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00:58:57  <fotoverite>Luke can you verify that the ssl for https://registry.npmjs.org/ is correct or incorrect?
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01:33:30  <st_luke>fotoverite: looks like it's a self signed cert. check with isaacs.
01:33:44  <fotoverite>Yeah it is.
01:33:49  <fotoverite>was having some interesting issues
01:34:45  <st_luke>just set whatever you're using to not verify the CA
01:34:48  <st_luke>should be an option for that somewhere
01:36:01  <st_luke>i think im gonna quit my job, just got a memo that people need to start coming in at 10. that's not gonna work.
01:36:19  <fotoverite>:(
01:36:34  <fotoverite>most rails guy come in at 9
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02:11:13  <guybrush>bahhhhh why components? :/ i am really trying to like it, i just dont get it why they dont use package.json with node_modules
02:12:06  <guybrush>please someone convince me that it actually makes sense and i should just use it
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03:00:26  <owen1>guybrush: are u talking about bower?
03:00:47  <guybrush>nah https://github.com/component/component
03:01:22  <guybrush>i mean i get it i think..... if you come up with an awesome name for your package and its already picked in the npm-registry you are pissed
03:01:40  <substack>just get better at coming up with names
03:02:12  <guybrush>but npm already knows about dependencies : { foo : ghUserName/foo }
03:02:38  <guybrush>why the hell do we put all the stuff in ANOTHER whatever.json and ANOTHER whatever -directory
03:02:39  <substack>username/package doesn't work well with versions
03:02:51  <guybrush>substack: you can use git-refs
03:03:01  <substack>but you can't use semvers with git refs
03:03:01  <guybrush>but yes
03:03:03  <guybrush>ye
03:03:20  <guybrush>anyway that is not really my concern with components
03:03:21  <guybrush>bah
03:04:11  <guybrush>i mean for me the node-module-system is the reaall win, its actually what makes everything SO great
03:04:33  <guybrush>now we make another thing which does exactly the same, just with other names - which COEXISTS with the already working thing
03:04:39  <guybrush>wtf
03:04:39  <owen1>guybrush: how is it different than https://github.com/twitter/bower ?
03:04:50  <guybrush>owen1 sorry i dont know bower
03:05:19  <owen1>bower install backbone will put it inside components folder.
03:05:27  <guybrush>nice
03:05:52  <guybrush>and why does it not use npm and put it into node_modules?
03:06:16  <guybrush>i mean that would be for free since its already working
03:07:09  <owen1>bower is a package manager for client-side libraries
03:07:30  <guybrush>which happen to be javascript with commonjs require
03:08:17  <guybrush>i bet bower uses bower.json? for package-definition :D
03:08:37  <guybrush>so you and up with package.json bower.json and component.json for one package :D
03:09:32  <guybrush>and 3 cli-tools to manage 1 package in 3 ecosystems
03:11:56  <guybrush>sorry had just to discharge frustration :p in the end the only real problem is me not being able to decide which road i want to go
03:15:23  <guybrush>haha bower uses even component.json :DD which conflicts with component(1)'s component.json
03:16:30  <substack>just use npm
03:17:08  <guybrush>substack: though i like to not use npm-registry and instead use any git-repo
03:18:11  <guybrush>i mean i like that its possible and fully works
03:18:49  <guybrush>you just can put ANY stuff from ANYWHERE into your dependencies, a fork or something, without any problems
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03:19:30  <guybrush>as long as its git or tarball
03:19:35  <guybrush>with package.json in it
03:20:58  <substack>yes npm already does all those things
03:21:14  <substack>I wish npm could do semvers by looking at the git tags
03:21:23  <guybrush>right
03:21:29  <guybrush>thats actually a pretty good idea
03:21:34  <substack>I always tag new releases with the version number
03:21:49  <guybrush>i use `npm version <version>`
03:22:03  <substack>any tags that /^\d+\.\d+\.\d+$/ could be interpreted as versions that semver ranges could be run against
03:22:57  <guybrush> /^v?\d+\.\d+\.\d+$/
03:24:03  <guybrush>substack: how can i minify bfy-bundles?
03:24:31  <guybrush>im really lazy with that question didnt try anything :p just wonder because its a string
03:25:55  <guybrush>i mean the bundle ends up with require.define('<path>',Function([.., ..],'------- string ------'))
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03:28:04  <guybrush>ahhh lol
03:28:23  <guybrush>sorry :p
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11:14:25  <hij1nx>rowbit: :(
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11:41:56  <tanepiper>substack: hmm, I am getting more issues with seaport, from what I can tell in /node_modules/seaport/node_modules/crdt/node_modules/scuttlebutt/node_modules/stream-serializer/index.js: it's throwing invalid JSON errors
11:45:01  <tanepiper>https://gist.github.com/5d6f9512400a06a8f71a
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15:03:49  <substack>tanepiper: yes I've gotten a few of those too
15:04:21  <substack>it does that when the json isn't a string
15:04:57  <substack>tanepiper: but in your gist it's just an error when the host header isn't set
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17:34:07  <fotoverite>Damn the incoming storm
17:41:01  <st_luke_>does anyone have any good pictures of genocide? I need to make a slide deck for a work presentation this week.
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17:41:25  <fotoverite>I'm not touching this one.
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18:11:52  <mbalho>st_luke: ಠ_ಠ
18:12:46  <Raynos>st_luke: ಠ_ಠ
18:25:33  <st_luke>well
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18:42:39  <mbalho>mikeal: does gather have an api for looking up a user by twitter username or twitter id
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19:06:02  <mbalho>mikeal: it would be useful for a client side @mentions UI and also to make a twitter bot that listens to @gather mentions on twitter and makes gatherings automatically for gather users
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19:20:32  <mikeal>making gatherings automatically is tricky, mainly because it *will* bring more people to the event
19:21:09  <mikeal>so if someone didn't very explicitely want one created, we could send people to an event that they did not go through some RSVP workflow, or something where they had a set number of people and didn't want a bunch of rando's to show up :)
19:21:53  <mbalho>mikeal: ok good point
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20:51:49  <substack>oh cripes http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4744498
20:52:21  <substack>I mean great that more things that aren't zookeeper are coming along
20:52:27  <fotoverite>Did zookeeper just die from the great backspace.
20:56:39  <st_luke>substack: I noticed that earlier, it's good that a big company in the hosting industry like rackspace is promoting node as a featured client library. I don't care about the service registry itself but its node promotion is worthwhile.
20:57:09  <substack>well service registries are really a great idea when implemented properly
20:57:23  <substack>there's no code available for this service yet though
20:57:32  <substack>and it's rest with heartbeats and polling an events feed
20:57:36  <substack>which is super lame sauce
20:57:58  <fotoverite>ANd how you can be better then them :D
20:57:58  <st_luke>I haven't looked into their implementation at all, but with the hosting industry it's usually baby steps
20:58:13  <jesusabdullah>substack: you said you have access to friends with trucks yeah?
20:58:25  <jesusabdullah>substack: I'm thinking about how I'm gonna haul this futon and these shelves to the dump
20:58:42  <jesusabdullah>substack: one option is to go oakland standard protocol and drag it to the fence in front of the tire shop and run
20:58:45  <st_luke>RIP STACKHOUSE
20:58:45  <jesusabdullah>XD
20:59:12  <fotoverite>RIP stackhouse :(
20:59:26  <fotoverite>To new adventures
21:00:55  <jesusabdullah>indeed
21:02:42  <substack>jesusabdullah: johnny has a subaru so it might fit
21:02:56  <jesusabdullah>word
21:03:30  <jesusabdullah>I'll be outta here by end of week
21:05:39  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: are you going anywhere before AK
21:06:29  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: I mean, storage unit? XD
21:10:44  <jesusabdullah>st_luke: I have a layover in pdx...
21:11:17  <st_luke>oh nice
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21:11:31  <jesusabdullah>having talked to the cloudkickers, it sounds like a lot of rackspace apis are/were XML
21:11:42  <st_luke>I think there's a pretty good wendy's in that airport
21:11:52  <fotoverite>XML :(
21:12:05  <fotoverite>Yes they do have a nice wendy's in PDS
21:12:06  <fotoverite>PDX
21:12:15  <jesusabdullah>haha, word
21:12:27  <fotoverite>I remember last time I was there. NO cinibon thought from what I remember st_luke:
21:12:39  <jesusabdullah>I ever tell you guys about the "fairbanks wrap" ?
21:12:57  <jesusabdullah>I used to live in Fairbanks and the nearest Arby's was in Wasilla, about 300 miles away
21:13:15  <jesusabdullah>so they used to do a "fairbanks wrap" where they would package the buns and meat and sauce all separately so it would keep
21:13:29  <jesusabdullah>and you'd get a whole bunch and roll up to the 'banks and everyone would think you were awesome
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21:55:07  <st_luke>jesusabdullah: is it cheap to live in alaska
21:55:12  <st_luke>I need somewhere new to live
21:55:15  <jesusabdullah>not particularly
21:55:21  <jesusabdullah>not particularly expensive either though
21:55:22  <fotoverite>The government pays you to live there.
21:55:35  <fotoverite>st_luke: you're leaving the great NYC?
21:55:42  <jesusabdullah>you can use your pfd to pay like half your heating bill
21:55:49  <jesusabdullah>maybe all of it depending on the size of it
21:55:55  <jesusabdullah>food is more expensive in general
21:56:22  <jesusabdullah>or at least that's what they say
21:56:33  <jesusabdullah>fruit's more due to shipping, a lot of stuff is the same as in cali though
21:57:17  <st_luke>it's all good I only really eat tortilla chips and guacamole
22:00:27  <substack>fresh food isn't much more expensive than cali though
22:01:25  <st_luke>well shit's pretty pricey in nyc
22:01:46  <st_luke>it would be cool to get a job like on an oil rig and write code in my spare time when I feel like it
22:01:55  <st_luke>but I bet oil rig jobs are pretty competitive
22:01:56  <substack>st_luke: was that genocide image for a resignation letter?
22:02:17  <substack>yeah oil rigs are tricky to get into
22:02:28  <substack>if you're good at welding you could get a job on the pipeline
22:03:02  <substack>there's also consulting gigs
22:03:37  <st_luke>no, I have to do a demo of a d3 system with a node backend that I've been working on for someone who is usually really critical of my work because I have a preference for javascript. I was going to 'accidentally' include a picture of genocide in the slide deck and pretend I had no idea how it got in there.
22:04:29  <st_luke>I should try to build up a small client base of freelance work in the city and then I can live wherever
22:04:42  <substack>could work
22:05:07  <fotoverite>Well that's something.
22:05:15  <substack>building recurring revenue streams is tough work
22:05:16  <fotoverite>I'm sure the demo is going to kick ass.
22:07:33  <st_luke>it's probably going to end in an argument because I've done everything I can to avoid any discussion with this individual due to his negative criticism, but whatever. that's how corporate jobs are.
22:08:16  <st_luke>substack: yeah, recurring revenue streams are tough. in early 2011 when I was freelancing for a few months I had some good clients going but budgeting was difficult, and no health insurance.
22:09:34  <st_luke>I tend to get sick and injured a lot and my ancestry is prone to disease so health insurance is a must
22:10:36  <substack>pesky
22:10:40  <substack>I just got sick that one time
22:13:31  <st_luke>yeah, also anytime I do martial arts there's a risk of really scary skin infections anytime you're doing any kind of close quarters combat. like staph or mersa. just not worth the risk.
22:14:12  <fotoverite>Wait what?
22:14:18  <fotoverite>Like in general or just you?
22:15:20  <st_luke>fotoverite: like in general
22:15:27  <st_luke>I've never gotten it but you can't be too careful
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