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| <Raynos> | dominictarr: how is it related to level-scuttlebutt? |
| 00:13:56
| <substack> | dominictarr: get my email? |
| 00:14:12
| <substack> | I'm going to be looking into lenses |
| 00:15:46
| <substack> | and I got the guy who gave the lxjs talk to publish his lens modules to npm |
| 00:16:08
| <substack> | https://github.com/vmx/jslens/pull/1#issuecomment-10919644 |
| 00:18:17
| <Raynos> | substack: that lens stuff was cool! |
| 00:18:51
| <Raynos> | substack: A streamlens would be cool |
| 00:19:06
| <Raynos> | because you could do a.pipe(stream).pipe(b) and b.pipe(stream.reverse()).pipe(a) |
| 00:21:01
| <substack> | Raynos: I'm more thinking of lenses as useful for de-normalizing normalized structures into nested rich structures that we can modify and have the changes replicate back into the normalized form |
| 00:21:13
| <substack> | so we can have trees with perhaps even graphs in crdt |
| 00:21:19
| <substack> | like orm but not completely silly |
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| <Raynos> | interesting |
| 00:21:28
| <substack> | map-lens |
| 00:21:28
| <Raynos> | I want this too btw |
| 00:21:35
| <Raynos> | I want automated denormalization |
| 00:21:37
| <substack> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphism#Anamorphisms_in_category_theory |
| 00:21:52
| <Raynos> | where you can update any part of the denormalized data and everything updates accordingly |
| 00:21:54
| <substack> | categorical duals of catamorphism |
| 00:22:02
| <Raynos> | Specifically for re-indexing things |
| 00:22:04
| <substack> | Array.prototype.reduce and Array.prototype.filter are catamorphisms |
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| <substack> | ergo it might be possible to write map-lens instead of just map-reduce using the same inputs |
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| <substack> | Raynos: yes exactly! |
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| <substack> | updating transformed structures and replicating back into the source data |
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| <Raynos> | as long as its not lossly |
| 00:23:10
| <Raynos> | like reduce is. |
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| <dominictarr> | Raynos, level-scuttlebutt needs the _remove event, so that it can cleanup the updates that no longer contribute to the current state. |
| 01:01:07
| <dominictarr> | substack, yes, I sounds like you may be onto something, |
| 01:01:22
| <dominictarr> | started reading about category theory. |
| 01:01:27
| <dominictarr> | complex |
| 01:01:43
| <dominictarr> | actually, that word doesn't mean much |
| 01:01:54
| <dominictarr> | "abstract" is more precise. |
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| <substack> | so abstract |
| 01:06:48
| <substack> | not enough practical applications using these ideas |
| 01:08:47
| <substack> | the recurring problem of academic research |
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| <jesusabdullah> | guys I don't work for nodjatso anymore |
| 01:28:27
| <substack> | jesusabdullah: any next moves out in the open yet? |
| 01:29:12
| <jesusabdullah> | yeah more or less |
| 01:29:17
| <jesusabdullah> | I'm flying to india! |
| 01:29:27
| <jesusabdullah> | in a few hours |
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| <substack> | crazy adventures |
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| <dominictarr> | well, It's math. that makes no claim to practicality. |
| 01:33:37
| <dominictarr> | the trouble is really that computer scientists can be both engineers and mathematicians |
| 01:34:15
| <dominictarr> | ... sometimes they get misapply the tools of one to the problem of the other. |
| 01:35:20
| <substack> | vmx's lens module is really great because it's the only lens example I've seen that has practical-looking examples |
| 01:35:28
| <substack> | particularly that wkt converter |
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| <dominictarr> | link? |
| 01:35:59
| <substack> | http://github.com/vmx/jslens |
| 01:36:01
| <dominictarr> | it would be cool to use lenses for a compile to js language |
| 01:36:06
| <substack> | it's the one from lxjs |
| 01:36:09
| <substack> | now on npm |
| 01:36:27
| <substack> | although the one on npm doesn't export properly until my pull req goes through |
| 01:37:20
| <dominictarr> | hmm, what does this guy do, is he an academic? |
| 01:38:04
| <substack> | oh whoa he has forks of TAP things and couchb things https://github.com/vmx |
| 01:38:20
| <substack> | incluing pouchb |
| 01:38:25
| <substack> | need to get him in this channel |
| 01:40:10
| <substack> | just says "open source enthusiast and hacker" on his website |
| 01:44:52
| <mbalho> | volker wrote geocouch |
| 01:45:01
| <mbalho> | he hangs in #couchdb |
| 01:45:08
| <mbalho> | + is a friend of mine |
| 01:45:10
| <mbalho> | hes a kewl d00d |
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| <substack> | rad |
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| <fotoverite> | cool |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: so mbalho just told me that vmx's job is to translate obscure german academic papers into english |
| 02:05:14
| <dominictarr> | jjjjohnnny, http://www.siward.tv/ |
| 02:05:20
| <substack> | an then he sometimes implements them on the side |
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| <dominictarr> | haha |
| 02:05:35
| <dominictarr> | that is a good job. |
| 02:06:03
| <substack> | oh wait that is just his hobby I guess |
| 02:06:13
| <substack> | he's at couchbase |
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| <dominictarr> | so, with the hooks that I'm gonna add for updating in place we could easily add a lense, so that two documents are retrived, and then both modified. |
| 02:13:05
| <dominictarr> | then saved. |
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| <substack> | http://scriptfoo.github.com/game-off-2012/ |
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| <niftylettuce> | substack: we needa patch bouncy yo |
| 07:52:59
| <niftylettuce> | http-proxy api sucks, and nginx/apache alternatives sucks |
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| <niftylettuce> | substack: why all the pull requests? |
| 08:02:15
| <chrisdickinson> | does there already exist a module for finding modules given arbitrary extension requirements? |
| 08:07:00
| <niftylettuce> | chrisdickinson: can you give an example? |
| 08:07:50
| <chrisdickinson> | basically, given current path X + module name Y, return path to module Z. Y may be relative to X, or contained within node modules. |
| 08:08:43
| <chrisdickinson> | should do the package.json dance as well -- if the package exists in node_modules and there's a package.json with a `main` directive, it should return the path represented by that directive. |
| 08:09:31
| <chrisdickinson> | part of me wants it to return readable streams if possible, but that might be a little silly. |
| 08:09:52
| <chrisdickinson> | (emitting 'error' after the fact if no module can be found.) |
| 08:13:35
| <substack> | niftylettuce: fixing bouncy is on my todo but fixing it doesn't involve pull requests |
| 08:13:47
| <substack> | it involves throwing everything away and doing a different approach |
| 08:14:07
| <substack> | and I get way too many requests for stupid shit with the routing json |
| 08:14:14
| <substack> | so the next version won't even have that |
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| <dominictarr> | chrisdickinson, the logic for that is well documented, several people have implemented that in sync - copying the core logic |
| 08:25:40
| <dominictarr> | see browserify |
| 08:26:19
| <chrisdickinson> | cool -- i have something similar in glslify, and i was planning on spinning it out into another module |
| 08:26:39
| <dominictarr> | what are you using it for? |
| 08:27:01
| <chrisdickinson> | locating .glsl modules |
| 08:27:22
| <chrisdickinson> | (basically piggybacking a glsl module system on top of npm.) |
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| <dominictarr> | oh, that is interesting |
| 08:28:02
| <dominictarr> | hmmm... I think you can register extensions, and it can find it |
| 08:28:09
| <dominictarr> | (node will find it) |
| 08:28:20
| <dominictarr> | that is how coffee script works. |
| 08:28:28
| <chrisdickinson> | that was my first thought, but i'd rather not register an extension with node at large |
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| <chrisdickinson> | (also: https://gist.github.com/4186707 for an example of the importing.) |
| 08:28:58
| <dominictarr> | you can also do require.resolve(path) |
| 08:29:06
| <dominictarr> | and it returns the path... not the exports. |
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| <chrisdickinson> | oh, interesting! |
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| <chrisdickinson> | i was thinking of an api that was basically current path + target module in, readable stream out |
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| <chrisdickinson> | (and if the module can't get resolved, the first event out of the readable stream will be an error.) |
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| <chrisdickinson> | also, a lack of collision with node builtins is desirable. |
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| <dominictarr> | hmm, read the node modules code. |
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| <dominictarr> | see also http://npm.im/resolve |
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| <substack> | http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/02/dronegames-in-san-francisco-features-twitter-fists-groupon-leashes-mifi-and-botnets/ |
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| <ik> | twitter fisting groupon |
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| <substack> | ik: correct |
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| <substack> | anyways my silly thing won |
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| <substack> | easiest virus ever |
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| <substack> | the drones run open wifi and have telnet open as root with no auth |
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| <ik> | wicked good |
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| <dominictarr> | substack, xml data from open-street-map! https://gist.github.com/4190483 |
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| <AvianFlu> | ENOTENOUGHLOUDBOT |
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| <AvianFlu> | WHAT'S THE MATTER YOU NEED SPACES OR SOMETHING? |
| 20:13:43
| <LOUDBOT> | SHARKS WITH LASERS CLEAN UP THE GULF |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: sweet! |
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| <dominictarr> | you can even download all the data for the entire planet... |
| 20:59:40
| <dominictarr> | It's only 250 GB |
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| <niftylettuce> | substack: https://gist.github.com/411b0a2185b3ee4681b2 seems to work with `$ sudo supervisor cluster` fwiw temp solution |
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| <substack> | dominictarr: http://shawnclover.com/2012/02/23/inside-the-old-fleishhacker-poolhouse/ |
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| <dominictarr> | it should be converted into hipster accommodation |
| 21:29:27
| <dominictarr> | we should put it on airbnb |
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| <mbalho> | so....much....HDR photography.... |
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| <Raynos> | substack: one of my fleet processes crashed and I cant find the core dump. Is it hidden somewhere? |
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| <fotoverite> | Dominictarr when do you get to nyc? |
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| <substack> | hooray |
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| <substack> | Raynos: you've got to roll your own logging right now |
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| <substack> | when I get around to rewriting fleet it'll just use crdt+leveldb for logs |
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| <Raynos> | substack: its not logs. its I cant find the core dump file |
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| <Raynos> | i have my own logging |
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| <substack> | what |
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