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00:38:30  <pkrumins>how long are we gonna have this broken shit
00:39:52  <pkrumins>upgraded manually
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00:53:38  <dominictarr>hey
00:53:44  <dominictarr>whats up dudes?
00:53:53  <dools>party over heee-yah
00:57:52  <pkrumins>fixing encoders here
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01:03:41  <dominictarr>hey dools ! havn't seen you in a while whats up?
01:06:03  <dools>wheeling, dealing, killing, chilling
01:06:27  <dools>not that much new on the business front except that we're making a gradual shift into "online marketing" more than "web stuff" - it's essentialy the same skillset but easier to sell :)
01:07:00  <dools>more excitingly, though, we've got a live demo of decal with a super slick (well, still work in progress but on the way to being super slick) on boarding process based on what we learned from the 7 minute and 4 minute challenes
01:07:04  <dools>http://grinch-demo.mockups.decalcms.com/
01:07:05  <dools>works in chrome, saf, and ff
01:07:06  <dools>no signup
01:07:08  <dools>no creating pages
01:07:10  <dools>no tutorial
01:07:12  <dools>etc.
01:07:34  <dools>we still have to optimise the length of the tutorial -like the first bit has too many guiders right now so we need to strike a balance but we're pretty happy with the flow generally
01:08:18  <dools>where are you currently solar powering from?
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01:33:25  <dominictarr>dools, I'm in cambodia
01:34:41  <dominictarr>cambodia is pretty cool.
01:35:22  <dools>what's the soup like there?
01:36:12  <ik>I like soup
01:36:26  <dools>asia exists to provide the world with soup and electronics
01:36:47  <dools>australia exists to provide asia with iron ore
01:36:56  <dools>new zealand exists to provide australia with talent
01:37:10  <dools>it's beautiful in a way
01:37:48  <dominictarr>haha.
01:37:54  <dominictarr>the food is really good
01:38:45  <dominictarr>one of the best I've had was rice soup from a little fishing village
01:39:31  <dominictarr>they seemed pretty surprised to have a whitie wanting to eat there
01:40:05  <dominictarr>but it was way better than the similar stuff I found in the tourist areas.
01:40:12  <dominictarr>which was kinda bland.
01:40:32  <dominictarr>comparatively
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01:43:52  <dools>mmmm fish soup
01:46:36  <dools>.oO(i have no fish soup in the house)
01:47:21  <dools>you have to be careful with those vendors though. like the locals can handle it sometimes but if your body doesn't have the right bacterial balance you can get pretty sick
01:47:55  <dominictarr>I just eat anything.
01:47:58  <dools>i wanted to eat from the street vendors when i was in ghana but the guys i was staying with (who were ghanaian born but since moved to australia and the us respectively) said they can't even eat there now because they don't live there full tiem
01:48:29  <dools>but it's kinda dirty over there - like people just serve it all with their hands and then eat with their hands and wash their hands in a communal basin afterwards
01:48:39  <dominictarr>the only thing I didn't eat was a roasted egg that I opened and found a half grown bird inside.
01:48:52  <dools>haha gross
01:48:52  <dominictarr>that was a surprise, and then I noticed worms
01:48:59  <dominictarr>so I was like, fuck this.
01:49:04  <maxogden>protein yo
01:49:26  <dominictarr>I'm already so skinny people think I have paracites.
01:49:50  <dominictarr>don't need any help.
01:49:51  <dools>you probably do
01:50:03  <dools>you're probably more tapeworm than man
01:50:10  <maxogden>lol
01:50:34  <dools>haha
01:50:52  <dominictarr>cambodia is not like that. people make quite an effort to be clean.
01:51:18  <dominictarr>drinks always come with straws, shit like that.
01:55:40  <jesusabdullah>lulz
01:55:57  <jesusabdullah>you've heard of montezuma's revenge, dominictarr ?
01:58:04  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr: pictures
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02:03:08  <dominictarr>jesusabdullah, is it a food poisoning?
02:03:38  <dominictarr>from central america?
02:05:13  <dools>haha
02:06:41  <dominictarr>I had _dengue fever_ I ain't afraid of no food poisoning!
02:07:30  <dominictarr>I laugh at in the face of bacteria!
02:07:59  <dominictarr>rather have a real viral disease any day!
02:08:02  <dominictarr>LIKE A MAN
02:08:30  <dominictarr>I am frequently amazed at the relevance of loud bot.
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02:15:14  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr: Pretty much
02:15:41  <jesusabdullah>LOUDBOT: be jesusabdullah
02:15:50  <jesusabdullah>ahaha, niiice
02:16:01  <jesusabdullah>LOUDBOT: be jesusabdullah
02:16:06  <jesusabdullah>LOUDBOT: be jesusabdullah
02:16:08  <jesusabdullah>LOUDBOT: be jesusabdullah
02:16:10  <jesusabdullah>LOUDBOT: be jesusabdullah
02:16:11  <LOUDBOT><jesusabdullah> ARBITRARY NUMBER GET!
02:16:13  <jesusabdullah>LOUDBOT: be jesusabdullah
02:16:17  <jesusabdullah>hahahaha
02:16:27  <jesusabdullah>That's my "windows azure theme song"
02:17:05  <jesusabdullah>if we have to rename it we should go with zendork
02:17:44  <dominictarr>jesusabdullah, can you answer a python question for me?
02:18:08  <jesusabdullah>dominictarr: potentially
02:18:25  <jesusabdullah>oh, is this about the version management?
02:18:57  <jesusabdullah>Yeah, python is kinda retarded about that stuff, but there's this thing called virtualenv which lets you have versions scoped to some environment and you can have multiple envs
02:19:03  <jesusabdullah>I think ruby has something like this
02:19:16  <jesusabdullah>and virtualenv and pip supposedly play nice
02:19:29  <dominictarr>yeah, bundler lets you have a private env per application
02:19:45  <dominictarr>but can you have version conflicts within one application?
02:19:58  <dominictarr>aka, is python fail?
02:20:13  <dominictarr>oops, phrased that wrongly
02:21:00  <dominictarr>hmm, maybe not. you need to be able to have multiple versions of a module in one app.
02:21:32  <dominictarr>"version conflict" is a better word for when you can't do that.
02:32:27  <jesusabdullah>yes, python is fail
02:32:36  <jesusabdullah>even in virtualenv
02:32:42  <jesusabdullah>afaik
02:32:55  <jesusabdullah>You can probably do some vendoring shit, y'know, hack at it
02:33:03  <jesusabdullah>but not with finesse anywhere near what node pulls off
02:44:50  <dominictarr>indeed.
02:45:17  <dominictarr>jesusabdullah, I'm just looking for one other system as good as npm before I start slagging them all off.
02:57:52  <jesusabdullah>SubStack: How smart is cabal?
02:57:58  <dominictarr>time for breakfast! catch you guys later
02:58:10  <jesusabdullah>peace
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04:06:59  <SubStack>jesusabdullah: not very smart at all
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04:19:29  <jesusabdullah>SubStack: :(
04:22:17  <SubStack>the only module systems I know of that do version conflicts like node are nixOS and the module system creationix bolted onto lua based on node
04:24:26  <jesusabdullah>hmm
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06:42:13  <dominictarr>SubStack, did you just see this: https://github.com/DamonOehlman/cripple.js
06:42:32  <dominictarr>cripples your browser to turn it into IE8
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06:55:53  <SubStack>haha
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08:23:04  <tanepiper>sick of hearing about cloud9 :|
08:31:19  <SubStack>wherefrom?
08:32:01  <SubStack>I just learned vim 9 years ago and haven't used anything else except for that month in 2007 where I tried emacs
08:32:12  <SubStack>a creature of habit
08:32:38  <SubStack>actually must've been 10 years ago
08:32:47  <SubStack>I was 14 or so
08:37:47  <SubStack>I remember being really confused by IDEs when I first started programming
08:38:00  <SubStack>the command line and notepad made way more sense
08:38:27  <SubStack>you just type some characters and the computers runs them for you, easy
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08:42:45  <SubStack>ok beh, getting this browser launcher thing done finally
08:43:06  <SubStack>mostly been spending a lot of time thinking about how all this stuff should fit together
08:43:41  <SubStack>even though I know that kind of analysis is always premature, it's an easy mode of thinking to fall into
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09:38:27  <tanepiper>SubStack: twitter and other places (I have a personal beef with their managment)
09:52:13  <SubStack>hundereds of tiny modules and I don't tell anybody what to do, that's how I roll
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10:19:41  <dools>haha i saw a good "that's how i roll" tweet the other day
10:19:58  <dools>i can't remember the specific wording ... but it was basically a literal description of rolling down a hill
10:20:19  <dools>like "lying down on my side and then rotating about the z-axis until i reach the bottom. that's how i roll"
10:20:24  <dools>(the original was better than that)
10:30:31  <dominictarr>there was something about using the potential energy embodied in the hill.
10:30:51  <dools>yeah that's right
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11:04:35  <tanepiper>watching dis' at work while working: http://vimeo.com/25440860
11:04:39  <tanepiper>forgot how good a movie this is
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11:53:37  <dominictarr>hey guys, check this out https://github.com/dominictarr/macgyver
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13:51:25  <ik>SubStack: fix iiiiit
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16:16:28  <ik>pkrumins: waiting on you do to this thing:
16:16:35  <ik>pkrumins: /msg chanserv access #stackvm add CAPSLOCKBOT +O
16:16:44  <ik>pkrumins: SubStack said it was ok and 100% approved so go ahead with that
16:16:48  <ik>pkrumins: TIA
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16:17:07  <Raynos>@stackhouse SubStack, jesusabdullah, I'll be occupying the spare room on thursday (assuming it's cool)
16:17:14  <Raynos>where thursday is tomorrow
16:17:17  <SubStack>yep
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16:17:57  <Raynos>I shall augment inconvenience with rounds of alcohol, is this an acceptable balance?
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16:33:06  <SubStack>sounds good
16:34:09  <IK>Wed Jun 27 12:33:21 EDT 2012
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17:21:39  <pkrumins>ik, i don't need that bot in this channel
17:28:32  <IK>pkrumins: *mandatory* capslock day
17:29:33  <pkrumins>nope
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18:29:58  <benatkin>trying to use this over a tunnel with chrome - getting bumped every minute or so
18:30:20  <benatkin>haven't been able to scroll down yet
18:31:48  <benatkin>got it to scroll now
18:32:37  <benatkin>done with IE7, now onto IE6!
18:32:45  <SubStack>woop
18:32:53  <SubStack>bumped oh no!
18:33:04  <SubStack>like the encoder just crashes on you?
18:33:09  <benatkin>doh, very broken in IE6
18:33:20  <benatkin>more like it didn't remember my session
18:33:25  <SubStack>!
18:33:34  <benatkin>not my login session, my browsing session
18:33:56  <SubStack>yeah we clear the browsers between sessions
18:33:57  <benatkin>started IE again. guess the encoder thing makes sense
18:34:32  <SubStack>each encoder runs on the windows desktop
18:34:45  <SubStack>and the browser viewer connects over dnode to each of the instances
18:36:19  <benatkin>I should say it's my site that's broken on IE6, not browserling
18:36:43  <benatkin>not doing anything about it - less than 1% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_6#Market_share
18:37:45  <benatkin>that stat is from Microsft so it might be Microsoft trying to divert blame, but good enough for me!
18:40:11  <SubStack>great!
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18:45:08  <isaacs>SubStack: so, i published that blog post, and it was leaked to es-discuss, and now the BEs are buzzin
18:45:36  <isaacs>SubStack: at least, it's not "Well, no one's bitching about this one. Guess it's done."
18:46:16  <SubStack>hahaha
18:46:22  <SubStack>that's actually kind of excellent
18:46:59  <SubStack>hopefully the `module` keyword and names stuff doesn't make it into the final spec still
18:47:12  <SubStack>I'm somewhat skeptical that they'll be able to keep it out
18:47:37  <SubStack>remembering ashkenas's class proposal that everybody liked and was ignored
18:51:36  <jesusabdullah>BEs?
18:51:57  <jesusabdullah>I've decided I hate es-discuss
18:54:24  <SubStack>that is the correct emotion
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18:54:43  <SubStack>es-discuss is a great argument against direct democracy
18:55:54  <SubStack>which would be fine if the scope of possible changes were sufficiently narrow
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19:48:57  <jesusabdullah>SubStack: Like a test or something. "Do you appreciate es-discuss" "yes" "WRONG -5pts"
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20:48:02  <SubStack>onin23: yep
20:48:34  <onin23>SubStack, is the t.createWindow() fixed now?
20:48:51  <SubStack>onin23: not yet, still working on it
20:49:09  <onin23>SubStack, do we have eta for it?
20:49:12  <SubStack>probably later today I'll have the headless local testling working
20:49:29  <SubStack>and then I'll have time to debug why createWindow() isn't working
20:49:55  <SubStack>onin23: well I plan to demo this stuff on july 2nd so hopefully before then!
20:50:24  <SubStack>this stuff is all under active development right now
20:50:32  <onin23>SubStack, ok, thanks.
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23:13:12  <maxogden>what was the tl;dr of es6 module guy's arguing earlier
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23:15:08  <SubStack>maxogden: dherman says we need static things because of future foreign bindings to static languages and some other reason that wasn't elaborated and I forget
23:15:09  <chapel>he seemed interested in what we were saying though
23:15:26  <chapel>well what SubStack was saying
23:15:27  <chapel>:P
23:15:27  <SubStack>but I think I can convince him to do this static stuff in a way that isn't completely terrible
23:15:47  <SubStack>like by having `export value` and return values for imports
23:15:48  <chapel>SubStack: he did seem interested, once he stopped being upset
23:20:10  <maxogden>static exports wat
23:20:36  <chapel>does anyone have a good example of what he means by static exports?
23:21:31  <SubStack>I'm not even sure why that is a thing you would need
23:21:57  <SubStack>libs for a foreign interface sort of makes sense but I think you could just use another abstraction for that
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23:24:09  <chapel>I think he wants to support it for compile time stuff and optimizations
23:24:11  <chapel>idk though
23:24:26  <chapel>maybe hes thinking of only including the actual code that is imported?
23:24:46  <chapel>in the compiled (combined & compressed) file?
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