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13:11:43  <pdoran_>anyone know what time the show today will be live? I'd like to finally try and catch a show live vs a few days later in podcast form
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16:09:54  <pdoran_>anyone know if the show tonight will be live/what time?
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16:50:15  <isaacs>12 noon pacific time
16:50:22  <isaacs>(in 2 hours and 11 minutes)
16:50:29  <chapel>I might have to listen
16:50:37  <chapel>on sundays Im busy when you guys tape
16:51:58  <pdoran_>sweet
16:52:05  <pdoran_>thats right after the training i am giving
16:52:18  <pdoran_>i better make sure it doesn't run long so i can catch the whole show ;0
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18:12:49  <yawnt>ohai
18:14:09  <cjm>hey
18:14:16  <yawnt>sup
18:14:45  <cjm>not too much, you?
18:15:25  <yawnt>waiting for nodeup
18:15:29  <yawnt>:D
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18:15:46  <cjm>:)
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18:36:32  <totallymike>damn; groovy porno programming music is stopped
18:37:11  <totallymike>this is an acceptible alternative
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18:53:59  <SubStack>:/
18:54:10  <SubStack>cjm: you just called me but when I clicked the button it hung up >_<
18:54:18  <SubStack>fucking skype
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18:55:29  <yawnt>you guys should move outta skype
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18:56:19  <SubStack>cjm: I restarted it now try maybe?
18:56:44  <SubStack>also I hate how when somebody calls the ability to pick up goes away after a short duration
18:56:57  <SubStack>nope it's doing the same bullshit as before >_<
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18:58:03  <SubStack>it just hangs up right away
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18:59:28  <SubStack>beh I hate technology
19:00:49  <SubStack>cjm: seems futile
19:01:17  <cjm>did you update?
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19:03:23  <SubStack>update what?
19:03:53  <cjm>i just mean, have you updated skype or anything?
19:04:09  <chapel>I like mumble for podcasting
19:04:13  <chapel>great audio quality
19:04:20  <chapel>has built in server recording
19:04:28  <chapel>on a per user basis as well
19:04:37  <totallymike>T+3 minutes is probably the wrong time to switch techs ;)
19:04:49  <japj>time for webrtc to get some more traction
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19:06:08  <SubStack>cjm: I updated ubuntu, that probably messed up skype
19:06:10  <chapel>totallymike: of course, just saying
19:06:39  <cjm>bah :(
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19:07:21  <SubStack>you could try calling again, I just ran the dpkg thing again for skype
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19:07:58  <SubStack>nope
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19:09:02  <SubStack>hmmm it didn't do the hangup sound
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19:09:55  <SubStack>can't hear anything though
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19:10:06  <totallymike>I do have to admit, mumble seems like an attractive option
19:10:34  <totallymike>as a listener who has absolutely no connection to nodeup nor any experience in podcasting whatsoever
19:10:52  <totallymike>nice doc page though
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19:11:12  <hellopat>hi noders
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19:11:25  <japj>lol
19:11:40  <japj>substack recompiling his linux kernel for nodeup ;)
19:12:12  <chapel>totallymike: Ive used it for podcasting, it is nice, if you set it up right
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19:13:23  <guybrush>wah im too late
19:13:59  <japj>that's what you get wanting to be a pirate
19:14:03  <guybrush>so everyone is talking about their fav modules?
19:14:09  <guybrush>haha
19:14:17  <hellopat>can you guys stop talking for a few minutes? I have to piss.
19:16:07  <mjr_>isaacs: all of our SmartOS images came with jsontool in /usr/bin/json
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19:16:15  <isaacs>mjr_: sweet :)
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19:18:09  <mjr_>Controversially, I don't actually believe in unit tests.
19:18:24  <SubStack>heretic
19:18:28  <mjr_>I know
19:18:44  <isaacs>mjr_: unit tests are only as good as the unit
19:18:50  <japj>mjr_: you do system tests?
19:18:56  <SubStack>well I just like things with tests in them
19:19:11  <guybrush>unit tests give you better sleep
19:19:13  <SubStack>I don't really care about made-up terminology for what type of test something is
19:19:16  <mjr_>I favor functional tests that do orchestration of multiple processes.
19:19:50  <totallymike>sounding better now
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19:21:51  <benatkin>mkdirp is a great module
19:22:18  <SubStack>boring module
19:22:58  <SubStack>you could just as well spawn('mkdir', ['-p',dir]) to do the same thing
19:23:21  <alvynmcq>i can't hear the sow for some reason
19:23:27  <totallymike>sure thing Grumplestiltskin
19:23:30  <japj>SubStack: mkdir -p doesnt work on windows
19:23:50  <benatkin>substack: but then you would have to worry about CLI injection
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19:24:18  <benatkin>er, I mean SubStack. I suck at IRC
19:24:36  <hellopat>good blog post on streams: http://maxogden.com/node-streams
19:24:59  <SubStack>not with spawn, it handles all the metacharacters
19:25:30  <benatkin>that's right, it does
19:25:30  <SubStack>by not handling them at all and just populating the argv array given to whatever syscall happens internally
19:27:03  <mjr_>I would actually like to rub some streams all over my program.
19:27:13  <pdoran_>rub it all over my program, its puts the stream on the skin or else it gets the block again
19:28:07  <mjr_>Someone needs to buy Max a proper internet connection, the kind with wires.
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19:29:32  <benatkin>shimtastic :)
19:31:55  <benatkin>follow
19:32:23  <benatkin>YAY!
19:33:14  <fibric>at&t ?
19:34:32  <Raynos>why no warnings ._.
19:34:35  <Raynos>I missed like x minutes
19:34:55  <cjm>x = 24
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19:36:36  <dstrek>If I already live in Sydney where would I go?
19:40:04  <Raynos>underscore :(
19:40:17  <nucleoci1e>_ :)
19:40:36  <benatkin>there's caolan's async
19:40:42  <SubStack>npm install deep-equal :p
19:40:46  <Raynos>o/
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19:40:49  <Raynos>deep-equal ftw
19:40:52  <Raynos>npm install isObject
19:41:00  <Raynos>quick deploy isObject to npm
19:41:28  <nucleoci1e>how could anyone not love underscore?
19:41:42  <SubStack>there's already robb
19:41:45  <SubStack>for checking types
19:42:11  <fibric>_ == trying to fix javascript and let it act like ruby ;-)
19:42:34  <benatkin>what about backbone.js ?
19:42:50  <SubStack>oh goodness mocha >_<
19:43:10  <fibric>isaac <3 coffee-script ;-)
19:43:13  <Raynos>mocha!
19:43:22  <SubStack>just stating for the record, mocha is the biggest pile of shit
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19:43:28  <benatkin>anyone try redback?
19:43:46  <pickels>What's wrong with mocha?
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19:44:04  <Raynos>SubStack: </3
19:44:28  <Raynos>where does it show who's in the feed atm ?
19:44:32  <SubStack>pickels: it doesn't focus at all
19:44:45  <SubStack>it tries to be every test harness format ever and it sucks at everything
19:44:55  <mjr_>mikeal: there's a "drain" event you can listen to and then shut down your client from there.
19:45:01  <Raynos>SubStack: recommend better test thing. Don't say node
19:45:05  <SubStack>tap
19:45:16  <SubStack>I was going to talk about tap but I couldn't get skype working
19:45:20  <mikeal>mjr_: will it reopen if i've closed it?
19:45:24  <mikeal>when i do another call?
19:45:26  <totallymike>assert works fine, I think.
19:45:26  <fibric>leveldb needs some love from node users
19:45:38  <SubStack>Raynos: https://github.com/isaacs/node-tap
19:45:47  <Raynos>I forgot about tap
19:45:56  <Raynos>SubStack: your not on the feed ;_;
19:45:56  <mjr_>mikeal: oh, not it won't re-open once you close. But you can at least listen for drain and that way you know your test is over.
19:46:02  <Raynos>who has the voice that sounds like substack?
19:46:05  <benatkin>tap doesn't have a Landing Strip reporter, though
19:46:45  <SubStack>what is that
19:47:44  <benatkin>"The Landing Strip reporter is a gimmicky test reporter simulating a plane landing :) unicode ftw"
19:50:42  <SubStack>ads >_<
19:52:09  <Raynos>do it
19:52:19  <Raynos>service for marriage is useful
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19:52:57  <benatkin>scrut
19:54:52  <japj>isaacs: and gyp is used by v8
19:55:05  <nucleoci1e>https://github.com/TooTallNate/node-gyp
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19:55:35  <benatkin>https://github.com/chjj/marked
19:55:51  <pickels>who's speaking atm?
19:55:57  <fibric>isaac
19:56:09  <Raynos>SubStack: node-tap source is a pain to read ¬_¬
19:56:14  <SubStack>who cares
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19:56:21  <chapel>don't read this!
19:56:26  <chapel>isaacs: I love you
19:56:26  <maxogden>OH THERES A CHATROOM
19:56:31  <pickels>seems isaac gets confused when you say his name
19:56:31  <maxogden>isaacs: hey
19:56:38  <SubStack>oh hey isaacs
19:56:40  <chapel>benchmarks are evil
19:56:44  <benatkin>isaacs: sup
19:56:49  <chapel>isaacs: mention benchmarks are evil
19:56:52  <guybrush>with https://github.com/jgm/pandoc you can create beautifull pdf and even docbook from marked
19:57:17  <SubStack>maxogden: you should totes talk about JSONStream for me
19:57:39  <maxogden>SubStack: will do
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19:58:25  <benatkin>returns anything, I'm guessing - not necessarily functions
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20:00:00  <SubStack>was going to talk about event-stream and tap too
20:01:27  <guybrush>http://search.npmjs.org/#/mapleTree
20:01:31  <benatkin>I was trying to just now
20:01:38  <benatkin>but github is on the fritz :(
20:01:46  <benatkin>https://github.com/saambarati/mapleTree/blob/master/package.json
20:02:31  <SubStack>cool story isaacs
20:02:35  <maxogden>lol
20:02:50  <nucleoci1e>must have renamed his github repo at some point?
20:02:50  <benatkin>https://github.com/saambarati/mapleTree/pull/1 - worked the second time :)
20:04:28  <benatkin>nucleoci1e: I think so. github doesn't have a global namespace, so people can give their repos overly short names
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20:06:25  <chapel>SubStack: is great at that
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20:06:45  <chapel>he gets infected with ideas, and has to make them
20:07:05  <SubStack>check this:
20:07:17  <SubStack>es.duplex(writeStream, readStream)
20:07:28  <SubStack>returns a readable writable stream
20:07:35  <SubStack>event stream is awesome
20:07:51  <maxogden>whoa
20:08:17  <SubStack>es.map() is pretty great too
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20:08:27  <fibric>stream manipulation... that sounds like we need tests to deal with such manipulations ;-)
20:09:03  <SubStack>isaacs: post-hoc
20:09:25  <SubStack>the testling api was influenced heavily by tap
20:10:02  <Raynos>talking of code coverage
20:10:08  <Raynos>has anyone written anything for it that isnt an alpha?
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20:11:44  <SubStack>or on top of airport which is on top of upnode and seaport
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20:11:51  <benatkin>clojurescript!
20:11:55  <SubStack>which are themselves both on top of dnode and upnode and dnode respectively
20:11:56  <Raynos>event stream looks really awesome :)
20:12:13  <SubStack>it is indeed!
20:12:16  <benatkin>coco
20:12:20  <benatkin>HaXe
20:13:28  <fibric>yeah we do coffee to kill ; !!!
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20:15:11  <SubStack>s/production/concert/
20:16:31  <benatkin>nice https://github.com/chjj/marked/blob/master/lib/marked.js
20:16:34  <pickels>You can use imagemagick with the gm libary.
20:17:01  <guybrush>https://github.com/aheckmann/gm
20:17:13  <guybrush>gm uses graphicsmagick
20:17:41  <guybrush>graphicsmagick is a little bit faster from my experience with image/graphics-magick with php
20:17:59  <guybrush>and the gm-module is super-nice :D
20:18:46  <Raynos>did they already talk about templates?
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20:19:51  <benatkin>Raynos: not that I remember. Closest things were markdown rendering and json stream processing.
20:20:43  <benatkin>jade is indent-based and pretty flexible in how you indent it
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20:21:44  <guybrush>you can write html in jade :D
20:21:50  <benatkin>https://github.com/bminer/node-blade is interesting to me
20:21:54  <guybrush>or markdown
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20:22:50  <benatkin>syntax highlighting ^_^
20:24:23  <SubStack>registry.npmjs.org/-/starred-by-user/substack
20:24:27  <SubStack>http://registry.npmjs.org/-/starred-by-user/substack
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20:24:40  <guybrush>niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
20:24:47  <isaacs>http://registry.npmjs.org/-/starred-by-user/dshaw
20:25:19  <SubStack>ads >_<
20:25:22  <mjr_>maxogden: arbitrage opportunity
20:25:31  <mjr_>SubStack, I'll cut you in for 50%
20:25:36  <Raynos>SubStack: why no add blocker?
20:26:37  <dshaw_>WHY YOU NO LIKE? http://registry.npmjs.org/-/starred-by-user/mikeal
20:26:43  <benatkin>plenty node.js coders consume json!
20:26:46  <SubStack>mjr_: I missed the context on account of ads
20:27:18  <mikeal>dshaw_: i'm going to star some stuff just for you. they will ALL be test frameworks
20:27:41  <guybrush>well stars from authors with lots of stars are more worth
20:27:41  <Raynos>mikeal: do it :D
20:27:42  <dshaw_>bwahahaha
20:27:57  <benatkin>CoffeeScript test frameworks :p
20:29:15  <dshaw_>Starring node modules, the new poopin!
20:29:19  <SubStack>my starred list counts are { isaacs : 3, dominictarr : 2, mikeal : 2 }
20:29:26  <SubStack>others at 1
20:29:59  <thomashunter>salsa, so that is what those dots are
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20:30:32  <mjr_>tacoconf site makes my fans run
20:30:37  <mjr_>If you know what I mean.
20:30:51  <SubStack>nodeup taco afterparty
20:30:55  <SubStack>who's in?
20:31:13  <thomashunter>will there be taco's?
20:31:17  <SubStack>indeed
20:31:27  <benatkin>~1000mi east :(
20:32:38  <benatkin>indie web conf too!
20:32:43  <benatkin>er, indie web camp
20:32:53  <Raynos>dead
20:33:06  <Raynos>back up
20:33:52  <SubStack>ecstatic!
20:33:52  <mikeal>MODULES!
20:34:02  <fibric>grunt
20:34:11  <SubStack>stallman is fine
20:34:15  <thomashunter>I'm just starting with a module called 'wireless', which handles wireless network stuff
20:34:26  <thomashunter>so, if a network appears, an event happens, etc.
20:34:34  <Raynos>templates that are not jade, ejs or mustache (because all those suck)
20:34:35  <chapel>isaacs: whats wrong with benchmarks?
20:34:38  <SubStack>reports of his death were greatly exagerated
20:35:04  <thomashunter>I'll control robots with it :D
20:35:05  <benatkin>this one's pretty cool https://github.com/jaredhanson/passport
20:35:11  <SubStack>http://github.com/jesusabdullah/node-ecstatic <-- handy
20:35:15  <thomashunter>https://github.com/tlhunter/node-wireless
20:35:54  <SubStack>connect-static is a bucket of fail
20:35:59  <benatkin>it uses quite a few modules now
20:36:02  <pickels>http://momentjs.com/ for pretty dates
20:36:16  <benatkin>it has logging with colors for debugging
20:37:12  <SubStack>https://github.com/isaacs/node-semver is also great if you need to version things
20:38:39  <Raynos>yeah voice is broken
20:40:05  <SubStack>grep temp /usr/share/dict/words
20:40:05  <Raynos>isaacs wrote a template library called templar :o
20:40:15  <benatkin>and starred it
20:40:19  <SubStack>tempest
20:40:25  <Raynos>substack/tempest ?
20:40:29  <benatkin>he hasn't starred all his other modules though
20:40:29  <SubStack>extemporaneous
20:40:58  <SubStack>contemplate
20:41:34  <SubStack>exemplar!
20:42:34  <pickels>mold!
20:42:45  <benatkin>temptation
20:43:06  <benatkin>http://search.npmjs.org/#/tempt
20:43:10  <pickels>templation Island
20:43:29  <SubStack>streams are the future
20:43:51  <Raynos>(req, res) o/
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20:44:45  <benatkin>connect came before express, right?
20:45:59  <benatkin>just name it http://search.npmjs.org/#/knight
20:46:06  <SubStack>node-hezbollah
20:46:12  <SubStack>node-ira
20:46:35  <SubStack>fibers are the hezbollah of node
20:47:13  <benatkin>north korean
20:47:48  <SubStack>TACOS
20:47:58  <Raynos>i wanted to hear isaacs or whomever was speaking be sexist :(
20:48:07  <isaacs>Raynos: my point was that sexism is played out.
20:48:14  <maxogden>and i was trolling
20:48:26  <benatkin>node-tacos ;)
20:48:28  <Raynos>I know, I just wanted to hear you be sexist because it would be funny.
20:48:31  <dshaw_>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/51/Fonzie_jumps_the_shark.PNG/220px-Fonzie_jumps_the_shark.PNG
20:49:06  <isaacs>Big shout-out to http://vom.com
20:49:19  <benatkin>to go along with npm top we should have a utility to find who the top npm squatters are :)
20:49:23  <SubStack>isaacs, maxogden, mikeal: tacos mi rancho?
20:49:29  <isaacs>SubStack: yes.
20:49:29  <mjr_>Wow, hotbot.
20:49:52  <fibric>vom need a web designer who does for what he gets paid >_<
20:49:57  <SubStack>and/or other nodeup listeners in proximity to the east bay
20:50:19  <isaacs>mjr_: will you help SAVE our School Sports?
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20:50:36  <dshaw_>mjr_: hotbot's got a new design.
20:51:03  <isaacs>omg, i seriously wanna do a full-on sponsor spot for vom.com
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20:51:08  <mikeal>which one is tacos mi rancho?
20:51:12  <isaacs>All V.90/56K Modem Lines
20:51:13  <isaacs>All accounts include 3 email accounts and personal web page storage
20:51:13  <isaacs>$19.95 per month or $53.85 for 3 months or $95.70 for 6 months
20:51:16  <dshaw_>And no results. http://www.hotbot.com/search/?category=&keyword=dshaw
20:51:20  <benatkin>http://hotbot.com/search/?category=&keyword=lolz
20:51:20  <Raynos>who's vom ?
20:51:22  <isaacs>mikeal: the truck at the SE corner of the lake
20:51:22  <mjr_>I remember seeing the like 6 computers that made hotbot work, back on a shelf in the Wired offices.
20:51:35  <mjr_>6 computers was all it took to index the entire web.
20:51:51  <dshaw_>Did you mean "http://hotbot.com/search/?keyword=Digimon+Hentia"?
20:52:04  <mikeal>i think i'm gonna order some thai food
20:52:20  <benatkin>dshaw_: might it be worse than cuil?
20:53:00  <dshaw_>benatkin: cuil's worse
20:53:02  <Raynos>what's the point of hotbot / vom
20:53:02  <dshaw_>was
20:53:09  <Raynos>they just look like broken websites
20:53:25  <dshaw_>apparently, it's no longer on the internet.
20:53:31  <mjr_>The point is that it is a website from 10 years ago that is somehow still up.
20:53:53  <dshaw_>mjr_: wow.
20:55:00  <fibric>10 yrs ago website had flash
20:55:18  <fibric>vom looks like they stopped updating when yahoo appeared on the net
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21:00:45  <fibric>isaac do you remember foohack? ;-)
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21:04:55  <isaacs>fibric: only vaguely
21:05:08  <isaacs>as a tree that was large as a child, and now looks so small, though surely it has grown.
21:06:35  <fibric>it was the blog post which opened my eyes about dependency management... the beginning of leaving java... and today i couldnt understand that i've read your somehow looking page ;-)
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