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01:22:56  <ArxPoetica>still there owenb?
01:37:16  <mdedetrich>yo bitches
01:38:01  <ArxPoetica>lol
01:38:06  <ArxPoetica>hey mdedetrich
01:38:15  <ArxPoetica>whats new
01:40:02  <mdedetrich>our website on SS is launched
01:40:07  <mdedetrich>although its still beta status
01:40:12  <ArxPoetica>awesome
01:40:41  <ArxPoetica>i noticed paulbjensen started some ss-docs
01:40:52  <ArxPoetica>https://github.com/Anephenix/ss-docs
01:41:01  <ArxPoetica>We *REALLY* need this
01:41:05  <mdedetrich>agreed
01:41:24  <ArxPoetica>forking it to see how I can contribute
01:41:31  <ArxPoetica>so what's your site?
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01:59:09  <mdedetrich>ArxPoetica: www.blublocks.com
01:59:21  <ArxPoetica>cool
02:03:19  <ArxPoetica>is that you in the video?
02:14:58  <mdedetrich>at the end yes
02:16:20  <mdedetrich>also I found out that gzip compression (for me) is at least useless
02:16:31  <mdedetrich>since cloudfiles does it automatically server side for files
02:52:12  <ArxPoetica>interesting
02:52:38  <ArxPoetica>what did you think of the nodejitsu announcement of a cloud-based plugin?
02:53:38  <ArxPoetica>http://blog.nodejitsu.com/introducing-pkgcloud
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21:11:54  <owenb>hey guys. around for a bit if you want to ask any questions
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21:20:32  <ArxPoetica>owenb what's up
21:20:55  <ArxPoetica>How's the house situation? :)
21:21:57  <owenb>hey :) all good thanks. just been having meetings most of the week trying to plan my future work life. most importantly trying to make sure i've got enough free days to work on socketstream and my own ideas. how are you doing?
21:33:23  <ArxPoetica>good
21:33:37  <ArxPoetica>I get worried that SS is becoming abandonware
21:34:00  <ArxPoetica>That isn't meant as a criticism — I totally get the "things happen" part of life.
21:34:33  <ArxPoetica>But I'm wondering how (as an interested party) I can help contribute, or how we (those of us who are in here enough and care) can help offload some of the weight to keep things going.
21:34:39  <ArxPoetica>For example paul and his ss-docs
21:34:57  <ArxPoetica>https://github.com/anephenix/ss-docs
21:35:27  <ArxPoetica>At this point I'm becoming very invested in SS — that's good, but I want to do my part to make sure the ball doesn't drop.
21:38:39  <owenb>thanks. don't worry - it's not going to drop. i just need to take some hard decisions about what to do next (e.g. contract work, consulting, take vc cash, etc)... pretty much at the end of that process now
21:38:52  <ArxPoetica>okay cool
21:39:09  <ArxPoetica>I'd still like to know though
21:39:13  <ArxPoetica>or rather
21:39:45  <ArxPoetica>There was some inertia for a while w/ the ss community
21:39:50  <owenb>also I am aware there is a *lot* of work still to do on 0.4 to make it really production ready and it's not all 'doing' work - some of it is real research into whether or not streams are the best way forward for everything. and for that i need to write benchmarks etc and this will take time
21:40:11  <ArxPoetica>and I'm wondering if I can help at all w/ that
21:40:20  <ArxPoetica>help on the ss marketing front or WHATEVER
21:40:24  <ArxPoetica>I don't know if that makes sense
21:40:31  <ArxPoetica>but lets just say I'm almost fully invested
21:40:41  <owenb>thanks man. really appreciate it
21:40:49  <ArxPoetica>ok
21:40:53  <ArxPoetica>well, just let me know
21:41:40  <ArxPoetica>btw, did you move? because WHAT TIME IS IT????? :P
21:41:54  <ArxPoetica>8:40 am nevermind
21:41:55  <ArxPoetica> ha ha
21:42:06  <owenb>i will. right now the onus is on me to get 0.4 to a usable stage as quickly as possible. from there we now have enough interest in the project to take it much further much faster than ever before
21:42:30  <ArxPoetica>I suppose so — what will happen w/ .3?
21:42:49  <ArxPoetica>Many of us are actually almost in working mode w/ that.
21:42:55  <ArxPoetica>production I mean
21:43:07  <ArxPoetica>…even though we were warned not to… :P
21:43:09  <owenb>well if you look at the example_app code in 0.4 so far it will be really simple to move a 0.3 project to 0.4
21:43:13  <owenb>yes :)
21:43:16  <ArxPoetica>ok that's good
21:43:17  <owenb>but that's ok
21:43:20  <ArxPoetica>ha
21:43:25  <ArxPoetica>ok cool
21:43:32  <owenb>so i don't anticipate any problems. the rpc and events system is staying for 100% sure
21:43:42  <owenb>all your back end and front end code will work just as before
21:43:45  <ArxPoetica>Okay awesome
21:44:10  <ArxPoetica>So for real — if you need help on *any* end — even if I'm not equipped personally to help
21:44:20  <owenb>the key difference is the streaming interfaces, the websocket message multiplexing (which will need to change to support streams) and the support for Express which is likely to remain but work in a different way
21:44:26  <ArxPoetica>I'm an ENFP — which means I'm good at inspiring others :P
21:44:34  <owenb>thanks :)
21:44:37  <ArxPoetica>lol
21:44:51  <ArxPoetica>Tangent and a question:
21:45:10  <ArxPoetica>what do you use for cloud?
21:45:19  <ArxPoetica>Is there something in the guide anywhere about that?
21:45:26  <ArxPoetica>Or is there a demo you know of?
21:45:42  <ArxPoetica>I know mdedetrich has a working cloud example
21:45:48  <ArxPoetica>But he's not online. :)
21:46:05  <ArxPoetica>(then I'll stop bugging you)
21:46:43  <owenb>you mean where would I host SS apps personally? on EC2
21:46:48  <owenb>because I like playing with servers
21:46:53  <owenb>but most developers don't
21:47:05  <owenb>so I would go with nodejitsu
21:48:55  <ArxPoetica>nodejitsu doesn't do cloud, though they do have a new plugin to help with it
21:49:04  <ArxPoetica>(as far as I know)
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22:02:14  <owenb>ah ok. i'll check it out
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22:24:49  <ArxPoetica>owenb — still there?
22:24:54  <owenb>yup
22:25:07  <ArxPoetica>I have some nodejitsu info I found from AvianFlu
22:25:24  <ArxPoetica>he was telling me I should precompile my assets
22:25:39  <owenb>yup. you can do that now
22:25:48  <ArxPoetica>with ss?
22:25:51  <owenb>yes
22:25:55  <ArxPoetica>coolness
22:25:58  <owenb>latest 0.3 version
22:26:04  <owenb>SS_PACK=1 node app.js
22:26:12  <owenb>outputs and stores assets
22:26:15  <ArxPoetica>ah ok noted
22:26:20  <owenb>hence you can add them to github repo
22:26:38  <owenb>when you deploy just run SS_ENV=production and it will pick them up
22:26:44  <owenb>(rather than recompile)
22:26:45  <ArxPoetica>gotcha
22:27:36  <ArxPoetica>jitsu deploy SS_ENV=production ?
22:28:04  <owenb>er no, you need to pass it ENV variables when it runs
22:28:12  <owenb>how exactly you do that I'm not sure
22:28:19  <owenb>but this problem must have been solved many a time before
22:28:28  <ArxPoetica>np I think I know
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23:00:37  <ArxPoetica>owenb: future ref, nodejitsu lets you set enviro variables
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23:53:27  <owenb>ah great. thought so :)
23:53:35  <owenb>do you set them in package.json?