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19:22:27  <strikeout>hey hey
19:27:48  <strikeout>anybody alive?
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20:32:18  <zenocon_>hey strikeout
21:09:05  <strikeout>hey zeno
21:09:19  <strikeout>:)
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22:43:57  <ArxPoetica>lo
22:44:00  <paulbjensen>?
22:44:08  <ArxPoetica>short for hello
22:44:10  <zenocon_>what's up
22:44:10  <ArxPoetica>:)
22:44:34  <zenocon_>ArxPoetica - very good vid on angular directives..watching now http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WqmeI5fZcho
22:44:37  <ArxPoetica>Hey has anybody seen mdedetrich in here? He seems to have gone missing.
22:44:51  <paulbjensen>ah.
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22:45:03  <paulbjensen>No. Is he on gut hub?
22:45:09  <ArxPoetica>rmm...
22:45:11  <ArxPoetica>dunno
22:45:11  <paulbjensen>*github
22:45:20  <ArxPoetica>I just thought he was an excellent SS mind.
22:45:25  <ArxPoetica>Had many great points.
22:45:34  <ArxPoetica>I think he got impatient w/ the lack of chatter in here.
22:46:07  <ArxPoetica>https://github.com/mdedetrich
22:46:10  <ArxPoetica>:P
22:46:22  <paulbjensen>last github activity was 1 month ago
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22:46:39  <paulbjensen>It's possible.
22:46:56  <ArxPoetica>Also. A new competitor: http://www.nodesocket.com/
22:47:29  <ArxPoetica>Maybe trying to be meteor?
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22:47:59  <ArxPoetica>I'm curious if they'll be friendly to OS.
22:49:16  <ArxPoetica>Btw. I'm veering pretty quickly toward using Amazon.
22:49:31  <ArxPoetica>Even though I wanted to avoid the overhead of setting everything up.
22:50:32  <paulbjensen>have you seen the banner at the top?
22:50:54  <ArxPoetica>rmmm
22:50:56  <ArxPoetica>what banner?
22:51:04  <ArxPoetica>OH LOL
22:51:06  <ArxPoetica>ha ha ha
22:51:41  <paulbjensen>they're pivoting and doing this instead: http://commando.io
22:52:00  <ArxPoetica>yeah, interesting
22:52:02  <ArxPoetica>btw paul
22:52:05  <ArxPoetica>http://howtonode.org/socket-io-auth
22:52:18  <ArxPoetica>You were asking about auth, right?
22:52:31  <ArxPoetica>passport or whatever it is.
22:52:38  <ArxPoetica>Or was it somebody else on here?
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22:53:02  <paulbjensen>it was me.
22:53:16  <ArxPoetica>so, don't know if that article will be helpful
22:53:22  <ArxPoetica>it's socket.io — but similar
22:53:47  <paulbjensen>Someone commented on an 8-month-old github issue, I said I'd have a look at integrating passport with SocketStream
22:54:06  <ArxPoetica>That'd be stellar.
22:54:07  <paulbjensen>this https://github.com/socketstream/socketstream/issues/229
22:54:28  <paulbjensen>good news is, I actually got passport working with SocketStream, for the Twitter example
22:54:37  <ArxPoetica>Oh, I see.
22:55:25  <paulbjensen>What I want to do now is abstract the common code bits into an npm, and improve the example so that Twitter OAuth redirects happen in a new JS window, so you never have to leave the app.
22:55:38  <paulbjensen>Which is how a couple of sites handle Twitter Auth.
22:56:47  <paulbjensen>The thing is, Passport supports 80+ Auth systems
22:57:10  <paulbjensen>Providing SocketStream integration with that would be a home run in my eyeballs
22:57:34  <ArxPoetica>...
22:57:41  <ArxPoetica>like openauth?
22:57:59  <paulbjensen>openauth, is that an npm?
22:58:00  <ArxPoetica>Is Twitter still on OpenAuth?
22:58:06  <paulbjensen>oh, yeah
22:58:13  <ArxPoetica>No, it's part of the OpenID stack, or whatever.
22:58:34  <ArxPoetica>I used to be very involved w/ the community behind OpenAuth/OpenId and other microformats
22:58:45  <ArxPoetica>Then they all got hired up by Google and everything went dead.
22:59:13  <ArxPoetica>But companies continue to innovate in that space.
22:59:24  <paulbjensen>I think Twitter is OAuth: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/auth
22:59:41  <ArxPoetica>No. They just use it. It's an "open" protocol.
22:59:57  <ArxPoetica>http://oauth.net/
23:00:25  <paulbjensen>ok
23:00:38  <ArxPoetica>These guys made a service out the social stack: http://janrain.com/
23:01:12  <paulbjensen>yeah, I've used that for quite a few years now
23:01:51  <paulbjensen>sorry to hear Google sat on OpenAuth in the typical acquihire fashion
23:01:53  <ArxPoetica>So did these guys: http://www.gigya.com/social-login/
23:02:02  <ArxPoetica>Yeah. It was painful to watch.
23:02:10  <ArxPoetica>There was so much awesome innovation. Then it all died.
23:02:17  <ArxPoetica>The open source engineers sold out. :P
23:02:30  <ArxPoetica>It happens.
23:02:36  <ArxPoetica>Ever listen to Twit?
23:02:46  <ArxPoetica>http://twit.tv/
23:02:47  <paulbjensen>I harbour a similar feeling about AOL wrt SocketStream
23:02:58  <ArxPoetica>These guys were talking about Patent Trolling and how it's killing innovation.
23:03:06  <ArxPoetica>ah yeah
23:03:08  <paulbjensen>not familiar with twit.tv
23:03:22  <ArxPoetica>It's just a bunch of San Fran techies talking the talk.
23:03:27  <paulbjensen>I've heard of Leo Laporte though
23:03:33  <ArxPoetica>er… yeah
23:03:36  <ArxPoetica>that's who I mean.
23:03:39  <ArxPoetica>his show
23:03:57  <paulbjensen>ah.
23:04:25  <ArxPoetica>Anyway, the open/social stack guys were "gonna change the internet"
23:04:43  <ArxPoetica>they sort of did — but they did it through the companies that bought them up. :P
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23:05:51  <paulbjensen>yeah, it's a shame.
23:06:23  <ArxPoetica>Mostly Google. :P
23:06:52  <ArxPoetica>But I digress...
23:07:05  <ArxPoetica>Innovation is not dead!
23:07:08  <ArxPoetica>Long live SS!
23:07:10  <ArxPoetica>:P
23:07:20  <paulbjensen>Google have killed so many businesses; Dodgeball, Jaiku. If they hadn't disabled signups on Jaiku, it could have been an alternative to Twitter
23:07:40  <ArxPoetica>I listened to another talk w/ Goog's CEO (forgetting his name)
23:07:44  <ArxPoetica>He's such an a**
23:07:47  <ArxPoetica>:P
23:08:03  <ArxPoetica>He doesn't care one whit about all the litigation. "It's part of the biznatch."
23:08:25  <ArxPoetica>While he sits on his coffers, drunken over gold.
23:08:33  <ArxPoetica>...I DIGRESS…
23:08:33  <ArxPoetica>ha
23:08:35  <paulbjensen>I think once you get that big, everything becomes an threat and an enemy
23:08:43  <ArxPoetica>Right.
23:08:53  <ArxPoetica>Hey, so paul, did you say you *do* use Amazon?
23:09:09  <ArxPoetica>I've done my research, and I think I've settled on using it.
23:09:13  <paulbjensen>We used it a bit at work recently.
23:09:19  <ArxPoetica>gotcha
23:10:13  <paulbjensen>I think it's a good choice; lots of flexibility with how you setup your network.
23:10:42  <ArxPoetica>Cool.
23:10:49  <ArxPoetica>Most interested in keeping costs down.
23:11:11  <ArxPoetica>I realized if I have *both* a hosting provider *and* a *CDN* provider, I'm ballooning costs.
23:11:15  <paulbjensen>Were you thinking of a micro-instance?
23:11:23  <ArxPoetica>Well, just for testing.
23:11:28  <ArxPoetica>But I'll probably need to scale.
23:11:41  <paulbjensen>yeah, sounds good, then you can hammer it to see how well it copes.
23:11:45  <ArxPoetica>right
23:11:56  <ArxPoetica>I read you thread about running it in prod.
23:11:59  <paulbjensen>that's what we were using EC2 for
23:12:03  <ArxPoetica>Right.
23:12:10  <paulbjensen>For SS, I used Linode.
23:12:15  <ArxPoetica>The thread mentioned some unit something.
23:12:19  <paulbjensen>whatever you do, check ULIMIT!
23:12:21  <ArxPoetica>Does Linode do CDN too?
23:12:26  <ArxPoetica>yeah that's it
23:12:27  <paulbjensen>No, just VPS
23:12:29  <ArxPoetica>ulimit
23:12:34  <ArxPoetica>I see.
23:12:43  <paulbjensen>killed Dashku when HN traffic hit
23:12:49  <ArxPoetica>VPS is virtual __ __ ?
23:13:04  <ArxPoetica>private server
23:13:06  <paulbjensen>I had configured limit, but not persisted the config beyond restarts
23:13:08  <paulbjensen>yes
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23:13:53  <paulbjensen>It narked me, because I invested a hell of a lot of time and effort into setting up a solid, secure network infrastructure for that app
23:13:59  <ArxPoetica>how bug a plan do you need at Linode?
23:14:12  <ArxPoetica>*big
23:14:20  <ArxPoetica>I mean are you using for Dashku
23:14:20  <paulbjensen>I'm currently running a couple of SS apps on the standard $20.
23:14:30  <ArxPoetica>Interesting
23:14:35  <ArxPoetica>the 512 is enough, eh?
23:14:43  <ArxPoetica>So SSH and all the glory?
23:14:54  <paulbjensen>For Dashku, I have 2 $40 boxes, one for app, another for db. Way beyond requirements at this stage.
23:15:15  <ArxPoetica>I see...
23:15:34  <ArxPoetica>Does running both Mongo and REDIS on the same server cause any problems?
23:15:43  <ArxPoetica>I heard Mongo and REDIS needed to be separate.
23:16:01  <paulbjensen>I haven't encountered any issues, but I know that Mongo loves RAM
23:16:18  <ArxPoetica>as does REDIS
23:16:35  <ArxPoetica>Yeah, I read somewhere if you're serious, they should be on separate boxes.
23:16:44  <ArxPoetica>Not exactly cheap… :/
23:18:34  <ArxPoetica>or separate instances anyway
23:24:13  <paulbjensen>I've yet to encounter issues. I guess the only way to know for sure is to run as realistic a stress test as you can.
23:25:26  <ArxPoetica>right
23:25:36  <ArxPoetica>here's one: http://vpsfuze.com/pricing.html
23:28:37  <paulbjensen>that's really cheap
23:29:10  <ArxPoetica>yeah — i was asking a local engineer friend about it
23:29:12  <ArxPoetica>he was using it
23:29:23  <ArxPoetica>he's a true nerdy/geeky java guy
23:31:42  <paulbjensen>I think Nodejitsu is $11pm at base level
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23:32:21  <paulbjensen>We looked at them for server hosting, but we had to run some 3rd-party services that they don't provide on their stack
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