow ok you know my team |
| 01:41:16
| <jesusabdullah> | are you SURE we didn't meet? lol |
| 01:41:22
| <thl0> | is there a way to manage versions when installing from github? aside tags? |
| 01:41:24
| <rch> | nfi, could've |
| 01:41:32
| <jesusabdullah> | haha, small world man |
| 01:41:48
| <jesusabdullah> | well hey, you've piqued my interest |
| 01:42:27
| <jesusabdullah> | I gotta go get my scheduled social time in right now but, yeah, if there's someone I should talk to or somewhere I should send a resume, lemme know |
| 01:42:36
| <jesusabdullah> | also tell Lucy I said hey |
| 01:42:38
| <rch> | cool, yeah there's nothing on the site for this x.x |
| 01:42:45
| <rch> | link me to your github? and i'll see what i can do this week |
| 01:42:51
| <rch> | sure thing |
| 01:42:52
| <jesusabdullah> | https://github.com/jesusabdullah |
| 01:44:13
| <jesusabdullah> | obtw, come fall I might be willing to relocate, I liked SF and even though I like being home I know it's a good place for me to be |
| 01:44:37
| <rch> | oakland ;) |
| 01:44:42
| <jesusabdullah> | never again |
| 01:44:54
| <rch> | heh, uh oh |
| 01:44:55
| <jesusabdullah> | I lived with the stack in a shitty hood in West Oak when I was down there |
| 01:45:02
| <jesusabdullah> | off West MacArf |
| 01:45:04
| <jesusabdullah> | *shudder* |
| 01:45:50
| <jesusabdullah> | actually there are some parts of oakland I'd do |
| 01:45:53
| <rch> | um, this kills me: https://github.com/jesusabdullah/hoarders/blob/master/build.js |
| 01:46:00
| <rch> | yeah i live in north oakland |
| 01:46:20
| <jesusabdullah> | rch: http://jesusabdullah.github.io/2013/02/15/hoarders.html |
| 01:46:26
| <jesusabdullah> | Oh yeah, rockridge would be a lot better |
| 01:46:36
| <jesusabdullah> | temescal's alright too, the "other side of the tracks" so to speak |
| 01:46:45
| <jesusabdullah> | I wouldn't mind the Ashby area |
| 01:46:46
| <rch> | wow |
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| <substack> | rch: have you been to sudoroom? |
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| <rch> | substack: sure i haven't been hanging there lately but i'm a member |
| 01:53:14
| <rch> | matt and i used to do 'morning code' twice a week |
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| <substack> | oh sweet |
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| <rch> | C at 8am |
| 01:53:21
| <substack> | I'm there right now. |
| 01:53:26
| <rch> | anything happening? |
| 01:53:51
| <rch> | hey sorry you got mugged btw, saw that on the list |
| 01:53:56
| <substack> | there's going to be a movie showing for a 6 minute film roshambeau made for a 48 hour film contest |
| 01:54:04
| <rch> | huh |
| 01:54:15
| <substack> | and beer bottling later too |
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| <rch> | maybe i should motivate, hard when i'm so lazy |
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| <thl0> | so if a module is a core for only like two other modules and will not be useful anywhere else, should I publish this to npm? |
| 01:56:43
| <thl0> | the only reason is to get proper dependency management and versioning |
| 01:57:04
| <thl0> | i.e. using git tags I cannot do something like ~0.1.0 |
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| <thl0> | any opinions Raynos substack chrisdickinson isaacs? |
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| <owen1> | thl0: you can always just push it as a seperate repo and put the git url with #1.3.4 in package.json |
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| <thl0> | in my case it is https://npmjs.org/package/valuepack-core |
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| <thl0> | owen1: but it doesn't automatically get patches that way |
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| <thl0> | i.e. it's locked to that exact tag |
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| <thl0> | I cannot do #~0.1.0 for instance |
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| <owen1> | true, u'll have to manualy change the package.json on every place that uses it. |
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| <thl0> | owen1: what I'm trying to avoid, as I said I want proper versioning |
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| <thl0> | including automatic patches |
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| <rch> | thl0: imo don't worry about it unless you're sure it's going to be the absolute least useful thing on npm |
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| <owen1> | automatic = npm install, right? |
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| <thl0> | I just feel like it's weird to put this separately on npm just for that, i.e. it provides namespaces and config that are only useful for other valuepack modules |
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| <thl0> | owen1: what I'm after is automatic patches when I publish a new version the next time I install |
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| <thl0> | rch: ok, but I feel like it kinda litters the registry, I wish we could include some info that it shouldn't show up in a search for instance |
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| <owen1> | i guess u can try setting up internal npm repo? |
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| <thl0> | rch: for now I'll just remove all the keywords to limit the chance it shows up |
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| <thl0> | owen1: yes, but I want others to be able to install it |
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| <thl0> | rch: owen1: is this clear enough (see disclaimer) >? https://github.com/thlorenz/valuepack-core |
| 02:08:30
| <rch> | looks disclaimy |
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| <thl0> | :) |
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| <owen1> | thl0: yeah. i had the same dilemma on friday. i wrote a module that makes it easy for me to save into my mongodb. and it's used by two other apps (on github enterprise) |
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| <owen1> | i ended up using a git repo and not publishing it |
| 02:11:56
| <thl0> | owen1: I already was going down that route, but certainly don't wanna have to remember going thru all deps and updating the tag |
| 02:12:03
| <thl0> | so I reconsidered |
| 02:13:13
| <thl0> | It'd be nice to be able to get the same semvers goodness (including automatic patches) just based on github tags cc isaacs |
| 02:18:40
| <owen1> | true |
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| <Raynos> | THL0: i publish everything to npm |
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| <dlmanning> | Tangential question: should modules relying on the --harmony flag be published to npm? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | I mean |
| 02:32:34
| <jesusabdullah> | to what end? |
| 02:32:42
| <jesusabdullah> | imo yeah, sure why not |
| 02:32:53
| <jesusabdullah> | but I do have to wonder why you need the --harmony flag |
| 02:33:01
| <jesusabdullah> | BUT AT WHAT COST dlmanning |
| 02:33:03
| <jesusabdullah> | BUT AT WHAT COST |
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| <LOUDBOT> | WARNING WARNING APEIRON MELTDOWN IMMINENT SEEK SHELTER WARNING |
| 02:33:06
| <dlmanning> | lol |
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| <rch> | ok i'm entertained |
| 02:33:18
| <dlmanning> | I don't need it. |
| 02:33:20
| <jesusabdullah> | oh good |
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| <rch> | LOUDBOT: where's your source? |
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| <LOUDBOT> | rch: PRESENT DAY; PRESENT TIME! |
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| <rch> | i see |
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| <dlmanning> | I've just been playing around with ES6 features for a presentation |
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| <jesusabdullah> | neat |
| 02:34:44
| <jesusabdullah> | k back to trying to build nginx from sauce |
| 02:35:44
| <jesusabdullah> | hopefully it squares up all the init sgripts automagically |
| 02:35:51
| <jesusabdullah> | don't feel like writing my own init script |
| 02:36:16
| <jesusabdullah> | never did do nginx but it makes sense at this juncture! |
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| <substack> | dlmanning: you're just going to drastically reduce the hassle of using your module by making it require harmony |
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| <dlmanning> | reduce? |
| 02:51:23
| <substack> | *increase |
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| <dlmanning> | yeah |
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| <rch> | oh yeah that confused me too |
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| <dlmanning> | I'm not using harmony features because I think it's an awesome idea. I've got some concept ES6 modules and I was wondering if I should bother to put them on npm or just leave them on git |
| 02:53:52
| <dlmanning> | Seems like putting them on npm implies you think someone might want to use them in production |
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| <dlmanning> | Which I don't think would be a great idea |
| 02:54:36
| <dlmanning> | make that "production et al" |
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| <jesusabdullah> | dlmanning: use that tranxpiler thinger |
| 03:02:44
| <jesusabdullah> | also I say publish to npm, just fuckin' go for it |
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| <dlmanning> | haha |
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| <owen1> | Raynos: i was looking at process-dashboard and it really hard for me to understand what's going on there due to so many packages i am not familiar with. |
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| <owen1> | not giving up though (: |
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| <substack> | just today got the shell of an old arcade machine |
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| <Raynos> | owen1: you said process-dashboard was confusing |
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| <Raynos> | owen1: any modules in particular that are confusing |
| 17:24:24
| <owen1> | Raynos: let me see.. |
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| <owen1> | npm packages - routes-router, http-methods, node-env, require-fresh, serve-browserify, npm-less/serve |
| 17:28:15
| <owen1> | commonJS modules - module-loader |
| 17:28:55
| <owen1> | it will take me an hour to go to each repo, read their readme, probably i will not undersand them so i'll have to clone each one and play with them. |
| 17:29:21
| <owen1> | not saying i can't do that. just stating that from looking at this project i have no idea what it's doing. |
| 17:29:31
| <owen1> | there is 0 documentation, code samples, |
| 17:29:38
| <owen1> | etc. |
| 17:30:27
| <owen1> | so it will take an hour or two, that's all i am saying. |
| 17:31:15
| <owen1> | for example, i realize routes-router is your router, but i look at addRoute function and not sure what's going on there. |
| 17:31:44
| <owen1> | i am used to 'routes' and mapleTree and never used this routes library, so it require reading it's code. |
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| <Raynos> | owen1: thanks for that feedback |
| 18:32:11
| <owen1> | Raynos: np. i thought u'r going to tell me to RTFM. which i will (: |
| 18:32:23
| <Raynos> | owen1: any way to make it easier? |
| 18:32:51
| <Raynos> | maybe a page explaining each dependency |
| 18:32:59
| <Raynos> | although that might just be duplication of that dependencies README |
| 18:33:27
| <owen1> | at least 1 line next to some modules/functions. also what does the app do? |
| 18:33:47
| <owen1> | https://github.com/oren/node-website-template#folders-structure |
| 18:36:09
| <owen1> | for example - a dashboard for managing processes. what kind of dashboard? maybe a snapshot. what is the 'flow' of the app? |
| 18:36:48
| <owen1> | this app ssh into remote boxes and get some stats about the processes that running on them and uses web sockets to push this info to the browser. |
| 18:37:02
| <owen1> | as example |
| 18:37:43
| <owen1> | it uses the following modules - sock.js for streaming info back to the browser, mapleTree to route requests into functions, |
| 18:37:45
| <owen1> | etc |
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| <owen1> | also i see the browse folder and trying to guess what's going on there. i guess it's your way of creating client-side templates? i don't see any html so i guess u'r generating it from memory and return it to the client or something. |
| 18:42:32
| <owen1> | now i am really curious. i'll find time in the coming days to read and understand this project. |
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| <chapel> | jesusabdullah: ping |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: ping |
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| <isaacs> | Raynos: pong |
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| <Raynos> | isaacs: I'm thinking it would be nice if npm supported "browserDependencies" field. |
| 19:53:25
| <Raynos> | If it sees it all it does is merge it into the dependencies field |
| 19:53:28
| <isaacs> | Raynos: what would npm do with that? |
| 19:53:36
| <isaacs> | Raynos: that seems surprising |
| 19:53:43
| <Raynos> | that way you can take a project with 30 deps and split them into front and back end deps |
| 19:53:50
| <isaacs> | Raynos: right... |
| 19:53:52
| <Raynos> | so it's purely for managing the package.json |
| 19:53:56
| <isaacs> | Raynos: but they're all dependencies, right? |
| 19:54:05
| <Raynos> | yes / no |
| 19:54:14
| <Raynos> | yes. |
| 19:54:23
| <isaacs> | Raynos: i mean, they still get installed into node_modules, etc. |
| 19:54:32
| <Raynos> | it's just annoying to have one place to put them |
| 19:54:55
| <Raynos> | some of the dependencies would tank and die horribly if required from node |
| 19:55:37
| <Raynos> | isaacs: I don't know what the best way to handle this is, but I would have increased readability if I could split my dependencies hash into two one for front end and one for back end |
| 19:56:10
| <isaacs> | Raynos: "dependencies": { "my-browser-deps": "1.x" } and then in node_modules/my-browser-deps/ you depend on all your browser stuff, and index.js does module.exports = Object.keys(require('./package.json').dependencies).forEach(function (dep) { return [dep, require(dep)] }).reduce(function (set, dep) { set[dep[0]] = dep[1]; return set }, {}) |
| 19:56:31
| <isaacs> | Raynos: then jquery = require('my-browser-deps').jquery |
| 19:56:39
| <Raynos> | isaacs: but I want to require flatly in both front end and back end |
| 19:56:52
| <isaacs> | Raynos: what if there's a dep for both front and back end? |
| 19:56:57
| <Raynos> | isaacs: What I'm really asking for is a way to visually group sets of dependencies in a large package.json |
| 19:56:58
| <isaacs> | Raynos: it seems like unnecessary complexity to me. |
| 19:57:02
| <isaacs> | Raynos: right. |
| 19:57:08
| <isaacs> | have a smaller package.json :) |
| 19:57:18
| <Raynos> | some things are just complex |
| 19:57:23
| <isaacs> | i know |
| 19:57:34
| <isaacs> | but i'm saying, rather than having a single giant app, and a lot of tiny deps, have some mid-sized deps. |
| 19:57:36
| <Raynos> | one solution is to move all the frontend code into a seperate thing |
| 19:57:47
| <isaacs> | it's a org chart problem. you need some middle managemnet, it sounds like |
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| <Raynos> | i dont think there is a good solution to this that doesnt add complexity :( |
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| <mbalho> | jjjjohnnny: http://mohayonao.github.io/timbre.js/satie.html |
| 20:11:42
| <tmcw> | sooomebody follows me on twitter :) |
| 20:12:34
| <niftylettuce> | 'Does Pinterest own the word "pin"?' @ https://news.ycombinator.com/newest |
| 20:12:38
| <niftylettuce> | /cc jesusabdullah ^^ |
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| <niftylettuce> | poo it got flagged for some reason... probably HN admin trolls |
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| <niftylettuce> | we've got a rat in here |
| 20:41:48
| <niftylettuce> | inbound hit from http://logs.nodejs.org/stackvm/2013-06-03 |
| 20:42:05
| <niftylettuce> | knocked off front page perma |
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| <chapel> | I don't think it matters that much, hn is pretty lackluster as it is |
| 20:43:25
| <niftylettuce> | yeah |
| 20:43:39
| <niftylettuce> | the great pyramids |
| 20:44:12
| <chapel> | and as you know, yc can be scammy, for all we know someone might have it out for you |
| 20:44:38
| <niftylettuce> | i have confirmation that several do, with no reason why really, maybe jealousy is the issue |
| 20:45:13
| <niftylettuce> | anyways, thanks for anyone that upvoted |
| 20:45:29
| * chapel | would just ignore them and do impressive stuff (not that *I* do impressive stuff) in spite of them |
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| <juliangruber> | dominictarr: why did you change the api of rpc-stream to be fn([arg1, arg2], cb) instead of fn(arg1, arg2, cb)? |
| 21:25:53
| <dominictarr> | because otherwise I just had [].slice.call(arguments) in more places |
| 21:26:18
| <juliangruber> | but the api isn't javascripty anymore now |
| 21:27:46
| <juliangruber> | i just added all that's necessary for rpc-stream to handle errors nicely, but also moved the api to the form fn(arg1, arg2, cb) because I thought that was a bug |
| 21:27:51
| <juliangruber> | are you cool with making breaking changes (again) or should I port this over to the current api? |
| 21:28:38
| <dominictarr> | hmm, let me have a look |
| 21:28:42
| <dominictarr> | your fork? |
| 21:29:56
| <juliangruber> | i'll push to a branch |
| 21:30:15
| <dominictarr> | oh, now I remember |
| 21:30:32
| <dominictarr> | because [].slice.call(arguments) is quite slow |
| 21:30:57
| <juliangruber> | pushed, to the "error" branch |
| 21:30:57
| <juliangruber> | ok |
| 21:31:01
| <dominictarr> | and the args comes out of the protocol as an arrary |
| 21:31:01
| <juliangruber> | then I'll revert to the old api |
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| <juliangruber> | should it be (err, args) or (args) when you receive a rpc result? |
| 21:36:12
| <dominictarr> | the result is still normal |
| 21:36:22
| <dominictarr> | (err, args,...) |
| 21:36:44
| <dominictarr> | (err, arg1, arg2, arg3, etc) |
| 21:37:48
| <juliangruber> | updated the error branch |
| 21:37:55
| <juliangruber> | old tests are practically untouched |
| 21:38:06
| <juliangruber> | except that some have assertions instead of console.logs now |
| 21:40:06
| <dominictarr> | great! |
| 21:40:07
| <juliangruber> | if that looks good to you i'll merge over to master or you can do that and publish -> multilevel will have sweet error objects |
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| <jjjjohnnny> | 2did angbody else read the assange piece in the NYT |
| 21:57:11
| <xyxne> | the one where they focus on his personal life as though it has any relevance to his career in jurnalism? |
| 21:57:15
| <xyxne> | journalism* |
| 21:57:29
| <jjjjohnnny> | his review of Eric Schmidt's book |
| 21:57:39
| <jjjjohnnny> | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/opinion/sunday/the-banality-of-googles-dont-be-evil.html?_r=0 |
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| <xyxne> | hah, interesting |
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| <xyxne> | considering their past I'm surprised they published it |
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| <jez0990> | jjjjohnnny: +1, I'm amazed Assange resisted the urge to confront Schmidt on this theme when they met |
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| <dominictarr> | jjjjohnnny: yeah, I saw that |
| 22:25:57
| <dominictarr> | did you see the transcript of the interview between assange and schmidt? |
| 22:27:23
| <dominictarr> | jez0990: in that transcript, they seemed to be getting along well |
| 22:27:33
| <dominictarr> | even agreeing on a lot |
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| <dominictarr> | juliangruber: merged into rpc-stream@1.0.3 |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: will I also be able to require('tacodb')(function (db) {})? |
| 22:29:55
| <dominictarr> | sure, I can add that |
| 22:30:08
| <substack> | nice |
| 22:30:28
| <dominictarr> | substack: so, currently it wraps it in a http server + shoe |
| 22:31:07
| <dominictarr> | the intension being to run it as a hosted service |
| 22:31:09
| <substack> | var server = tacodb(opts, fn); server.listen(8000) would be a nice api I think |
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| <substack> | yep sounds good |
| 22:31:33
| <dominictarr> | right, yes that is straightforward |
| 22:31:55
| <substack> | the module.exports way is a little odd |
| 22:33:00
| <dominictarr> | that is so you can bundle it all and pass it to a server |
| 22:33:26
| <dominictarr> | but, I guess it could just use require('tacodb') in the right way... |
| 22:33:36
| <substack> | level-static is browserifiable? |
| 22:33:43
| <dominictarr> | yes |
| 22:34:01
| <dominictarr> | that just serves values from level as files |
| 22:34:20
| <dominictarr> | with mime types based on their extensions |
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| <substack> | still not sure how browserify fits in |
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| <jjjjohnnny> | dominictarr: when did they meet? |
| 22:39:59
| <dominictarr> | jjjjohnnny: when eric was researching that book |
| 22:40:24
| <dominictarr> | they met in the equdorian embassy, i think |
| 22:40:57
| <dominictarr> | http://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt.html |
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| <jjjjohnnny> | dominictarr: you ever hear of this test for a crypto/anonymous network where people gamble on the details of a public figure's assasination? |
| 22:50:08
| <dominictarr> | yes |
| 22:50:35
| <dominictarr> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunks |
| 22:51:26
| <dominictarr> | I first heard about it there |
| 22:51:53
| <dominictarr> | it's just a prediction market, essentially |
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| <dominictarr> | but not a very nice one |
| 22:53:24
| <jjjjohnnny> | its a pretty interesting thing |
| 22:54:41
| <jjjjohnnny> | i dont know we are talking about the same thing tho |
| 22:55:06
| <jjjjohnnny> | as i understand it, the gamblers are not really gambling, they are just throwing their money in the pot |
| 22:55:22
| <jjjjohnnny> | i guess until the money becomes serious |
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| <jjjjohnnny> | it would be used on celebrities first, and then would work effectly as a deterrent |
| 22:57:25
| <jjjjohnnny> | for any menace to society |
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| <dominictarr> | substack: when running as a service, I browserify tacodb and run it inside a node vm… which will probably also work for webworkers |
| 22:58:51
| <dominictarr> | jjjjohnnny: but this is not actually a good thing, since a small portion of people have most of the money |
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| <dominictarr> | so it wouldn't be menaces to society, it would be menaces to wealth |
| 23:00:50
| <jjjjohnnny> | dominictarr: the bottom line is a risk level to the assassin |
| 23:03:27
| <jjjjohnnny> | and a certain amount of public notieriety is probably essential to the system working |
| 23:04:47
| <jjjjohnnny> | for concensus |
| 23:06:38
| <jjjjohnnny> | verify the quary |
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| <jjjjohnnny> | but you are right. Julian Assange would probably be murdered already. |
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| <jesusabdullah> | did somebody say my name??? |
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| <st_luke> | mbalho: congrats, that's really cool |
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| <st_luke> | the layout is awesome also |
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| <jesusabdullah> | how's erryone doin' this afternoon? |
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| <jesusabdullah> | mbalho: I went to a CfA shindig up here, they mentioned your Boston trucks tracking project |
| 23:44:39
| <jesusabdullah> | mbalho: "...oh yeah I remember that dataset!" |
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| <jcrugzz> | anyone have experience using browserify with d3? it fails as it tries to browserify jsdom which does not seem ideal |
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| <jesusabdullah> | lol |
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| <jcrugzz> | but im sure there is a way to exclude that dependency |