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19:01:35  <guybrush>derby.js would be cool :D (even if its coffee :p)
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19:22:05  <maxogden>WOO
19:22:19  <maxogden>HTTPS://GATHER.AT HEXAGONAL FUTUREEEEE
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19:27:57  <guybrush>ha! it uses the tld from the country im livin in! awesome
19:28:40  <guybrush>maxogden: i really like the logo
19:29:55  <wankdanker_>HTML6? Wow.
19:30:12  <maxogden>yea its next level software
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19:31:10  <wankdanker_>awesome!
19:36:55  <dscape>man i forgot about this
19:36:59  <dscape>fuuuuu #fail
19:37:34  <dscape>mikeal: does tako use fibers? #trollface
19:37:50  <mikeal>FUCK YOU NUNO!
19:37:53  <mikeal>:P
19:38:01  <maxogden>lol
19:38:07  <dscape>ahah :)
19:38:15  <cjm>lol
19:38:20  <maxogden>DEVELOPERS WANT FULL STACK AND DONT CARE ABOUT STREAMS
19:38:42  <maxogden>BACKPRESSURE IS AN EDGE CASE
19:38:47  <maxogden>SYNCHRONOUS CODE IS MORE READABLE
19:38:52  <dscape>meteorjs is the most stupid thing i have ever seen with these two eyes
19:39:08  <guybrush>but connect does not force you to use some connect-database-middleware
19:39:42  <guybrush>thank you for bringing derby in
19:39:44  <guybrush>:7
19:42:02  <dscape>http://latherrinserepeat.org/post/21155362693
19:43:36  <dscape>uhhhhhhhh
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19:47:03  <russfrank>link to what you guys are talking about please? just started listening
19:47:21  <guybrush>http://clock.co.uk/
19:47:23  <dscape>http://clock.co.uk/
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19:48:46  <dscape>http://flatironjs.org/
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19:51:32  <dscape>hij1nx: this works as a ref https://github.com/dscape/jsconf12
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19:54:18  <russfrank>sounds kinda like https://github.com/wdavidw/node-shell
19:57:34  <dscape>russfrank: director is just the routing though
20:01:27  <pickelsss>What's that that must not be named?
20:01:51  <russfrank>maybe the assert vs something.is.not.something(else) discussion?
20:01:54  <guybrush>i guess fibers :D
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20:03:14  <dscape>this is all bullshit
20:03:19  <dscape>i feel trolled
20:03:44  <russfrank>haha.
20:05:15  <hij1nx>pickelsss: ;
20:05:43  <pickelsss>aaah that
20:06:26  <dscape>is this the person talking? https://github.com/owenb :)
20:06:43  <hij1nx>i can't understand him because of his accent
20:06:53  <dscape>dude
20:06:54  <dscape>lol
20:07:09  <hij1nx>https://github.com/flatiron
20:07:19  <dscape>cjm: is this owen?
20:07:24  <hij1nx>yes
20:07:24  <cjm>yea
20:07:56  <dscape>cool
20:08:10  <hij1nx>LOL
20:08:13  <guybrush>haha
20:08:19  <russfrank>hahah
20:08:26  <hij1nx>follow party! WHATS YOUR GITHUB ID
20:08:28  <hij1nx>https://github.com/hij1nx
20:08:40  <russfrank>https://github.com/russfrank
20:08:52  <hij1nx>russfrank: followed
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20:09:49  <hij1nx>toddbranch: unfollowed
20:10:31  <russfrank>hahah
20:13:20  <dscape>no, thats not the future of dbs
20:13:25  <dscape>or ill kill myself
20:13:53  <dscape>thats the past
20:14:30  <hij1nx>nano
20:14:32  <hij1nx>already did that?
20:14:43  <dscape>nup
20:14:51  <dscape>i hate that odm/orm stuff
20:15:10  <guybrush>thats why i wanted to hear some opinions on derby.js
20:15:14  <hij1nx>you only named it `nano` because it sounds like `nuno`
20:15:20  <dscape>guybrush: no one uses it?
20:15:24  <dscape>lol
20:15:27  <guybrush>lol
20:15:47  <hij1nx>does anyone in here use derby?
20:16:04  <guybrush>i dont use it, but i am interested in how it solves problems
20:16:19  <maxogden><rimshot>
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20:16:32  <hij1nx></rimshot>
20:16:34  <dscape>guybrush: if its like everyauth
20:16:38  <dscape>it creates problems
20:16:39  <guybrush>like different strategies for conflict resolution
20:17:28  <dscape>guybrush: just create a small lib
20:17:42  <dscape>tthat uses a callback as a heuristic
20:17:44  <guybrush>just for conflict res you mean
20:17:47  <dscape>on top of pouchdb
20:17:51  <dscape>yeah
20:18:08  <guybrush>oh i see
20:18:25  <guybrush>i dont have couchdb as backend :p
20:18:30  <guybrush>but i get it
20:18:38  <dscape>pouchdb
20:18:40  <dscape>is browser
20:18:41  <dscape>:)
20:18:48  <hij1nx>http://voltdb.com/
20:18:49  <guybrush>yes but i want to sync to backend right?
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20:19:03  <guybrush>which when its no couchdb i have to do conflict-res anyway
20:20:34  <dscape>wow mde making us popular
20:20:36  <dscape>lol
20:20:52  <hij1nx>"rails douche bags"
20:21:00  <dscape>yeah lol
20:21:19  <hij1nx>negative begets negative, right?
20:21:28  <dscape>:)
20:21:36  <hij1nx>rails <3
20:21:43  <hij1nx>"i don't use it" =)
20:22:20  <russfrank>yeah they needed the packages to include that information.. what happens on the server vs what happens on the client
20:22:33  <russfrank>it was unfortunate that their idea required that
20:22:50  <hij1nx>it will be the single most critical failure
20:23:07  <dscape>meteor sounding like mongodb
20:23:12  <dscape>early days
20:23:13  <russfrank>I also don't understand why we would want access to mongo in the client..
20:23:36  <hij1nx>russfrank: i dont.
20:23:47  <hij1nx>russfrank: "i don't use it" =)
20:23:54  <dscape>russfrank: hij1nx : I also don't understand why we would want access to mongo...
20:24:04  <russfrank>hahaha
20:24:42  <hij1nx>moron or moreoff?
20:24:45  <dscape>LOL
20:24:56  <russfrank>we can accept it as a science project ;P
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20:25:12  <dscape>russfrank: like we did for mongo
20:25:25  <dscape>as owen said, from a business perspective they are smart
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20:25:27  <russfrank>lol
20:25:31  <dscape>launch vaporware
20:25:37  <dscape>something that looks like a paas
20:25:43  <dscape>have people build your shit
20:25:44  <dscape>GPL it
20:25:46  <dscape>sell it
20:25:46  <hij1nx>node.haskell
20:25:50  <maxogden>http://i.imgur.com/mY8q8.png
20:26:08  <russfrank>to hacker news
20:26:20  <hij1nx>maxogden: is that a new kind of bike lock?
20:26:32  <maxogden>hij1nx: its a bicycle parking facility
20:26:50  <russfrank>yeah, the copy seemed to imply that you could, yknow, actually build shit with it
20:26:51  <hij1nx>maxogden: how many bikes can it fit?
20:27:16  <dscape>russfrank: thats bullshit
20:27:23  <dscape>its the same strategy 10gen did
20:27:33  <dscape>hopefully less sucessful
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20:27:52  <dscape>lOL
20:28:07  <dscape>ruby on rails douchebags & mongo is a piece of shit
20:28:19  <hij1nx>questions?
20:28:21  <cjm>questions?
20:28:25  <hij1nx>questions?
20:28:26  <savadi>any performance comparison between all these frameworks?
20:28:28  <dscape>what do you guys think about coffeescript frameworks?
20:28:36  <dscape>:P
20:28:41  <maxogden>ARE NODE PEOPLE GOING TO BE VIEWED AS IN AN IVORY TOWER AND IS THAT GOING TO MAKE US LOOK LIKE DICKBAGS?
20:28:58  <russfrank>hahah.
20:29:00  <dscape>dickbags
20:29:03  <dscape>mind wonders
20:29:06  <dscape>wanders
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20:29:09  <dscape>fuck not being native
20:29:13  <guybrush>frameworks are nothing but examples how to use node nothing more
20:29:40  <dscape>bear in mind dickbags
20:29:46  <dscape>draw that
20:29:46  <maxogden>mindbears?
20:30:33  <qbit_>what is the github for getty ( sp? ) ?
20:30:50  <dscape>geddyjs
20:30:53  <dscape>not getty
20:31:04  <dscape>http://geddyjs.org/
20:31:08  <qbit_>sweet
20:31:10  <hij1nx>https://github.com/mde/geddy
20:31:18  <qbit_>thanks dscape / hij1nx
20:32:15  <dscape>say it
20:32:17  <dscape>AJAHA
20:32:22  <cjm>lol
20:32:25  <russfrank>hahahah
20:32:27  <dscape>dickbag ahah
20:32:43  <maxogden>yes
20:32:44  <dscape>max gets called dickbag on air #check
20:33:04  <maxogden>QUIT BIKESHEDDING MY GRAMMAR DAMNIT
20:33:11  <qbit_>haha
20:33:11  <hij1nx>hahahaha
20:33:12  <dscape>ahah
20:33:15  <qbit_>shoulda said it in caps!
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20:33:24  <dscape>hij1nx: you did well
20:34:35  <mrfancyenglishwo>CoffeeScript or JavaScript, which is better?
20:34:38  <pickelsss>Cool video about being condescending about other technologies: http://blip.tv/railsconf/railsconf-09-robert-martin-what-killed-smalltalk-could-kill-ruby-too-2099970
20:34:47  <hij1nx>mrfancyenglishwo: neither.
20:34:54  <qbit_>what is stud?
20:35:19  <savadi>ssl offloader
20:35:44  <maxogden>we should have a tongue-in-cheek fire warning level like http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4102/4956242458_c80ec5264f_z.jpg
20:35:53  <maxogden>but it would measure how 'purely node' a project is
20:36:26  <maxogden>WARNING: THIS PROJECT IS CATASTROPHICALLY NOT EMBRACING NODE CORE VALUES
20:38:06  <dscape>the semicolon debte?
20:38:15  <hij1nx>dscape: there isn't one
20:38:21  <dscape>yes there is;
20:38:27  <hij1nx>dscape: anyone in it is wasting their time.
20:38:37  <dscape>yeah, the internet loves that
20:38:44  <dscape>some guy in nodejs actually went like
20:38:49  <hij1nx>dscape: semi-colonic
20:38:55  <dscape>GUUUYS LOOOK ITS A FIGHT
20:38:57  <dscape>GOOOO
20:39:28  <dscape>lol
20:39:35  <cjm>lol
20:39:43  <dscape>gather.at
20:40:02  <qbit_>thanks :D
20:40:44  <savadi>out off topic : any good tutorial for debug node program using dtrace ?
20:40:57  <savadi>*debugging
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20:44:35  <hij1nx>http://www.nodeconf.com/
20:45:11  <brainss>node.ph
20:47:31  <dscape>its an awesome event
20:47:38  <dscape>which sold out a month ago :P
20:49:16  <mikeal>that was LONG
20:49:20  <mikeal>the deep dives always go long
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20:51:42  <dscape>that was a good one
20:51:45  <dscape>:)
20:52:00  <dscape>the word dickbag was uttered
20:52:08  <dscape>if it wasnt a deep dive
20:52:11  <hij1nx>mikeal brings the NPR vibe.
20:52:15  <dscape>it would probably be called dickbag max show
20:54:03  <dscape>cjm: please hook me up with owen
20:54:04  <dscape>:)
20:55:31  <mikeal>"dickbag of incompatibility"
20:55:47  <mikeal>that's the title
20:57:16  <qbit_>thanks for doing the talk bras.. was good :D
21:01:08  <owenb>hey dscape
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