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15:23:20  <ivabz>Hi ivabz here.
15:23:30  <ivabz>all set to go?
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15:59:37  <mikeal>ask about .bind() performance, this one came up in levelup the other day
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19:03:00  <`3rdEden>what's this node thing your talking about?
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19:09:30  <cjm>hey all
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19:20:10  <owen1>can someone write who are the speakers?
19:20:38  <owen1>i think i recognize voxer's cto
19:20:46  <othiym23>owen1: Isaac Schlueter, Daniel Shaw, Matt Ranney, Vyacheslav Egerov
19:21:04  <owen1>thanks
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19:21:10  <othiym23>Joyent / Node, Voxer / NodeUp, Voxer, and Google (respectively)
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19:22:51  <mraleph1>my family name is spelled with o: Egorov :-)
19:23:04  <dlmanning>I think there are prescriptions for premature optimization.
19:23:20  <othiym23>mraleph1: sorry / thx for the correction
19:24:36  <othiym23>well uh ACTUALLY it's Вячеслав Егеров ;)
19:24:46  <othiym23>damn it
19:24:46  <mraleph1>nope
19:25:05  <othiym23>Вячеслав Егоров, I mean
19:25:11  <othiym23>some days I need my keyboard taken away from me
19:25:26  <mraleph1>Ж-)
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19:29:18  <`3rdEden>can't forEach just be inlined in to a for loop internally?
19:29:27  <jden_work>I demand a faster forEach
19:29:29  <`3rdEden>mraleph1: ^
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19:30:22  <groundwater>bug requests based on a challenge, sounds great
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19:30:52  <`3rdEden>(https://developers.google.com/octane/)
19:31:02  <jden_work>that would be a neat board - a side by side shootout between v8 perf bugs and *monkey perf bugs
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19:31:28  <s5fs>"best of the worst"
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19:56:22  <mjr__>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhpdsjBUS3g
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20:10:56  <dlmanning>"The empty program runs the fastest" How zen
20:11:48  <othiym23>man, this is the best NodeUp EVER
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20:17:28  <chrisdickinson>+1
20:18:45  <othiym23>if only somebody made some way of monitoring your app's performance in production...
20:19:04  <dlmanning>ha!
20:21:46  <`3rdEden>othiym23: it's called dtrace
20:22:11  <othiym23>that too :)
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20:32:01  <jklb>What about setting up something like http://todomvc.com to compare benchmarks?
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20:52:24  <othiym23>that's me, asking the HARD QUESTIONS
20:52:34  <mjr__>yeah, good question
20:56:14  <dlmanning>No love for haskell
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20:56:36  <mraleph1>dlmanning: it is just hard to optimize. harder than C++ :-)
20:57:07  <dlmanning>:)
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21:01:39  <mraleph1>whoa
21:01:43  <mjr__>Call ended1 hour 59 minutes 48 seconds
21:01:52  <mraleph1>swiss precision
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21:02:07  <mjr__>Thanks for coming on mraleph1, that was awesome
21:02:11  <othiym23>damn it, I was gonna also ask what lessons mraleph1 learned about V8 and writing JavaScript from working on Dart
21:02:11  <chrisdickinson>great show!
21:02:16  <mjr__>We didn't even talk about that awesome FPCW bug.
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21:02:23  <othiym23>yeah, thanks a ton mraleph1, that was all I dreamed it would be
21:02:25  <chrisdickinson>libuv bindings to dart, anyone?
21:02:33  <mraleph1>`3rdEden: answering your question from above: yes it should be. just not yet.
21:02:43  <mraleph1>mjr__: thanks for inviting me :-)
21:02:59  <mraleph1>chrisdickinson: we have our own io library (dart:io)
21:03:03  <chrisdickinson>oh, nice
21:03:06  <chrisdickinson>:)
21:03:42  <mjr__>Dart looks pretty cool. I hope to spend more time with it soon.
21:04:14  <dlmanning>Is there anywhere to run Dart besides Dartium?
21:04:26  <mraleph1>you mean in the browser?
21:04:28  <dlmanning>(I know it compiles to JS)
21:04:39  <mraleph1>you can run it in standalone vm
21:04:45  <mraleph1>which is like node essentially
21:04:58  <dlmanning>Something like d8?
21:05:10  <mraleph1>move stuff built in
21:05:23  <mraleph1>so more like node
21:05:25  <groundwater>is that vm going to target server applications?
21:05:30  <groundwater>along with client
21:06:06  <mraleph1>I'd think so. For 1.0 we focus on the client but we already have dart:io for server side.
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21:06:44  <mraleph1>our perf tracking system that controls machines running benchmarks (we have quite a few of those) is written in Dart.
21:07:20  <groundwater>i wonder if MattR is brave enough to run dart vm in production :)
21:07:29  <mraleph1>[so it's http, process manip, raw sockets and web sockets and so on]
21:07:51  <mjr__>groundwater: ha, I dunno if I'm that brave any more.
21:07:55  <mraleph1>:-)
21:08:09  <mraleph1>well you found your safe territorry :-)
21:08:10  <mjr__>Plus, without the flame graphs and core dump analysis, it'd be even more risky
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21:09:05  <mraleph1>well that we can implement :-)
21:09:14  <groundwater>maybe node v2.0 will be dart
21:09:19  <mraleph1>haha
21:09:22  <mraleph1>anyway.
21:09:58  <mjr__>mraleph1: that stack helper business is the biggest win, but the post-mortem stuff has also been very helpful in tracking down memory leaks.
21:11:47  <groundwater>can chrome run dart natively?
21:12:58  <mraleph1>not the mainline Chrome yet, a bit to early for that.
21:13:41  <dlmanning>mraleph1: Would it be going to far to say that Javascript is essentially over and it's all about Dart from now on? ;)
21:13:54  <mraleph1>yes, it's too far
21:14:14  <mraleph1>JavaScript will be not over for quite a while.
21:14:31  <mraleph1>I might get all grey hair and it'll still be not over :-)
21:14:51  <dlmanning>Well, that's comforting
21:15:06  <mjr__>I think JS is unkillable at this point
21:15:09  <mraleph1>weeeeeell
21:15:22  <mraleph1>well, if aliens blow the earth up
21:15:28  <mraleph1>I doubt JS will survive
21:15:31  <groundwater>so… javascript is the zombie apocalypse of programming languages?
21:15:31  <mjr__>Yeah, I hadn't considered that.
21:15:36  <mjr__>So maybe
21:15:51  <dlmanning>They would have aleady checked out our internet to do recon
21:16:08  <mraleph1>I would not go as far as to say that people will still be writing javascript in 100 years
21:16:10  <dlmanning>So they'd have their own js vm's
21:16:16  <mraleph1>poor buggers
21:16:32  <mraleph1>well, they could just clone stuff on github
21:17:44  <groundwater>leading to the first pull-request from space
21:17:48  <dlmanning>ZORB THE DESTROYER OF WORLDS has forked your repo
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