00:02:31  <dominictarr>modern browsers include jquery by default. what version of ecma script are you on?
00:03:14  <dominictarr>I use require('browserify-jquery') though
00:03:32  <dominictarr>(are you using browserify?)
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00:06:41  <substack>dbrans: require('jquery-browserify') should give you jquery in testling
00:07:32  <dominictarr>oop, otherway around.
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00:09:46  <Raynos>why would you even need jquery ._./
00:09:52  <dbrans>substack: thanks. jQuery seems to load fine when I use the "script" parameter. Perhaps an instrumentation issue?
00:11:13  <dbrans>substack: npm install testling doesn't support require.load?
00:11:34  <dbrans>(running testling locally)
00:11:48  <dominictarr>substack, could we make testling start the browser when running locally?
00:12:14  <dominictarr>like, just make it do the same thing as dongi
00:12:21  <dbrans>^ or phantomjs
00:12:32  <dominictarr>google-chrome localhost:54046
00:12:58  <dominictarr>personally, I think I trust real browsers better.
00:13:56  <dominictarr>plus, then I can have gui stuff that I can actually look at.
00:15:52  <dominictarr>night all!
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00:34:38  <dbrans>substack: There's very little feedback when you do something wrong. "curl: (18) transfer closed with outstanding read data remaining"
00:35:53  <dbrans>Is there a plan for improving feedback? It would be very handy to be able to run testling locally in a browser and debug the errors first-hand.
01:05:05  <dbrans>substack: I sent a couple questions to feedback@browserling.com
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01:07:36  <substack>gah testling is going to change a lot once we drop all the legacy api
01:08:03  <py1hon>deleting code is always fun :)
01:08:06  <substack>dominictarr_zzz: it already starts a browser
01:08:14  <substack>just make it skip running it headlessly
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01:08:43  <substack>py1hon: well people keep asking questions about the old api which is all going to get deleted
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01:09:55  <py1hon>substack: yeah, it's gonna be fun when i do that for bcache
01:10:28  <py1hon>how's testling and such been going lately?
01:12:34  <rowbit>SubStack, pkrumins: At least 5 people waiting in the queue for free servers! (Waiting: 5)
01:12:38  <substack>browserling has lots of customers now
01:12:50  <substack>queue system has bugs, which is why you see those messages
01:14:22  <py1hon>cool!
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01:47:52  <substack>dominictarr_zzz: bug in stream-serializer/index.js:24 data is not defined
01:47:55  <substack>should be line
01:49:23  <substack>also that try spans too many lines
01:49:32  <substack>it's catching an exception in the write()
01:56:12  <guybrush_>hm whats the fastest htmlparser on npm?
01:56:15  <guybrush_>i mean xmlparser
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02:47:56  <substack>wooo
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03:21:41  <substack>dominictarr_zzz: oh wait it seems I wrote that patch incorrectly
03:22:34  <substack>hmmm wait the tests work properly
03:22:43  <substack>but in crdt I'm getting something completely different
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07:42:30  <bezudar_>Hi
07:42:41  <bezudar_>Can i test mobile browsers also on browserling
07:45:44  <jesusabdullah>I don't think so
07:46:10  <bezudar_>ok
07:46:11  <bezudar_>thx
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08:02:22  <dominictarr_zzz>substack, I've already fixed the stream-serializer bug... okay I just updated scuttlebutt/package.json to use new version.
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08:04:37  <dominictarr>substack, what are you seeing in crdt?
08:57:53  <dominictarr>substack, I am seeing header events on crdt...
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13:33:36  <substack>dominictarr: nevermind, I figured it out
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18:23:35  <isaacs>dominictarr, Raynos: people get WAY too religious about streams.
18:23:50  <isaacs>it's funny, because i agree with the people disagreeing with you guys, but not with the fact that they're bothering to disagree.
18:23:55  <Raynos>isaacs: I think we should deprecate them
18:24:00  <isaacs>Raynos: LOL
18:24:03  <dominictarr>isaacs, haha, yeah.
18:24:04  <Raynos>They clearly have too much religion around them
18:24:19  <dominictarr>isaacs, still we are not proposing something crazy like fibers.
18:24:27  <isaacs>Raynos: maybe once js has generators and iterators, we can just replace it all with that approach
18:24:31  <Raynos>isaacs: rewrite node-core using https://github.com/gozala/reducers
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18:24:42  <dominictarr>we are just using something is a slightly unconventional way.
18:24:44  <Raynos>reducers are clearly better then iterators
18:25:05  <isaacs>well, reducers are basically streams2-style streams, but without all the edge cases being handled.
18:25:23  <isaacs>they're Transform streams
18:25:51  <isaacs>dominictarr: yes, you are.
18:26:05  <isaacs>dominictarr: but i'd like for streams2 to actually be useful for the unconventional usages that i don't approve of
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18:26:47  <dominictarr>isaacs, confused: we are advocating something crazy like fibers?
18:27:04  <dominictarr>or just unconventional?
18:27:17  <isaacs>dominictarr: i don't know when i'm being sarcastic and when i'm being serious any more.
18:27:20  <isaacs>dominictarr: it's a real problem.
18:27:33  <isaacs>dominictarr: sometimes the sarcasm meter tops out and comes back around and i'm serious again
18:27:48  <isaacs>it's only like an int8, so that happens a lot
18:27:56  <dominictarr>irony is like rock-paper-scissors
18:28:23  <isaacs>in that it involves several weird hand-shapes?
18:29:23  <dominictarr>no, in that there is no winning move, a loosing move beats a winning move.
18:29:28  <dominictarr>like, it's circular.
18:29:32  <isaacs>ohhh, i get it
18:29:47  <dominictarr>interesting thing, the meta game has the same shape
18:30:11  <dominictarr>back in a bit
18:33:05  <fotoverite>NYC has survived the hurricane.
18:33:59  <fotoverite>I'm a hipster so I'm always in a state of irony.
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18:38:55  <isaacs>fotoverite: in that you're circular?
18:39:59  <fotoverite>Yes we love what we love till it's popular then hate it till it peaks then wonder what everyone problem is with loving it.
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19:00:21  <Raynos>isaacs: the problem with generators is that for them to be useful async style (see task.js) you have to yield promises
19:00:42  <Raynos>isaacs: if reducers don't handle edge cases then that's bugs that should be fixed.
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20:59:30  <dbrans>substack: I'm having trouble getting a browser to launch when I run "testling test.js --browser=chrome" with a simple test.
20:59:51  <dbrans>"testling list" includes chrome.
21:00:35  <substack>dbrans: it launches headlessly
21:02:00  <dbrans>"--headless" is an option, no? I didn't specify it.
21:02:22  <dbrans>My goal is to open CDT and see why nothing is happening. Because nothing is happening.
21:04:26  <dbrans>In general, I'd like to use tools like Firebug or CDT to see why a test is failing. Does that make sense?
21:05:26  <substack>try --no-headless
21:07:37  <dbrans>nothing happened.
21:07:44  <dbrans>just exits.
21:08:11  <dbrans>git clone https://github.com/substack/testling.git
21:08:16  <dbrans>cd testling
21:08:19  <dbrans>npm install
21:08:29  <dbrans>testling example/test.js --browser=chrome
21:08:32  <dbrans>does nothing.
21:08:56  <dbrans>no output. just hangs.
21:09:11  <dbrans>if I specify --no-headless it just exits immediately with no output.
21:11:43  <dominictarr>dbrans, I just start chrome manually,
21:11:57  <dominictarr>or use a little bash script.
21:12:25  <dbrans>^ chrome is already running.
21:12:42  <dbrans>I can launch chrome using browser-launcher.
21:13:13  <dominictarr>dbrans, if you go google-chrome localhost:54046 then it says "opened another window in current session or somethnig"
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21:24:06  <dbrans>dominictarr: thanks. looks like it might be a profile lock problem.
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22:27:03  <fotoverite>substack: you feeling better now?
22:28:44  <Nexxy>o hai
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23:04:19  <substack>fotoverite: yep loads better
23:04:28  <fotoverite>Glad to hear it.
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23:52:03  <dbrans>substack: to get chrome to launch locally I had to upgrade testling's browser-launcher version. I'm running OSX 10.8.2 and Google Chrome Beta. Do you want me to create an issue?
23:52:44  <dbrans>Chrome 22.0.1229.94
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