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01:02:04  <mdedetrich>owenb: you there
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01:15:27  <mdedetrich>owenb: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/socketstream/AMDJ80w9Hzo/M2qPx6aoIQ8J
01:15:35  <mdedetrich>owenb: can you have a look at this, its quite urgent
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15:43:45  <ArxPoetica>g'day
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15:51:26  <owenb>hey
15:56:22  <ArxPoetica>how goes the good fight, owenb?
15:56:29  <ArxPoetica>been a little while :)
15:57:07  <ArxPoetica>I've got a bunch of stuff I could show you sometime if you want to see how I'm using ss.
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20:20:33  <ArxPoetica>zenocon -- got angular working somewhat -- I'll fill you in when I get a chance.
20:20:48  <ArxPoetica>routing and different templates, etc
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20:47:30  <ArxPoetica>zenocon just saw your posting
20:47:48  <ArxPoetica>not sure I quite follow -- I'll have to read it a few times I guess :P
20:48:17  <ArxPoetica>But I think I might have been wondering the same thing -- views within views --
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22:26:15  <mdedetrich>owenb: u there
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22:49:30  <ArxPoetica>mdedetrich —> having problems w/ session cookies?
22:49:38  <mdedetrich>yes
22:49:46  <ArxPoetica>owenb is probably not around @ this hour :/
22:49:55  <mdedetrich>when is he around
22:50:57  <ArxPoetica>Well, since he's on London time, he tends to be around earlier than I :P
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22:51:41  <ArxPoetica>Not that I'll be able to help probably, but what's going on?
22:52:03  <mdedetrich>the sessions are randomly killing themselves
22:52:56  <ArxPoetica>and it's not redis ( I read that message )
22:53:24  <ArxPoetica>So, you're talking about individual sessions (such as in a multiuser setting)?
22:54:01  <mdedetrich>I am talking about the standard way of using sessions
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22:56:20  <mdedetrich>also keepOldFiles doesn't work
22:56:23  <mdedetrich>when coupled with a CDN
22:59:28  <mdedetrich>ArxPoetica; im actually just considering making my own mini framework
22:59:37  <mdedetrich>ArxPoetica: own isn't being very responsive about these problems
23:01:09  <ArxPoetica>sorry had to step away
23:01:42  <ArxPoetica>I s'pose it's worth at least forking?
23:02:23  <ArxPoetica>It's absolutely true that not one person makes a good framework happen.
23:03:00  <ArxPoetica>"not one person" = need more people = that's what I meant :P
23:05:39  <ArxPoetica>I have noticed a little lull in activity around here; I was hoping that was just temporary.
23:05:51  <ArxPoetica>and part of growing pains
23:06:00  <ArxPoetica>I'd like to think that SS has a bright future.
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23:06:45  <ArxPoetica>mdedetrich, what sort of mini-framework are you talking about?
23:07:22  <mdedetrich>ArxPoetica: im talking about a framework which I am going to create
23:07:32  <mdedetrich>I mean i am actually using ss in production
23:07:34  <mdedetrich>and I can't have issues like this
23:07:44  <mdedetrich>at least with the framework I create, it won't have these issus
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23:08:23  <ArxPoetica>Sure. I don't think Owen actually was thinking SS was quite production ready yet, but I know he's on track toward that end.
23:08:40  <ArxPoetica>.4 is supposed to be his actual "production ready" effort.
23:08:46  <mdedetrich>Also my framework would allow you to not use sockets
23:08:53  <ArxPoetica>interesting
23:09:11  <ArxPoetica>well, keep me posted. :)
23:10:33  <mdedetrich>I dont have an issue if its not production ready, but I havn't been able to contact own for the past 2 weeks
23:11:02  <ArxPoetica>Yeah — he has been MIA, it's true.
23:11:18  <ArxPoetica>…maybe if we make enough noise…
23:11:28  <ArxPoetica>He did drop in earlier today, actually.
23:12:24  <mdedetrich>also my framwork would do things like automatic CDN integration
23:12:25  <mdedetrich>and whatnot
23:12:41  <ArxPoetica>that's a good idea, actually
23:12:54  <ArxPoetica>I don't know that many frameworks try and solve that problem
23:12:55  <mdedetrich>even with static images and whatnot
23:21:30  <mdedetrich>its also going to act more like a stack of frameworks built ontop of express
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23:35:58  <owenb>hey mdedetrich. sorry i've not been around much. as soon as I came back from the travelling I moved house and are now (out of choice) jobless, so got a lot of crappy stuff like that to deal with which is taking all my time up at the moment
23:40:47  <mdedetrich>owenb: main issue on my end is that sessions are randomly screwing up
23:41:04  <owenb>is this definitely a new problem?
23:41:28  <owenb>i ask because i would expect to see a small percentage of cookie-less connections in production
23:42:03  <mdedetrich>owenb: it happened before, although that was when redis was expereicncing issues due to hurricane sandy
23:42:07  <mdedetrich>so i thought it was that
23:42:12  <owenb>i.e. people who turn cookies off or run av / privacy software or whatever which prevents them from being set
23:43:39  <mdedetrich>I posted the error in the thread
23:43:48  <mdedetrich>its not that cookies are not set, its that the app is throwing exceptions
23:43:53  <mdedetrich>which causes the website to break
23:44:48  <owenb>oh ok. i need to see the error then as that should never happen
23:45:01  <mdedetrich>its in this thread
23:45:33  <mdedetrich>Warning: connect.sid session cookie not detected. User may have cookies disabled or session cookie has expired
23:45:41  <mdedetrich>https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/socketstream/AMDJ80w9Hzo
23:45:52  <mdedetrich>the app throws an erorr, which revents the website from working as intended
23:45:54  <mdedetrich>*error
23:46:42  <owenb>yeah, SS is throwing the error because basically we're saying we can't do anything with clients which don't present us with a session id
23:47:05  <mdedetrich>this is happening on my testing machine
23:47:15  <mdedetrich>which def uses cookies
23:47:27  <owenb>right ok. so that's definitely wrong
23:47:54  <owenb>have you checked the contents of document.cookies in the browser's console?
23:49:10  <mdedetrich>I had to restart the app, because its in production
23:49:17  <mdedetrich>this also seems to happen after like 2 weeks or something
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23:49:23  <mdedetrich>are you sure the expiry is being set to a correct time?
23:52:20  <owenb>are you using Express? if so what version?
23:52:57  <ArxPoetica>EXPRESS WILL DO IT...
23:52:59  <ArxPoetica>:P
23:53:12  <owenb>i'm aware the middleware order changed a lot in version 3
23:53:18  <ArxPoetica>I've noticed a few conflicts when using express, if I'm not careful…but I digress...
23:53:49  <owenb>the SS + Express integration with Express 3 is not as clean as it was in 2
23:54:03  <owenb>nor can it ever be, which makes me want to move away from express in the future
23:56:19  <ArxPoetica>*gasp* — and use what for static pages?
23:57:13  <ArxPoetica>(sorry to eavesdrop, but that would be a ginormous change)
23:57:41  <ArxPoetica>Right now Express provides the only back up for caching should someone care about SEO.
23:58:01  <ArxPoetica>*Well, not the only
23:58:22  <owenb>i know it's a big change. but all of the node community is going in one direction (streams) and TJ is going the other (middleware)
23:58:35  <owenb>and the two are incompatible with each other
23:59:34  <owenb>i've yet to make any decisions on this. it could be that the way to use SS with Express is that you can add SS to your website as a piece of connect middleware