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00:33:51  <yug__>when will you update the browsers?
00:34:02  <yug__>they are pretty old
00:35:10  <yug__>anyone here?
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00:42:48  <pkrumins>yug__: i started updating them yesterday
00:42:51  <pkrumins>yug__: will finish soon
00:44:57  <yug__>soon like a week or a day?
00:45:00  <yug__>and regardless
00:45:09  <yug__>how does the srvice work
00:45:15  <yug__>i do not really understand
00:45:30  <yug__>can i run like 1000 browsers together ?
00:45:56  <pkrumins>tomorrow
00:46:22  <pkrumins>no you can run 1 browser at a time
00:47:51  <yug__>i see
00:47:56  <yug__>that does not help me
00:47:59  <yug__>thanks anyway
00:49:13  <yug__>but maybe you know of something i can do
00:49:21  <yug__>i need to make like a 100 computers
00:49:28  <yug__>go to my url at the same time
00:49:42  <yug__>and stay there for like 10 minutes
00:49:45  <dools>is this for load testing?
00:49:49  <dools>there are other products that do that for you
00:49:57  <pkrumins>yeah we dont do load testing
00:50:01  <pkrumins>try browsermob.com
00:50:30  <dools>swarm is one i've heard of but not used: http://swarm.minjar.com/
00:52:50  <yug__>it's not exactly load testing
00:53:02  <yug__>i need the computer to stay on the website for an hor
00:53:04  <yug__>hour
00:53:10  <yug__>it's an algorithm test
00:54:23  <yug__>but i need also the ui to work
00:54:28  <yug__>because they are related
00:54:48  <yug__>the server performance depends on the client
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01:39:22  <dools>au!
01:39:23  <dools>reprasent
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01:52:01  <pkrumins>197.
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03:29:34  <Raynos>substack: https://github.com/ianb/doctestjs#doctestjs
03:29:48  <Raynos>substack: I want to build somethign similar. What should I use to parse JS?
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03:50:46  <Raynos>isaacs, mikeal, substack: Should your entire test suite run in a single process or one process per test?
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04:09:57  <AvianFlu>I just called this channel "streamtopia"
04:10:04  <AvianFlu>I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WOULD WANT TO KNOW
04:10:05  <LOUDBOT>MAYBE YOU JUST AREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO COMPREHEND THE SHEER BLINDING AND OVER POWERING LOGIC
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06:51:35  <Raynos>You know what would be awesome
06:51:37  <Raynos>repl stream!
06:51:52  <Raynos>fs.createReadStream(file).pipe(Repl()).pipe(process.stdout)!
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09:47:50  <mbalho>paul_irish_: can you get canary on android? or chromium?
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14:14:52  <isaacs>Raynos: depends.
14:15:06  <isaacs>Raynos: tap runs one process per file
14:15:15  <isaacs>Raynos: but one file can have more than one test in it
14:18:42  <isaacs>new-streams are proceeding apace in node-core. fs and zlib are implemented on streams2.
14:18:51  <isaacs>net is the scary one, though.
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14:24:43  <pkrumins>this is cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion_laughs
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15:05:03  <isaacs>pkrumins: one of the many reasons why sax-js does not handle custom or recursive entity definition
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15:09:32  <pkrumins>aha
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15:31:55  <isaacs>pkrumins: you can also make (some) xml validators make http requests by providing remote doctype defs
15:32:40  <isaacs>pkrumins: so, with a slightly bigger document, you can do the same 1E9lolz, but with http traffic.
15:33:14  <isaacs>pkrumins: the thing about xml, is that everyone *knows* it's bad, but they kind of apologize for it, and say it's not really THAT bad.
15:33:32  <isaacs>pkrumins: then you write an xml parser, and you read the specs, and you go HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK this is SO MUCH WORSE than i ever IMAGINED!
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15:51:03  <st_luke>but I can imagine it being the most awful thing ever
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16:30:57  <pkrumins>isaacs: haha
16:31:06  <pkrumins>this should make a great article
16:31:15  <pkrumins>i didnt know about xml bomb before
16:32:22  <pkrumins>i should make this a series of posts
16:32:24  <pkrumins>about various bombs
16:32:28  <pkrumins>zip bomb, fork bomb, xml bokb
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16:45:18  <pkrumins>isaacs: know any other bombs?
16:45:22  <pkrumins>there must be a ton
16:45:33  <pkrumins>alert(1) bomb
16:45:36  <pkrumins>dom bomb
16:45:45  <isaacs>somebody set us up the bomb
16:45:57  <ircretary>:(){:|:&};: #BOOM
16:46:00  <pkrumins>haha
16:46:01  <isaacs>pkrumins: ^
16:46:06  <pkrumins>that's the fork bomb
16:46:18  <isaacs>ircretary: bomb pkrumins
16:46:18  <ircretary>isaacs: Arming the charges...
16:46:40  <pkrumins>wat
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16:50:19  <pkrumins>198!
16:50:25  <pkrumins>blog post at 200!
16:50:40  <pkrumins>title: "Browserling reaches 200 customers"
16:50:41  <pkrumins>woo
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18:10:38  <Raynos>isaacs: what's the advantage of one process per file?
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18:27:55  <isaacs>Raynos: those files can crash and you can track the exit status of each test.
18:28:05  <isaacs>Raynos: separate memory space, v8 instance, etc.
18:28:13  <isaacs>i do sometimes have one test file require() another
18:28:28  <isaacs>just to run the same test code in multiple different configurations
18:28:29  <Raynos>isaacs: My internal issue is that when testing a server I shouldnt be reconstructing and deconstructing it
18:28:38  <Raynos>it would be a better integration test if the entire server ran in one process
18:28:45  <Raynos>I guess I can spawn the server as a seperate process
18:28:57  <isaacs>Raynos: have a 00-setup.js that runs the server as a detached child proc, and a zz-teardown.js test that destroys it
18:29:01  <isaacs>Raynos: write the pid to a file
18:29:11  <isaacs>Raynos: then in zz-teardown.js, call process.kill(pid)
18:29:12  <Raynos>isaacs: tap runs things in order?
18:29:24  <isaacs>Raynos: yeah, it alphabetized
18:29:32  <isaacs>Raynos: check out the tests for couch-login or redsess
18:29:36  <Raynos>isaacs: including folders 00-setup.js bar folder foo folder zz-teardown.js
18:29:48  <isaacs>Raynos: hm... not sure? maybe?
18:29:54  <isaacs>Raynos: try it!
18:29:57  <Raynos>ill try it later
18:30:05  <isaacs>it should be just alpha by nam
18:30:06  <Raynos>how often do you track exit status and let files crash?
18:30:07  <isaacs>e
18:30:09  <Raynos>like why is that useful?
18:30:16  <isaacs>Raynos: if (er) throw er
18:30:24  <Raynos>oh interesting
18:30:33  <Raynos>so you can test things that throw errors cleanly
18:30:33  <isaacs>Raynos: if you're using tap for tests, then it tracks thatas a fail, and skips to the next test
18:30:50  <Raynos>isaacs: tap can use better docs.
18:30:51  <isaacs>Raynos: but yeah, also, you can do process.exit(1) to say "This whole test is fail"
18:30:54  <isaacs>Raynos: agreed.
18:30:56  <Raynos>isaacs: I may do some for it
18:30:57  <isaacs>Raynos: and better code :)
18:31:11  <pkrumins>is there a node bomb?
18:31:20  <isaacs>pkrumins: hmm.... good question!
18:31:28  <isaacs>pkrumins: you can run child procs.
18:31:57  <pkrumins>yeah but that would be like the same fork bomb
18:32:03  <pkrumins>not unique
18:32:09  <pkrumins>like zip bomb is unique to compression
18:32:22  <pkrumins>hmm fork bomb to system programming
18:32:40  <pkrumins>xml bomb to a data standard that includes recursion
18:33:00  <pkrumins>i guess node falls under fork bomb
18:33:19  <isaacs>pkrumins: and you can reference the node -e value with process._eval
18:33:22  <isaacs>pkrumins: node -e 'console.log("node -e %j", process._eval)'
18:33:58  <isaacs>pkrumins: you'll have to run detached child procs.
18:34:01  <isaacs>to really be a bomb
18:34:27  <pkrumins>sweet!
18:34:32  <pkrumins>love this
18:34:42  <isaacs>pkrumins: maybe: while(true) child_process.spawk(process.execPath, [__filename], {detached: true,stdio:ignore});
18:35:05  <isaacs>pkrumins: suddely there are an infinite number of infinitely self-spawning nodes!
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18:35:15  <pkrumins>200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:35:20  <pkrumins>isaacs: that is awesome
18:35:23  <isaacs>pkrumins: if you do process.fork() then they can even talk to one another :)
18:35:33  <isaacs>oops, bug, s/spawk/spawn/
18:35:44  <isaacs>and s/process.fork/child_process.fork/
18:36:12  <pkrumins>i'll do a blog post :)
18:36:16  <pkrumins>about node bomb too
18:36:47  <isaacs>node -e 'while true require("child_process").spawn(process.execPath,process.arguments,{detached:true,stdio:ignore})'
18:36:53  <isaacs>node -e 'while (true) require("child_process").spawn(process.execPath,process.arguments,{detached:true,stdio:ignore})'
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22:35:01  <dools>pkrumins-bot
22:48:16  <isaacs>pkrumins: can you do a browserling bomb?
22:48:55  <isaacs>pkrumins: like, a browserling page that tries to load itself in browserling?
22:49:29  <pkrumins>haha yes you can!
22:49:43  <pkrumins>http://browserling.com/firefox/13.0/http://browserling.com
22:49:50  <pkrumins>hmm no wait
22:50:00  <pkrumins>http://browserling.com/firefox/13.0/http://browserling.com/firefox/13.0/http://browserling.com/firefox/13.0/http://browserling.com
22:50:03  <pkrumins>like that
22:50:15  <dools>aww Cannot GET /encoder.html
22:50:22  <pkrumins>oh i see
22:50:28  <pkrumins>url sharing is broken right now
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23:00:47  <mike-d>isaacs: liking 'net' over 'http' for handling http requests
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