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17:59:53  <visnup>nodeup in an hour?
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18:32:23  <cjm>hello
18:32:47  <visnup>yoyoyoo
18:32:54  <visnup>need to make some coffee
18:53:55  <visnup>anyone ever crimp cat5?
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18:55:56  <No9>visnup: yup
18:56:40  <visnup>No9: are these pinouts right? http://www.trangosys.com/support/cat5-ethernet-cable-pin-out.shtml
18:57:01  <visnup>I was under the impression it was just orange blue green brown all the way across
18:57:16  <visnup>no trickery with greenwhite and bluewhite
18:58:10  <visnup>I think I've been doing it wrong!
18:58:19  <No9>visnup that's just the standard as long as both ends are the same it doesn't matter
18:58:44  <No9>That is the norm though
18:58:44  <visnup>right, straight through cable works fine
18:58:57  <visnup>but I have one end wired to a jack I haven't opened up to see
18:59:13  <visnup>and I have degraded performance on it
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18:59:57  <visnup>which could be my lame crimping job
19:00:15  <No9>Sorry but its very likely to be a lame crimp :)
19:00:32  <visnup>well that's at least better than pulling wire through the wall again
19:00:32  <No9>You have to get the copper to the end!!
19:00:47  <visnup>yeah, I'm pretty sure I at least did that part right
19:00:54  <visnup>my straight through cable works great
19:01:20  <visnup>I practiced on that one a couple times
19:01:26  <visnup>but I think I just got the pinout wrong
19:01:37  <visnup>weirdly it works though, just with degraded throughput
19:02:41  <No9>Yup maybe one of your wires isn't crimped properly or you have broken a wire when you paired back (Ive done both :)
19:03:20  <No9>For the former look at the small end your pushing the wires to and make sure you can see them all
19:03:40  <visnup>right
19:03:45  <cjm>we will be a little late as usual
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19:04:18  <No9>for the latter cut back a bit further on the next attempt to make sure your not dealing with damaged wire and careful on the pearing
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19:05:15  <_rockbot_>Hey, has the podcast started yet? Mixlr says NodeUp is offline...?
19:05:44  <visnup>_rockbot_: still waiting
19:05:57  <_rockbot_>Ok, cool. Thanks :-)
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19:07:40  <ccowan>Anyone know the topic this week?
19:07:45  <visnup>nodeconf summercamp!
19:07:59  <visnup>pre-show
19:08:05  <No9>and phone in!!
19:08:09  <visnup>nodeconf summercamp starts sep 4
19:08:12  <ccowan>ah... right... I knew that
19:08:15  <visnup>oh yeah
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19:08:31  <benatkin>hi everyone
19:08:36  <visnup>benatkin: yo
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19:08:49  <benatkin>visnup: nice meeting you at NodeConf :)
19:08:56  <visnup>benatkin: totes
19:09:19  <No9>Did anyone see the funconf guys at mass this weekend?
19:09:23  <visnup>call in using skype
19:09:33  <visnup>I think
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19:10:01  <ccowan>visnup: yup... you just need to email dshaw with your skype id
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19:11:52  <No9>Spot the noders getting ready to throw it down Aran Isles style http://instagram.com/p/PB1oU-gMw0/
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19:12:17  <visnup>nice
19:13:11  <No9>Don't think it was a full day of worship though as here is a morning after http://instagram.com/p/PEZQKpgM4L/
19:13:44  <benatkin>yo no tengo headphones :/
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19:18:48  <alexi>Voxer should build something this :) You know group call + public feed
19:18:51  <No9>Hey cianclarke you managed to get away from the barbi I see
19:19:00  <cianclarke>..t'was tough :-)
19:19:36  <cianclarke>(Hi Anton!)
19:19:47  <No9>Hey
19:20:00  <No9>You up on Tuesday?
19:20:10  <No9>DublinJS
19:20:27  <cianclarke>..spent 10 mins on irccloud trying to figure why there was radio silence in #nodeup.. Turned out the client hanged...
19:20:32  <cianclarke>Nah - out of the country :(
19:21:14  <No9>:( Not long for nodedublin anyhoo
19:21:19  <cjm>max, dshaw, and substack are all in the same location so some crazy audio setup is going on right now -- will be live soon!
19:21:49  <cianclarke>Have you tried duct tape? :-)
19:25:32  <jose_e>will we see you there on tuesday No9 ?
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19:26:08  <No9>sure will jose_e didn't know if it was you or not workday posse are coming down too
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19:26:50  <jose_e>cool
19:27:04  <No9>Need to sort out some amworks space too
19:27:25  <jose_e>is this for tmw or for the long term?
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19:27:44  <No9>Long term got something else sorted for tomorrow
19:27:51  <dshaw_>Intro music by the substack!
19:28:05  <jose_e>great stuff
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19:29:08  <cjm>:)
19:29:32  <substack>source code for the music https://gist.github.com/3595201
19:29:47  <_rockbot__>Has it started? Still not hearing anything on mixlr :-/
19:29:54  <maxogden>yea just started
19:30:29  <visnup>is mixlr working for peeps?
19:30:39  <sentientwaffle>visnup: yes
19:30:39  <jose_e>yup, it is
19:30:45  <ccowan>working for me...
19:30:48  <mrdnk>yes, did a refresh
19:30:57  <nrn_>refreshed
19:31:00  <nrn_>and it's good
19:31:46  <_rockbot__>Yep, just needed to refresh :-)
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19:32:59  <mrdnk>The classic off and on again. Always works.
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19:36:47  <mrdnk>Need more tutorials on domains. docs.nodejitsu.com would be good place. hint hint.
19:41:37  <mrdnk>dshaw_ totally on the money with that comment.
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19:44:42  <cjm>hey owen1
19:44:56  <owen1>hi cjm
19:44:59  <owen1>do i know u?
19:45:25  <owen1>i just joined. the topic is streams?
19:46:07  <cjm>summer camp overview/preview and then listener calls-ins
19:46:14  <mrdnk>talking about steams is the big thing at the moment, and for summer camp
19:47:15  <substack>https://github.com/substack/stream-handbook
19:48:01  <substack>https://github.com/substack/baudio
19:49:21  <mrdnk>is gone quite!
19:49:28  <nrn_>Yeah
19:49:31  <ccowan>I just refreshed
19:49:35  <cianclarke>Audio drop for anybody else?
19:49:37  <cianclarke>Yep, had to refresh..
19:49:38  <ccowan>yup
19:50:59  <owen1>connect is what's wrong
19:51:13  <owen1>according to mikeal
19:51:29  <cianclarke>Is that the argument against middleware?
19:51:41  <cianclarke>..like, isn't that what the big deal is? Events, not middleware...
19:52:29  <owen1>some people believe that there is no need for middleware in js
19:52:47  <owen1>you can simple add functionality before you hit your route.
19:53:51  <owen1>guys, please give example of using middleware and another example that refactor it with simple function instead.
19:54:27  <substack>not
19:54:38  <owen1>explain why not. with some code..
19:54:40  <substack>https://github.com/substack/oppressor
19:54:47  <substack>and https://github.com/substack/response-stream
19:54:50  <ccowan>it's awesome when you don't have time to write everything yourself.
19:55:04  <substack>you can pass req explicitly and pipe the responses
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19:55:53  <owen1>substackians
19:55:59  <visnup>mikealians
19:56:01  <maxogden>visionmediants
19:56:40  <owen1>can u define a middleware?
19:56:51  <owen1>is it the same as rack?
19:56:53  <owen1>(in ruby)
19:56:54  <substack>(req, res, next)
19:56:58  <visnup>owen1: yes
19:58:33  <owen1>(req, res, next) so next is a function that is called explicitly whenever i feel like?
19:58:53  <substack>next() goes to the next middleware
19:59:16  <mrdnk>php isn't fun.
20:00:55  <owen1>we need more examples of un-rails style apps
20:01:00  <owen1>real code samples
20:01:03  <ccowan>agreed
20:01:26  <owen1>the same as how to replace middleware with non-middleware
20:01:28  <substack>https://github.com/substack/airport-cluster-example
20:01:32  <nrn_>https://github.com/isaacs/npm-www
20:01:32  <substack>is one
20:01:40  <substack>yeah npm-www is good too
20:02:00  <owen1>substack: example for non-middleware + non-rails style?
20:02:59  <ccowan>It's interesting the distain towards rails-like web development.
20:03:20  <owen1>ccowan: i think the idea is to stick to smallish apps that can talk to each other
20:04:50  <ccowan>I guess it depends on what you're doing. If your just reading data from a DB and rendering HTML then express (rails like implimentation) isn't very horrible.
20:04:55  <mrdnk>Cakes and biscuits, not cookies, biscuits. Clotted cream is great.
20:04:56  <substack>ccowan: rails is the quintessential big app
20:05:05  <substack>big apps bad, small apps good
20:05:25  <ccowan>I see Express to be more like sinatra
20:05:29  <owen1>true
20:05:41  <mrdnk>Lots of small apps that talk to each - events and streams
20:05:51  <ccowan>but you can go crazy and build it up to be a rails like monolith
20:06:17  <substack>BOATS
20:06:26  <owen1>ccowan: but some people prefer to use node.js without web framework, that's what https://github.com/isaacs/npm-www is doing
20:06:46  <cjm>if you're planning to call in PM me
20:06:58  <cianclarke>Going to have to take a better look at npm-www!
20:07:13  <ccowan>yeah... but then look at that and you will see that it's almost a framework of it's own.
20:07:17  <mrdnk>http://pastrydreams.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/clotted-cream.jpg
20:07:21  <owen1>cianclarke: yeah. i think it will be great to fork it and document the hell out of it
20:07:34  <owen1>i already cloned it but didn't have the time to dive in
20:07:50  <cianclarke>..likewise! Moved closer to the top of 'the list'!
20:07:54  <ryanj>anyone aware of any spots left for nodecamp?
20:09:16  <nrn_>lol
20:09:23  <paulbjensen_>__tumbleweed__
20:09:26  <cianclarke>All alone… :D
20:09:29  <ryanj>wooo!
20:09:32  <mrdnk>Private npm modules would be great. All the advantages of npm over git
20:09:44  <cianclarke>^ dis
20:10:00  <owen1>is nodecamp going to be recorded (audio/video)?
20:10:11  <visnup>owen1: I doubt it
20:11:49  <cjm>we have a few more slots for call-ins! pm me if you want one
20:12:22  <dshaw_>\o/
20:12:50  <mrdnk>and silence falls.
20:13:02  <cjm>silence?
20:13:09  <No9>People are already squatting on npm
20:13:17  <owen1>cjm: i haave a question about the future of express
20:13:32  <owen1>cjm: is it going to get rid of the concept of middleware?
20:14:05  <owen1>also, is it easy to use middleware without express?
20:14:34  <cjm>ok pm me your skype handle
20:14:35  <owen1>and is it easy to take middleware and convert it into a function and just use it in my non-express site?
20:14:49  <owen1>cjm: are they all good questions to ask?
20:14:59  <mrdnk>ok now, just refreshed.
20:15:22  <cjm>yea i passed them to the hosts and they said sure
20:16:55  <maxogden>i dont think we know the answer to the express middleware question
20:17:02  <maxogden>tj would know
20:17:14  <substack>owen1: just pass the (req, res, next)
20:17:31  <substack>and just write a next function if the middleware even uses next
20:17:47  <substack>a lot of modules detect the presence of next and don't call it if it wasn't specified
20:18:23  <owen1>substack: so just copy past the function from the middleware, put it into my code, and pass it as third argument to my route?
20:19:20  <cianclarke>..Woah - shouldn't it shrink map the version numbers, rather than checking in the full modiules?
20:19:33  <cianclarke>*shrink wrap..
20:19:34  <substack>owen1: or usually you can pick off the middlewares directly via require()
20:19:37  <substack>but yes do that
20:20:33  <mrdnk>w00t calls
20:20:49  <substack>LEND YOUR VOICE
20:20:56  <substack>SHOUT AT US
20:21:22  <substack>WITH YOUR FLOPPY VOCAL ORGANS
20:22:18  <cjm>mdrnk are you going to call in? :)
20:22:27  <cjm>mrdnk*
20:22:41  <benatkin>maxogden: yeah, everyone here uses Tako :)
20:23:02  <mrdnk>nope, no questions at the moment.
20:23:35  <cjm>ok :) - need 1-2 more callers, discuss anything you want.
20:24:08  <mrdnk>I'm going to work full-time on node for 2 weeks starting tomorrow - so looking forward to it
20:24:47  <No9>FAIL
20:25:32  <owen1>testing!
20:25:53  <substack>use tap
20:26:15  <substack>tap is the best
20:26:28  <benatkin>the best testing tool for postgresql is also the best testing tool for JavaScript :)
20:26:42  <ryanj>Know someone with a pass to nodecamp that can't make it? Let me know! I'm interested in going
20:26:43  <ryanj>(not a great question for time-shifted listeners)
20:27:18  <benatkin>ryanj: good luck!
20:27:18  <owen1>can u use assert with async jt?
20:27:20  <owen1>js?
20:27:40  <mrdnk>i like so far nodeunit, simple assert module, with some little features for async
20:27:56  <owen1>tim caswell wrote a 12 lines code that he uses for test async code.
20:27:57  <mrdnk>and reporting
20:28:08  <owen1>well said Mr caller!
20:28:19  <owen1>please send us some code with this approach!
20:28:23  <benatkin>owen1: yes. anything sync can be made to work with async.
20:28:27  <cianclarke>https://gist.github.com/cc106e131f7b9046963b
20:28:34  <ccowan>or just a solid tutorial
20:28:46  <paulbjensen_>thoughts on cucumber.js
20:28:59  <No9>My favourite client javascript framework at the moment http://vanilla-js.com/
20:29:10  <owen1>ccowan: +100
20:29:34  <cjm>paulbjensen_ want to call in?
20:29:46  <owen1>simialr to substack's guide about streaming. we should start one for testing with no frameworks
20:29:54  <owen1>with real examples of async code.
20:30:44  <paulbjensen_>@cjm no thanks, was offering it up for discussion
20:30:56  <owen1>so here is what we need: solid tutorial for creating small web apps that talk to each other with no frameworks
20:30:57  <cjm>ok :)
20:31:08  <owen1>and solid tutorail for testing different things with no frameworks
20:31:09  <mrdnk>What's being talked about sounds like nodeunit - very simple
20:31:34  <ccowan>owen1: the hardest part is getting everyone to agree on what that is
20:31:38  <owen1>yes. educate us!
20:32:02  <owen1>ccowan: tap tutorial + examples would be nice too
20:32:28  <mrdnk>owen1 +1
20:32:35  <owen1>i want to follow the guy that called.
20:32:45  <owen1>dude, what's your github/twitter
20:32:50  <maxogden>cian clarke is his name
20:33:02  <owen1>i want simple life. tim caswell/substack approach to live
20:33:05  <owen1>life
20:33:13  <ccowan>I'm at the point with testing that I'm frustrated with the framework I chose... and looking at the other I'm probalby goign to go with just asserts+async and just javascript.
20:33:37  <owen1>ccowan: async the library?
20:33:42  <ccowan>yeah
20:34:02  <ccowan>similar to what they are disucssing
20:34:48  <owen1>who is the speaker? the callbackhell guy?
20:35:00  <owen1>and using browserify
20:35:19  <maxogden>me
20:36:46  <cjm>anyone esle want to call in, last chance!
20:36:54  <cjm>pm me if you do
20:37:01  <owen1>guys, i am starting two github projects: no framework websites and no framework tests
20:37:08  <ccowan>substack: Do you have a streams example for the typical web page request?
20:37:16  <owen1>anyone here is interested in contributing?
20:37:21  <mrdnk>banjo-camp
20:38:11  <cianclarke>Wow, i never got past the first bar of deliverance..!
20:38:12  <owen1>wow
20:38:13  <visnup>dshaw_: has a summercamp ticket!
20:38:14  <cianclarke>fair play :-)
20:38:20  <ryanj>o.0
20:38:23  <substack>banjo contest for the ticket
20:38:48  <cianclarke>..can I refer to the tab? :P
20:38:56  <ryanj>skype: ryanjarvinen
20:39:05  <No9>Surely you have to but cian a plane ticket?
20:39:23  <cianclarke>..for tomorrow. Man, that'd be expensive…!
20:39:33  <cianclarke>..from Ireland. :P
20:40:17  <No9>Don;t fancy being a pillow for the fun conf guys http://instagram.com/p/PEZQKpgM4L/
20:40:20  <ryanj>who do I call?
20:40:27  <mrdnk>node-banjo has to be substacks next module.
20:40:39  <substack>ryanj: pm cjm
20:40:40  <cjm>acccept my request
20:40:44  <substack>oh there you go
20:41:03  <ccowan>substack: I might have to make metronome.js with your library.
20:41:11  <cianclarke>ps just checked flights only €1400…
20:41:23  <cianclarke>Ok - maybe summerbanjoconf is out, hehe
20:45:24  <dshaw_>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82PFSD5IMjI
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20:50:55  <ryanj>woo!!
20:51:44  <visnup>gonna crimp some more ethernet
20:51:45  <cjm>thanks all for listening
20:51:46  <visnup>wooo
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20:54:36  <owen1>u welcome
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