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02:03:56  <rvagg>mbalho: 265ppi e-ink reader, but can it run Node? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/kobo-crams-1-5-million-pixels-into-its-6-8-aura-hd-e-reader/
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04:27:53  <substack>https://github.com/substack/ploy#services
04:28:01  <substack>now you can use ploy to manage non-http services
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08:41:19  <juliangruber>can you guys reach https://npmjs.org/ ?
08:41:49  <juliangruber>http://npmjs.org returns the 301 moved notice, https:/npmjs.org doesn't answer
08:41:53  <juliangruber>isaacs: ^^
08:42:16  <jez0990>juliangruber: nope!
08:42:25  <juliangruber>jez0990: bummer!
08:43:14  <juliangruber>I get an ssl error on https://registry.npmjs.org
08:44:10  <jez0990>same, it did eventually get a response from couch though
08:45:22  <juliangruber>me too
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09:42:44  <jez0990>juliangruber: works again now (in case you were waiting!)
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17:47:15  <mbalho>chrisdickinson: you should write a post like this http://stefan.saasen.me/articles/git-clone-in-haskell-from-the-bottom-up/
17:50:23  <st_luke>love those diagrams
17:51:35  <chrisdickinson>mbalho: oo yeah
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18:22:04  <jez0990>are there any tips for debugging with esprima? I'm attempting recursion with substack/scoper and it's getting the better of me :/
18:23:44  <jez0990>thl0: just realised I can use scriptie-talkie to help
18:24:28  <dominictarr>jez0990: hey, check this out
18:24:38  <jez0990>thl0: would be super sweet if it labelled the columns too!
18:24:41  <dominictarr>https://github.com/dominictarr/pull-fs
18:24:47  <jez0990>dominictarr: hey
18:25:00  <dominictarr>(the start of jQuery for fs!)
18:25:23  <dominictarr>you can do some quite complex stuff super simple
18:25:43  <jez0990>oh, nice!
18:25:47  <dominictarr>like: show npm tree https://github.com/dominictarr/pull-fs/blob/master/index.js#L177-L181
18:26:05  <dominictarr>find current package.json https://github.com/dominictarr/pull-fs/blob/master/index.js#L171-L174
18:26:55  <dominictarr>and node's module resolve algorithm is only 50 lines https://github.com/dominictarr/pull-fs/blob/master/require.js
18:27:50  <jez0990>this looks really neat :)
18:28:08  <jez0990>so it's multiple async 'pull streams' over a single stream?
18:28:24  <jez0990>to get files in parallel, right?
18:28:42  <dominictarr>this isn't in parallel, because you want to stop at the first file
18:29:00  <dominictarr>order is fairly important in this case
18:29:39  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: just google it
18:30:37  <dominictarr>but, I'm gonna implement an parallelMap that will pull n things and then map them, and then output them in order
18:31:48  <dominictarr>jez0990: I'm really looking forward to adapting this to leveldb
18:31:54  <thl0>jez0990: not sure what you mean?
18:32:08  <dominictarr>basically: turning leveldb into a graph database!
18:32:35  <thl0>jez0990: it should tell you what column an error ocurred if that is what you mean
18:32:51  <thl0>fo parse errors it just tells you what esprima spit out
18:33:51  <dominictarr>jez0990: the traversals I have implemented so far (depthFirst, widthFirst, leafFirst) are fairly simple
18:33:53  <thl0>jez0990: I'm trying to improve the ace editor integration though, if it is set up properly, it will show code warnings right in the editor (has a xdomain issue at this point however)
18:34:16  <dominictarr>but! A* is just down the road!
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18:35:41  <dominictarr>all you'd need is a heuristic function, and a function to return a pull stream of the nodes that expand from a given node
18:36:03  <dominictarr>and you'll have efficient async search on anything!
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18:43:05  <mbalho>there are some cool A* implementations in JS already,i was looking at them for player AI in voxel.js
18:43:16  <mbalho>if you loook through the voxeljs twitter backlog you'll find links
18:44:49  <dominictarr>are any async friendly?
18:46:11  <dominictarr>it's really simple anyway - you just expand the next node that scores lowest on it's heuristic (expected cost) + actual cost to that node.
18:48:18  <dominictarr>only slightly more complicated than width first search
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18:57:20  <niftylettuce>upboats please "Buy stamps from command line" front page of HN /cc Nexxy jesusabdullah
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19:12:16  <st_luke>and then your api key is stored unencrypted in your cli history
19:12:45  <dominictarr>niftylettuce: postage stamps?
19:12:48  <Ralt>substack: got some time to help me getting started with exterminate's dev? like, quick technical overview + Makefile (haven't found it, I'd like to know how I can build with browserify)
19:13:52  <Ralt>I want to fix the dimensions thingie, but I don't really how to get started right now
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19:15:24  <jez0990>thl0: yeah I'm talking about the error message - it means I need to count my way along the line :)
19:15:48  <thl0>got it, well that's an ace editor thing
19:16:23  <jez0990>I see, cheers anyway, this is a nice tool!
19:16:27  <thl0>I'm just using that - not mine - scriptie-talkie is only the terminal on the right (interfaces with the ace ditor)
19:16:29  <Nexxy>niftylettuce, very cool
19:16:31  <thl0>thanks
19:17:02  <thl0>did you see scriptie-talkie-embed as well - will create a whole blog series with it with interactive code samples
19:17:11  <niftylettuce>Nexxy: u can also do https://github.com/EasyPost/easypost-node#easypostjs-
19:22:30  <jez0990>thl0: I'll definitely use it to write up what I'm working on atm!
19:23:08  <thl0>jez0990: cool
19:23:33  <jez0990>dominictarr: are you interested in the RDF use-case?
19:23:37  <thl0>jez0990: don't know what blogging engine you use, but I added scriptie-talkie support to dog this morning: https://github.com/thlorenz/dog
19:23:50  <jez0990>then dog it is :D
19:24:18  <dominictarr>I'm definately interested in that _sort_ of thing, but not really in that spec-first, code later stuff
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19:28:14  <dominictarr>jez0990: need a levelup plugin that does this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triplestore
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19:30:13  <dominictarr>jez0990: im wary of ideas that have more academic interest than practical interest, the semantic web is a great example of that.
19:35:57  <jez0990>dominictarr: I feel that, and if all the time man has spent wrestling with making computers "intelligent" had instead been spent making them easier to use it'd be a very different world to this one already
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19:36:20  <dominictarr>and it's gotta be fun
19:36:37  <jez0990>easy = fun :D
19:36:44  <dominictarr>RDF & XML isn't FUN
19:39:07  <timoxley>jez0990 easy != fun
19:39:47  <timoxley>e.g. chess
19:39:58  <timoxley>counter strike
19:40:08  <timoxley>php
19:40:35  <timoxley>what
19:40:35  <Nexxy>counterstrike is so easy you don't even know dude like woah
19:40:43  <Nexxy>all I do is get headshots
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19:41:00  <jez0990>lol
19:41:01  <Nexxy>BOOM, HEADSHOT
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19:41:02  <LOUDBOT>VE VILL CREATE DE SUPERIOR LULZ
19:41:04  <Nexxy>BOOM, HEADSHOT
19:41:05  <LOUDBOT>WE NEED A PAWBOT WITH A WEBCAM AND SERVOS TO CHASE KITTIES
19:41:06  <jesusabdullah>you're better at counter-strike than I am!
19:41:12  <Nexxy>BOOOOOOM, HEAD. SHOT.
19:41:12  <LOUDBOT>BACKED UP LIKE A FAT GUY WITH A 10 LB BLOCK OF CHEESE
19:41:16  <timoxley>hahaha
19:41:38  <jesusabdullah>lololol
19:41:52  <timoxley>ok let's go with php though
19:41:55  <timoxley>ugh
19:42:22  <Nexxy>yeah I like to develop enterprise applications
19:42:45  <Nexxy>with a technology whose acronym stands for Personal Home Page
19:45:53  <jez0990>timoxley: are you thinking in terms of things that are accessible but soon grow chaotic? because that's just not what I meant at all, although I agree. I'm talking about easy in the Node sense, the best sense
19:46:06  <jez0990>easy is just the path of least resistance, The Way
19:48:26  <dominictarr>well… nothing worth doing is really "easy"
19:48:45  <dominictarr>but if it didn't look easy, then you probably wouldn't start doing it
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21:06:22  <st_luke>has anyone written anything for browserify to support a mode where it generates public scripts based on http request, for dev purposes?
21:08:06  <st_luke>Domenic_: are you around? I had a question for isaacs but you’ve worked with lib/install.js in npm so maybe you know the answer
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21:16:06  <dominictarr>so, we need a ci that tests all the dependants when a new version of a dependency is published
21:18:06  <st_luke>dominictarr: brilliant idea
21:18:37  <st_luke>but with the projected growth of node, the cpu requirements would be pretty intense
21:19:22  <dominictarr>absolutely, running 1200 tests whenever optimist changes
21:19:35  <dominictarr>but, it changes hardly ever
21:20:04  <dominictarr>well, only if they have a wide version range
21:20:30  <dominictarr>hmm, well, it wouldn't need to run ALL of them
21:21:19  <dominictarr>once it has found some breakages it can stop/deprioritize, because it's generated information - which is the important thing
21:45:47  <Raynos>idea!
21:45:52  <Raynos>( https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2013-April/029850.html ) <-
21:46:02  <Raynos>we should try to convince es-discuss that there "is no pitchfork risk"
21:46:10  <Raynos>then ES6 modules will collapse under their own weight
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21:46:52  <st_luke>wtf
21:46:59  <st_luke>is that a real post
21:47:34  <st_luke>nice use of legacy
21:48:56  <substack>hahah "pressured by users"
21:48:59  <substack>not going to happen
21:49:24  <substack>we'll just have an even more fractured module landscape
21:49:40  <st_luke>im not gonna click on those links anymore
21:49:46  <st_luke>reading that mailing list is not good for anyone
21:51:59  <substack>I don't think they know how adoption curves work
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21:55:55  <substack>Ralt: https://github.com/substack/exterminate/blob/master/package.json#L30
21:56:25  <substack>screen size updates should send a SIGWINCH
21:57:04  <substack>then bash sends an ioctl to read the new window dimensions
21:57:21  <substack>but I'm not sure how that dimension data is set
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22:00:56  <st_luke>what are you trying to do?
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22:01:36  <dominictarr>my prediction: everyone ignores es modules and continues to use what already works great
22:03:41  <substack>dominictarr: people who don't even write modules really want them
22:04:04  <substack>unfortunately ES thinks these people matter
22:04:31  <dominictarr>modules don't really exist until the council of elders bless them
22:05:13  <dominictarr>the 20+k modules on npm are just children;s bedtime stories
22:06:19  <dominictarr>lets just make our own commitee that just writes specs but doesn't design them
22:07:34  <dominictarr>They don't even see the most important thing about node's module system, and why it's so revolutionary.
22:07:55  <dominictarr>and why, it can make programs like browserify feel like they are "small"
22:08:12  <dominictarr>when in fact they are 45,000 lines of code
22:11:30  <st_luke>let’s never make a committee
22:12:42  <dominictarr>no, lets make a committee
22:12:56  <dominictarr>you need to have a committee to seem respectable
22:13:17  <dominictarr>lets just not allow the committee to have any members
22:13:30  <st_luke>oh that sounds nice
22:13:31  <dominictarr>the Empty Spec committee
22:13:35  <st_luke>only robots are allowed
22:13:43  <st_luke>robots that are really good at telling bedtime stories
22:14:12  <dominictarr>the only members are some personified office equipment
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22:14:49  <dominictarr>Mr. Stapler, Mrs. Desk Lamp, Prof. Drawers
22:14:50  <dominictarr>etc
22:15:04  <st_luke>I was nearly about to press enter on 'Mr. Stapler'
22:15:10  <st_luke>Dr. Shredder
22:15:22  <dominictarr>he's the commitee chairman
22:15:33  <dominictarr>but he just vetos everything
22:15:58  <st_luke>twitter.com/ezdiscuss
22:16:22  <dominictarr>do it
22:17:34  <dominictarr>it can make proposals like replacing curly braces with the reverse of the opening keyword, like in bash
22:17:40  <dominictarr>for …rof
22:17:46  <dominictarr>if … fi
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22:17:56  <dominictarr>function …. noitcnuf
22:27:39  <dominictarr>I guess… if they didn't have the es6 modules to keep them busy they could be getting into real trouble
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22:34:01  <dominictarr>st_luke: when are you heading to berlin?
22:40:55  <st_luke>dominictarr: I think my lease is over at the end of may
22:40:57  <st_luke>but I have to find out
22:41:03  <st_luke>but either June or July I think
22:41:26  <st_luke>I can’t wait to not pay NYC taxes anymore
22:41:30  <dominictarr>okay, cool
22:42:18  <st_luke>however in ~3 weeks I’m planning a trip to Germany, not sure if I will hit Berlin that time though
22:42:42  <dominictarr>I'm gonna be in scotland around then
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22:57:45  <mikolalysenko>check it out: https://github.com/mikolalysenko/game-shell
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23:00:46  <CoverSlide>mikolalysenko: sweet!
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23:02:00  <mikolalysenko>I think that for most games this is pretty much all you need (at least to get started)
23:02:36  <mikolalysenko>though I want to eventually make some library to do bitmap based tilemaps and scrolling
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23:50:37  <ins0mnia>the world is fucked up
23:51:30  <rvagg>aww, having a bad day?
23:51:50  <dominictarr>substack: some great arguments for small modules here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMBclvY_EMA
23:52:02  <ins0mnia>just read about this 8 years old kid that died in boston, so fucked up
23:52:09  <guybrush>mikolalysenko: its a framework! :p
23:52:44  <ins0mnia>martin his name
23:52:47  <substack>dominictarr: sweet!
23:52:49  <ins0mnia>frameworks are fucked up too
23:53:42  <substack>getting some food then going on a hike &
23:53:51  <substack>will watch it when I get back
23:54:32  <guybrush>mikolalysenko: but i like it though
23:55:24  <guybrush>but i wonder, if you check on "tick" for input - are you sure you wont miss anything?
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23:55:55  <guybrush>like i hit real fast up down up down, like 100x per second :p
23:56:46  <guybrush>thats why i have control-buffers for all my entities with a tick-number attached to it
23:57:49  <guybrush>also that way everything becomes deterministic and prediction/correction becomes simple (if its done at all)